Government Programs That Work

Yeah OJ public ed works really well 50% + drop out rate in New York worst performance on test of any graduating highschool students in the developed world. It's doing wonderfully. No one is arguing we should end public schools just that it should be the property of the federal government under whose mismanagement it has gotten worse very nearly every year.

Wow, maybe you should have paid more attention in you US Government class


And schools can only do so much. There are a lot of social problems that are beyond their scope to fix. A kid that has really bad parents is probably not going to do well in school. That's not the school's or government's fault, though Conservatives will still blame schools and government for it
 
If you ever need help, you'll help yourself. LOL People like you amaze me. The arrogance and ignorance behind that statement. However, we just had eight years of the kind of government that you vote for, so now we are going to have a very differant government. You see, those eight years have been a total failure. A failure abroad, a failure at home.

:clap2: Very well said!
 
And there are millions of us who are against this practice. The rich pay more taxes to programs that they don't even need/use, so that the poor who pay few or no taxes can take advantage of them. This country is in the habit of penalizing the rich for being successful and crying for the poor who never tried to succeed. Instead, we should be encouraging the poor to do better and thanking the rich for not being burdens on society.

Ah yes, the poor rich bastards. They are so penelized for working so hard. Just look at the poor CEOs of all the major companies. Such wonderful success they have shown us over the last eight years. The driving force of our economy. Making money hand over fist.

So why the hell are we bailing them out? Get real, people. The very rich that actually created wealth, such as Gates and Buffet are for increased taxes on the wealthy. Most of the rest of the corperate parasites stole there wealth from the people on the factory floor that were actually creating the wealth. Stole the wealth and then tell the people who created the wealth what a bunch of losers they are. And suckups like you stand and cheer the whole process.
 
If everyone that didn't work didn't suck the system dry, those that do work would pay fewer taxes and be able to better afford the things you mentioned.

You mean the billion that disappeared in Iraq went to our welfare system? How about the billions that was paid to Haliburton in New Orleans? Seems the primary recipients of government welfare have been rich corperations. Corperations that somehow seem to have lost all the money while paying their 'oh so deserving' CEOs tens to hundreds of millions of dollars in salaries and bonuses. In the meantime, the creators of that wealth, the men and women on the factory floor have seen their real wages stagnate, and even decline. Put the welfare blame where it really is, the very wealthy.
 
The very rich that actually created wealth, such as Gates and Buffet are for increased taxes on the wealthy. Most of the rest of the corperate parasites stole there wealth from the people on the factory floor that were actually creating the wealth. Stole the wealth and then tell the people who created the wealth what a bunch of losers they are. And suckups like you stand and cheer the whole process.

Well put, OR.

Of course there are very wealthy people who actually can claim that because of their intelligence and ambition they have contributed mightily to the commonweal, and those people deserve our respect AND their superwealth, too.

That does not describe a whole lot of the superwealthy class or the obsequious and overpaid servants that do their bidding, but it definitely does decribe enough of the superwealthy cllss for me not to call for the extermination of that class as a public menace

Most of us are just doing the best we can to play the hands we are dealt.

Some of us got dealt better hands, and some of us can play the game better than others and that's okay, too.

Just so long as we don't go haywire (with rage) and think that a radical solution (like extreme libertarianism or communism) will correct that problem once and for all because it won't.
 
Corperations that somehow seem to have lost all the money while paying their 'oh so deserving' CEOs tens to hundreds of millions of dollars in salaries and bonuses.

These corporations lost all of their money because they were lending money to people who couldn't pay it back. And trust me, I was completely against bailing those fucks out. I didn't care if the people with bad mortgages lived on the streets, and I didn't care if the big lenders went bankrupt. So, don't try that schtick with me. I have no sympathy for any of those involved in the bailouts. And remember: it was your party that voted for it first, they had to force Republicans into it. I'm disappointed that they caved, because I never would have supported it. I wrote my congressman a nice letter afterwards.
 
its always hilarious to listen to the conservatives who are always claiming to be self-reliant, self made men who pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps, and became successful all due to their own initiative and resources. Supposedly they didn't get any help from the government, the taxpayer, or from the collective efforts of our society.


You know what would happen if you took one of these conservative "super heroes" at age 18, and dropped them into Bolivia to make their way in the world? They would starve to death.

Their super hero success is, and always has been, predicated on massive public taxpayer expenditures on education, science, infrastructure, technology, law enforcement, social spending, and courts.
 
Their super hero success is, and always has been, predicated on massive public taxpayer expenditures on education, science, infrastructure, technology, law enforcement, social spending, and courts.

don't know about the superhero's success, but the programs you've mentioned have certainly supported the creditors bankrolling the whole deal
 
its always hilarious to listen to the conservatives who are always claiming to be self-reliant, self made men who pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps, and became successful all due to their own initiative and resources. Supposedly they didn't get any help from the government, the taxpayer, or from the collective efforts of our society.


You know what would happen if you took one of these conservative "super heroes" at age 18, and dropped them into Bolivia to make their way in the world? They would starve to death.

Their super hero success is, and always has been, predicated on massive public taxpayer expenditures on education, science, infrastructure, technology, law enforcement, social spending, and courts.

How dare you question the veracity of those who were born on third base and then pat themselves on the back for making it home?

Most of these people have had so many advantages in their lives that they truly do not even know that most of us have never had them.

And since many of them truly did work hard to use those advantages to get where they are today, they just naturally assume that everybody else could have done the same thing.

They understand everything about their pluck, but they don't understand their luck since they've always had it, know what I mean?
 
How dare you question the veracity of those who were born on third base and then pat themselves on the back for making it home?

Most of these people have had so many advantages in their lives that they truly do not even know that most of us have never had them.

And since many of them truly did work hard to use those advantages to get where they are today, they just naturally assume that everybody else could have done the same thing.

They understand everything about their pluck, but they don't understand their luck since they've always had it, know what I mean?




you guys are so full of crap,, and you don't even know it. You take after Howard Dean.

WEnotrich1 - Vox
 
Well put, OR.

Of course there are very wealthy people who actually can claim that because of their intelligence and ambition they have contributed mightily to the commonweal, and those people deserve our respect AND their superwealth, too.

That does not describe a whole lot of the superwealthy class or the obsequious and overpaid servants that do their bidding, but it definitely does decribe enough of the superwealthy cllss for me not to call for the extermination of that class as a public menace

Most of us are just doing the best we can to play the hands we are dealt.

Some of us got dealt better hands, and some of us can play the game better than others and that's okay, too.

Just so long as we don't go haywire (with rage) and think that a radical solution (like extreme libertarianism or communism) will correct that problem once and for all because it won't.

Well, for some a national health care program is extreme. I would just be satisfied to see our nation adopt some of the programs other nations have concerning the public health and protection of workers against those in positions of power.
 
These corporations lost all of their money because they were lending money to people who couldn't pay it back. And trust me, I was completely against bailing those fucks out. I didn't care if the people with bad mortgages lived on the streets, and I didn't care if the big lenders went bankrupt. So, don't try that schtick with me. I have no sympathy for any of those involved in the bailouts. And remember: it was your party that voted for it first, they had to force Republicans into it. I'm disappointed that they caved, because I never would have supported it. I wrote my congressman a nice letter afterwards.

Really? I didn't realize that all the corperations that are currently filing bankruptcy, or very close to it, were businesses in the lending industry.
 
Really? I didn't realize that all the corperations that are currently filing bankruptcy, or very close to it, were businesses in the lending industry.

No, but the ones that are asking for bailouts are. That's the ones you were bitching about, and that's the ones I have no sympathy for.

Red Dawn, why do you assume that everyone who is successful was born successful? I was raised by a single mother who worked three jobs. Now I make more than she made from those three salaries combined. Did I do it on government programs? No. I earned it, on my own. I continue to earn it on my own. If I can do it, there's no excuse for anyone else. We are all responsible for the choices we make, but the government is willing to take responsibility for those that make mistakes. Those of us that play by the rules and fend for ourselves, we're the ones who pay for those peoples' mistakes. Rather that person be a corporate executive who took part in tax evasion or insider trading, or it's a punk kid who was arrested a dozen times for drug crimes, I shouldn't suffer for their ignorances, nor should you. But you're willing to, I'm not.
 
No, but the ones that are asking for bailouts are. That's the ones you were bitching about, and that's the ones I have no sympathy for.

Red Dawn, why do you assume that everyone who is successful was born successful? I was raised by a single mother who worked three jobs. Now I make more than she made from those three salaries combined. Did I do it on government programs? No. I earned it, on my own. I continue to earn it on my own. If I can do it, there's no excuse for anyone else. We are all responsible for the choices we make, but the government is willing to take responsibility for those that make mistakes. Those of us that play by the rules and fend for ourselves, we're the ones who pay for those peoples' mistakes. Rather that person be a corporate executive who took part in tax evasion or insider trading, or it's a punk kid who was arrested a dozen times for drug crimes, I shouldn't suffer for their ignorances, nor should you. But you're willing to, I'm not.



They don't believe you/us because they've been taught otherwise. They've been taught that they need taking care of, that they cannot make it on their own.
 
UM no willow Obama is not a Marxist. He gives however all the appearances of a socialist. You will of course ask the obvious questioin, "What's the difference?"

And the Difference is that Socialist aren't stupid enough to believe that any government big enough and intrusive to make a decent stab at "from each according to his means to each according to his needs" is ever going to just go away.
 
One must keep in mind the GOP’s effort to demonstrate, by means of egregious misrule, that government is incapable of delivering the most basic services.

One thing we need to remember is that before Bush came along, our government actually functioned.

The military conquered the world twice in the last 100 years. Then Bush broke it.

Marshall's State Department built the postwar world, and fed and clothed the whole world, friend and enemy alike; his successors have prevented dozens of wars and conflicts. Then Bush marginalized it and made American diplomacy a joke.

The FDA, USDA and EPA protected us from unsafe food, water, air and drugs. Then Bush gutted them.

The Coast Guard and FEMA saved thousands of lives before Bush dorked them up.

The Fed and the SEC gave us a couple of trillion in prosperity and kept the markets running properly. Then Bush wrecked it all.

The VA took care of our troops. Until Bush.

Social Security took care of the elderly; Medicaid and Medicare take care of the sick.

Now they are all in jeopardy due to Reaganomics and Bush.

The CIA used to hunt terrorists. Then Bush politicized them.

Homeland Security never worked right because Bush mismanaged it from the beginning. And that was a priority project for him.

The FEC made elections fair. Then Bush politicized it.


And of course there are other parts of the government which Bush didn’t have enough time to destroy:

The FBI and DEA solved the WTC bombing is days and keep criminals and drug dealers off the street.

The post office can carry a document across the country for half a buck.

The Department of Transportation built the interstate highway system, one of the most staggering engineering projects in human history; without it we'd starve. They also keep our airports safe.

The USTR saves us billions in trade deals

The DOE gives us cheap energy and protects nuclear technology from terrorists

So let’s stop whining about "big government".



Senator Fritz Hollings told a story about a Korean War veteran who went to college on the GI Bill. He bought his house with an FHA loan. His kids were born in a VA hospital. He started a business with an SBA loan. He got water from the TVA and then from a project funded by the EPA.

The man’s children participated in the school lunch program and went to college on government-guaranteed student loans. His parents’ farm got its electricity from the REA and had its soil tested by the USDA. His father’s life was saved by a drug developed by the NIH, and the family was saved from financial ruin by Medicare.

When the man's house was damaged by floods, he drove on the interstate to an Amtrak station and took a train to Washington to apply for disaster relief.

Then one day, he got angry about taxes and federal spending and wrote a letter to his congressman demanding that the government get off his back.
 
UM no willow Obama is not a Marxist. He gives however all the appearances of a socialist. You will of course ask the obvious questioin, "What's the difference?"

And the Difference is that Socialist aren't stupid enough to believe that any government big enough and intrusive to make a decent stab at "from each according to his means to each according to his needs" is ever going to just go away.

Do a Little Research. Start with his church, and it's mission. Study Black Liberation Theology.. follow the story.
 
My nephew is a great example of government doing good. All through his school years his great teachers helped him to succeed and with the help of college aid he got through school with flying colors, went into the army for four years as an officer and is now one of the most important people in an engineering firm. He is a prime example of government doing well.

My grandmother two years ago had her hip replaced and is doing real well, thanks to medicare which took care of her, thank God! What would we have done had the government not been there to care for her in that tragic moment of need?

I have at least six family members enjoying a comfortable retirement on social security

It's six degrees below zero here today and I know there are people across America staying warm right now as I write this because government is helping them with their heating bills. Think of the misery those people would be in right now if they didn't get that help. The evil people out there that would heartlessly cut off the funding should be dragged out in the snow, stripped bare and left to die. They are just scum.

Did everyone see those rescue crews yesrterday save those people on that plane in the Hudson? Government workers they were.

Government just works

:clap2:

Ummm, they were rescued by private boats and ferries before the government got there.

My mother had 3 different insurance companies and was refused admission to the hospital 5 times before they finally admitted her. When they did it was too late. She was diagnosed with lung cancer and given 3 months to live, she was gone in 10 days.

When my parents took in a couple of Hungarians that fled Hungary when the communists took over, they were never able to get their friends into this country. My father was career Air Force and my mother worked for our civil service and they couldn't get our friends into our own country.

When my brother, after having served in the Vietnam war, wanted to bring his wife here from Thailand, the government told him that he wasn't an American citizen and therefore couldn't bring her here. Didn't matter that he was born to two American citizens on an American Air Force base in Japan, didn't matter that he'd been voting, didn't matter that he'd served this country in the Vietnam war where he met his wife, nope, he wasn't a citizen and couldn't bring her here until he became one. He and I both went down and became naturalized citizens. It took over a year and $thousands to bring his wife here and my parents still had to sponsor her.

My sister tried to bring her husband and kids here from Canada to live but even though they had $40,000 in the bank, and this was 30 years ago, they wouldn't let them in until my parents sponsored them. Her children now have passports that claim they are foreign born American citizens. She wasn't even serving in the military and her kids weren't born on any American base and their father is Canadian.

My oldest son has Asperger's Syndrome. He's been in DVR for 5 years (department of vocational rehabilitation). They were suppose to be helping him find a job but they told him he couldn't go apply on his own, not even for a temp job at Christmas. Finally after 5 years I gave up and now he's in college and getting As and so far, no help from DVR.

I signed my youngest up for DDD (department of developmental disabilities) years ago, and he qualified but because there were no funds, he was put on the waiting list. He's now 21 and still on the waiting list. We have NEVER had respite care for our kids. I had to put my son in a home to get respite care. It would have been a whole lot cheaper for the state to provide us with some respite care than for them to pay for him to be in a home full time, especially since we don't leave him there full time, 1/2 the time the state is paying for an empty bed.

I look at my friends who've been investigated by CPS, some of them daycare providers who've had their careers ruined on false claims and then I see articles about children killed by their parents even though CPS was notified of problems.

Maybe for you government works, for me it's a bureaucracy that fails miserably time after time.
 
The Fed and the SEC gave us a couple of trillion in prosperity and kept the markets running properly. Then Bush wrecked it all.

The Great Depression, the stagflation of the 70's, the tech bubble, and our current crisis constitute "markets running properly" in your opinion? The debasement of our currency was a good thing?

Bush didn't do this to our economy, he didn't help the situation, but he didn't do it. The Fed itself is to blame.
 

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