Gore’s Sustainable Fascism

[editec]

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It makes absolutely no sense not to use our own resources.

Totally agree.

But turning our nation's air into acid rain can't continue either.

Neither can we continue raining mercury down on a third of the nation's water supplies.

We CAN clean up coal fired ectro-geneating plants and we must do so, too.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I'd like to know, in the OP's opinion, why this should be considered "fascism".

I don't agree with Gore personally, but I'm wondering what makes this "fascism".

ROFL... Are ya kidding me?

Hmm.. lets see... the Left is now in control with STRONG MAJORITIES of all three branches of government... Thus they are for all intents and purposes, at the very LEAST on the verge of an autocratic government...

Which is one leg of fascism...

They're proposing the elimination of the only effective voice of their opposition, that of Conservative Talk Radio... and they intend to do so through the power of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT...

Gore's position is one wherein HE advocates the use of force BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT in the implementation of stringent socio-economic regimentation for which he advocates.

Thus Gore advocates for: CENTRALIZED Authority...

That is the second leg of Fascism...

That government is headed by a individual that rose to power on little more than populism... his rise to power was founded in Race and Nationalism... above pretty much everything else and that leader will readily be given whatever power he asks for by the Idiocracy...

That's the third of Fascism's three legs.

Gore's positions are irrelevant without such. He could never get his policies advanced with an American Government, thus he needs this perfect Fascist Storm.

Now I am of the opinion that what is at this point, incontestable fascism... which granted has been rising for decades... since Reagan left power... that what you'll see in Hussein's government will be a leap directly from survivable nationalist fascism to the cultural death of international socialism, from which a violent revolution will be required to separate ourselves... ultimately destroying the host, which is the inevitable result of lending credence to the parasitic Left.

The only bright spot forseeable in that certainty is that wih luck, there will be sufficient fury built within that war, that leftism will be burned out of the human spirit.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

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carbon Free Electo-generation Is A Good Goal.

We Can't Keep Putting Co2 And Acid Rain, And The Mercury Emmissions Into Our Environment Forever, Ya Know.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Hmm.. lets see... the Left is now in control with STRONG MAJORITIES of all three branches of government... Thus they are for all intents and purposes, at the very LEAST on the verge of an autocratic government...

Which is one leg of fascism...

So let's see now. This same thing happened under Bush, so that must have been the real start of fascism, right? You have no idea if Obama will be as autocratic as Bush was. I doubt it, pogo.

 

[Paulie]

ROFL... Are ya kidding me?

Hmm.. lets see... the Left is now in control with STRONG MAJORITIES of all three branches of government... Thus they are for all intents and purposes, at the very LEAST on the verge of an autocratic government...

Which is one leg of fascism...

They're proposing the elimination of the only effective voice of their opposition, that of Conservative Talk Radio... and they intend to do so through the power of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT...

Gore's position is one wherein HE advocates the use of force BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT in the implementation of stringent socio-economic regimentation for which he advocates.

Thus Gore advocates for: CENTRALIZED Authority...

That is the second leg of Fascism...

That government is headed by a individual that rose to power on little more than populism... his rise to power was founded in Race and Nationalism... above pretty much everything else and that leader will readily be given whatever power he asks for by the Idiocracy...

That's the third of Fascism's three legs.

Gore's positions are irrelevant without such. He could never get his policies advanced with an American Government, thus he needs this perfect Fascist Storm.

Now I am of the opinion that what is at this point, incontestable fascism... which granted has been rising for decades... since Reagan left power... that what you'll see in Hussein's government will be a leap directly from survivable nationalist fascism to the cultural death of international socialism, from which a violent revolution will be required to separate ourselves... ultimately destroying the host, which is the inevitable result of lending credence to the parasitic Left.

The only bright spot forseeable in that certainty is that wih luck, there will be sufficient fury built within that war, that leftism will be burned out of the human spirit.

This is not correct.

First of all, our constitution allows for a party to be in complete control. We voted for it as a country. You can't backtrack and call it fascism simply because it happened. Second, fascism requires totalitarianism and violent opposition including the use of militants. It also requires that corporations rule through government.

I will be the first to claim this country is heading down the path of Fascism, but I don't see the elements of fascism in what Gore is proposing.

Where is the totalitarianism? Where is the violence and the corporate rule? Where is the dictator that would have to be required?

You can say it might lead to fascism, but it isn't yet.

 

[Turboswede]

This is not correct.

First of all, our constitution allows for a party to be in complete control. We voted for it as a country. You can't backtrack and call it fascism simply because it happened. Second, fascism requires totalitarianism and violent opposition including the use of militants. It also requires that corporations rule through government.

I will be the first to claim this country is heading down the path of Fascism, but I don't see the elements of fascism in what Gore is proposing.

Where is the totalitarianism? Where is the violence and the corporate rule? Where is the dictator that would have to be required?

You can say it might lead to fascism, but it isn't yet.

You are fighting a lost cause here, Publius defines Fascism as anything he doesn’t like, and he will even describe individuals as Fascist and Marxist in the same post.

I guess “Socialist” and “Communist” are not harsh enough anymore. If you think about it, the idea of Gore as a Fascist leader is kind of comical.

For example:

"If you do not bend your belief and desires to the will of the nation and the blood of the people of the nation …we will put you in a…lock box.”

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

So let's see now. This same thing happened under Bush,...

False...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

This is not correct.

First of all, our constitution allows for a party to be in complete control.

So what? I didn't say that fascism wasn't voted in... Fascism has never violently taken control in its rise to initial power... I simply laid out the facts demonstrating that the Hussein government is, AT BEST, a fascist regime.

We voted for it as a country.

Yeah, you've mentioned that and I pointed out that every fascist regime in history was 'voted in by popular majorities... that is how fascism comes to power, populism is the singular path by which fascism rises to power... the appeal is 'soft socialism.'

You can't backtrack and call it fascism simply because it happened.

I agree... and I would point out that I didn't 'back track'...

Second, fascism requires totalitarianism and violent opposition including the use of militants.

ROFL... False... To the extent that Fascism has HISTORICALLY RESULTED IN TOTALITARIANISM, No fascist regime came to power claiming that they would 'RISE TO TOTALITARIAN RULE AND VIOLENTLY SUPPRESS POLITICAL OPPOSITION!...' From Mussolini through Hitler and beyond, ALL fascist governments have risen as the alternative to Capitalism and Socialism... Fascism is "THE 3rd WAY"... "The Middle Way"...

Must we once AGAIN point out that the Messiah Hussein called for a 'civilian force' which is 'every bit the equal of the US military?' Do you really believe this is a call for a Peace Corps on steroids? You can rest assured that such a force will begin with the freaks of ACORN and they will resemble the Brown-shirts, in mildewed dreads and tie-dye...

Totalitarian rule has NEVER been established at the outset of a fascist regime... That comes in 'emergency measures that the sheeple willingly provide; which the left WILL WILLINGLY PROVIDE (thus the critical function of autocratic - One party - government...) such power to Hussein... there is absolutely NO DOUBT OF IT; the stage has been set...

It also requires that corporations rule through government.

That is patently false... Corporations have never had any power in Fascist governments... Corporations were merely the means to the socialist end... Fascist simply use the wealth production of Corporations to fund the 'social contract'...

I will be the first to claim this country is heading down the path of Fascism, but I don't see the elements of fascism in what Gore is proposing.

Well then you're not paying attention... Gore is providing you with a "First Class' example of the classic type of 'emergency' by which that Totalitarian power is established... he is stating that the US should ABOLISH AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY... Do you think that such is possible absent totalitarian power?

Gore has often stated that 'The time for debate is past and opponents of AGW should be silenced... that the critical nature of Global Warming requires immediate drastic action; that the fate of the human species is at risk...'

Where is the totalitarianism?

Well it's in the history of Leftism where they have strong ruling majorities... give it time...

Where is the violence and the corporate rule? Where is the dictator that would have to be required?

Ya mean like the raiding of the stage at Columbia where opposition was forced to flee the stage or the mugging of Palin voters returning from the polls wearing their button? Give the system a chance to work... where they feel they can get away with it... they will become incredibly violent; let them get their 'civilian force, every bit the equivalent of the US military' going...

All thing come to those that wait... you're simply under the impression that fascism starts off, looking like it did at the end of Fascist rule... you're mistaken. Fascism is little more than the embodiment of the Moderate left... the "PROGRESSIVES"... and if you thought they really were 'the embodiment of compassion and tolerant of the differing ideas of others...' then you've bought into a scam and simply have not been paying attention.

Now with all that said... The best we can HOPE FOR with these idiots, is FASCISM. It's entirely possible that they will leap from that 3rd way to the 'other way'...

Frankly I'm praying its fascism... and this because we can always recover from fascism; simply return Americans to office and it will all work itself out over time. But if it goes Socialist... there is no coming back from that. The only solution there is to destroy them to the last individual and that is an unthinkable, horrible, albeit essential and unavoidable reality should this turn from the 'middle way' to "the other way..."

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

You are fighting a lost cause here, Publius defines Fascism as anything he doesn’t like, and he will even describe individuals as Fascist and Marxist in the same post.

I guess “Socialist” and “Communist” are not harsh enough anymore. If you think about it, the idea of Gore as a Fascist leader is kind of comical.

For example:

"If you do not bend your belief and desires to the will of the nation and the blood of the people of the nation …we will put you in a…lock box.”

ROFLMNAO... CLASSIC: Concession By Default...

Now kids, do you see how easy winning is by simply standing on bedrock principle?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

What I find funny is, they are in charge because of the failures of their predeccesors. So I guess the joke is really on those who got booted, since they were doing such a good job.

It is beyond funny... it is tragic... The GOP tolerated moderates and it cost them their nation.

It will all work out; the only question is how much damage the left will do... with the scope of potential being from merely catastrophic to total annihilation...

 

[Paulie]

I don't know, Publius. Fascism seems to be one of the more misunderstood ideologies, and seems to have a different definition depending on who you are talking to.

The main component of fascism is corporatism. Corporations, and not necessarily "incorporated business entities" as there are other versions of corporations throughout history, are the primary bodies that are represented in legislation.

If I am to understand you correctly, you must believe that at some point, there will be someone in the government, probably Obama, who will become the dictator. Do you really believe that?

The guy's got 2 years before his power could potentially be voted out of congress.

I think you're taking it way too seriously. Neither Obama nor McCain would have been any good for this country. Either way, we would have lost.

But I'll tell you what...Fascism has been alive and well in this country for decades. You think congress convenes with the best interests of you and I at heart? Please. Special interest groups and corporations are the primary beneficiaries of American legislation. That is corporatism, and always has been. And thus, Fascism.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I don't know, Publius. Fascism seems to be one of the more misunderstood ideologies, and seems to have a different definition depending on who you are talking to.

The main component of fascism is corporatism. Corporations, and not necessarily "incorporated business entities" as there are other versions of corporations throughout history, are the primary bodies that are represented in legislation.

If I am to understand you correctly, you must believe that at some point, there will be someone in the government, probably Obama, who will become the dictator. Do you really believe that?

The guy's got 2 years before his power could potentially be voted out of congress.

I think you're taking it way too seriously. Neither Obama nor McCain would have been any good for this country. Either way, we would have lost.

But I'll tell you what...Fascism has been alive and well in this country for decades. You think congress convenes with the best interests of you and I at heart? Please. Special interest groups and corporations are the primary beneficiaries of American legislation. That is corporatism, and always has been. And thus, Fascism.

I agree with you on the bulk of that... I disagree on 'corporatism' as it is a myth born from the Socialists... Fascism simply uses industry to fund the 'social contract'... thus those that advocate for inducing regulation and taxation upon industry and to use the proceeds to fund social programs... they're fascists.

I think that whenever the Congress is in session the liberty of every American is at risk...

We're all special interests and I LIKE HAVING THE MEANS TO REDRESS MY GOVERNMENT... I'm the CEO of a Corporation... so I really don't have a problem with 'em... except where they act irresponsibly by infringing on the means of their neighbors to exercise their rights.

And yes... I think it's entirely POSSIBLE that Hussein will make a play for totalitarianism... and I think it will happen in the wake of some 'national emergency'... and I thin te left knows they have two years to scre this up and they'll get busy doing so DAY ONE...

I don't believe that it is possible to underestimate a Leftist... You have to understand that the leftist ideology is the means by which the stupid are able to project a politicla voice... Hussein is not stupid... and he's a leftist, so that means he is intentionally manipulating the idiots... and that means he's evil... so yeah, as I see it, it's gonna get REAL ugly and it's gonna get that way REAL quick.

With that said... no one will be happier for me to be wrong than ME... I don't want to see the nation crippled by violent revolution. I have two sons in the Marine Corps, grand children and I don't know how much drag racing one can reasonably expect to manage in the midst of a revolution... and I LOVE THE DRAGS... so, if the big eared jackass just muddles threw and prolongs the recession for the next 8 years... that will work just fine for me, honest injun...

 

[Coloradomtnman]

When I retire in an environmental wasteland, and my children grow up in a world less diverse with next to no wilderness or natural places left, and when their children grow up starving in a world destitute of environmental resources, and when there are numerous wars because of out-of-control environmental degradation which leaves the human race is reduced to nothing beyond daily survival - all because we worried about money instead of living on a healthy planet, I will sit back and weep because all of you who thought the environment wasn't that important and didn't want to be identified with tree huggers or somehow live a life with less stuff will have demonstrated just who the human race really is: a petty, lazy, fearful, ignorant group of monkeys.

And you might think that is an extreme perspective, but just look at what we're doing to the world. Really look. Is anything happening to stop or slow it? We're screwed. So live it up now. Go on. Live it up.

We should've elected Gore. He would've been a millions times better than the red-neck, ignorant moron and his group of corrupt lackeys and evil, greedy war-mongers that we've had the past eight years, and during GHW's and Reagan's administrations. The GOP has killed human dignity, it just doesn't know it yet.

And if I'm wrong: then I'll thank God!