GOP official says God chooses to bless raped women with pregnancy

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You can't make up zanier stuff than what the Repub Base believes

 

[Vanquish]

1. It's not a "baby" until it's born.
2. It's not even a fetus until week 22.
3. Victimizing rape victims twice by making them carry their rape babies full term and birthing them is disgusting on a human level. If you don't understand that, you're broken, and hopefully will stop voting very soon.

When you stop giving RAPE VICTIMS the option to not be reminded of the most violating and dehumanizing act you can perpetrate on a woman, your party has lost its moorings. Your party just adopted a plank that specifically removes exceptions for incest and rape. Ergo, your party is bat shit fucking crazy, and I hope you're all very much prepared for a strong backlash over the social policies your party is choosing to adopt.

It's also one more example of how you guys couldn't win this election if you tried. You're off message on the economy once more, and now we're back to talking about shit that you have never, ever won in the court of public opinion: abortion and Medicare.

Real Republicans have the Tea Baggers to thank for this, plain and simple.

Seacrest, out.

Ahh the typical decent into rationalization with the red-herring of "development". It doesn't matter at what arbitrary stage of development the baby living inside the mother at.

You've failed to prove that it's not alive. Because you can't.

The best you can say is..."I'm ending the growth of this living thing that doesn't meet my arbitrary threshold for what I call a human being." Which reduces down to ... "I'm ending the lifespan of a living thing. That happens to be human."

If you really held the depth of convictions you claim to about the brutalization of women, you'd also feel deep a deep conviction for ALL HUMAN LIFE.

I'm not a religious zealot. I'm not a Republican. I'm a believer in (and former advanced student of) science and scientific method. Not even arbitrary scientific development models can remove two facts: 1) the dna is nothing other than human 2) it's alive.

Refute either of those and you might have a valid argument.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

1. It's not a "baby" until it's born.
2. It's not even a fetus until week 22.
3. Victimizing rape victims twice by making them carry their rape babies full term and birthing them is disgusting on a human level. If you don't understand that, you're broken, and hopefully will stop voting very soon.

When you stop giving RAPE VICTIMS the option to not be reminded of the most violating and dehumanizing act you can perpetrate on a woman, your party has lost its moorings. Your party just adopted a plank that specifically removes exceptions for incest and rape. Ergo, your party is bat shit fucking crazy, and I hope you're all very much prepared for a strong backlash over the social policies your party is choosing to adopt.

It's also one more example of how you guys couldn't win this election if you tried. You're off message on the economy once more, and now we're back to talking about shit that you have never, ever won in the court of public opinion: abortion and Medicare.

Real Republicans have the Tea Baggers to thank for this, plain and simple.

Seacrest, out.

Ahh the typical decent into rationalization with the red-herring of "development". It doesn't matter at what arbitrary stage of development the baby living inside the mother at.

You've failed to prove that it's not alive. Because you can't.

The best you can say is..."I'm ending the growth of this living thing that doesn't meet my arbitrary threshold for what I call a human being." Which reduces down to ... "I'm ending the lifespan of a living thing. That happens to be human."

If you really held the depth of convictions you claim to about the brutalization of women, you'd also feel deep a deep conviction for ALL HUMAN LIFE.

I'm not a religious zealot. I'm not a Republican. I'm a believer in (and former advanced student of) science and scientific method. Not even arbitrary scientific development models can remove two facts: 1) the dna is nothing other than human 2) it's alive.

Refute either of those and you might have a valid argument.

Here's a clue for you. I don't give a good goddamn if its alive. Know what else is alive? Viruses, bacteria and disease. They're all alive, and yes, I am absolutely comparing a zygote and embryo pre-22 weeks to those other ailments. Why? Because none of them have a functioning human brain as well. I'm sorry that the inconvenience of scientific fact makes you out to be a complete fucking Luddite, but that's not exactly my problem either, is it?

Putting emotional stock in something that ABORTS ITSELF up to 30% of the time in the same period that abortion is legal is stupid, and absolutely the work of zealots. You can ascribe all the emotional hand-wringing you want to it, but it does not and will not ever change the fact that if you were to take that "living" being out of the mother, or if the mother were to die before 22 weeks, that "living" being will die anyway. It's not a baby. It's not a human life that is worth as much as that of the mother.

Maybe other progressives won't say that. I will. I'm a father of two small children and I'll still say it. Why? We had a miscarriage before my first child was born. Were we bummed? Sure. But since it was about six or eight weeks in and looked like a bloody clump of tissue, we didn't exactly box it up and bury it in the backyard, did we?

Regardless of all of that, you have still not shown me one fucking shred of evidence as to why it's a GOOD thing to force victims of rape to carry their baby to full term. Unless you're into further dehumanizing people. If so, you're right, you're not a Republican or a Democrat, you're just a cocksucking piece of shit asshole.

Oh wait. The GOP just put that in their official platform. So I guess Republicans ARE cocksucking piece of shit assholes. My mistake.

 

[Vanquish]

1. It's not a "baby" until it's born.
2. It's not even a fetus until week 22.
3. Victimizing rape victims twice by making them carry their rape babies full term and birthing them is disgusting on a human level. If you don't understand that, you're broken, and hopefully will stop voting very soon.

When you stop giving RAPE VICTIMS the option to not be reminded of the most violating and dehumanizing act you can perpetrate on a woman, your party has lost its moorings. Your party just adopted a plank that specifically removes exceptions for incest and rape. Ergo, your party is bat shit fucking crazy, and I hope you're all very much prepared for a strong backlash over the social policies your party is choosing to adopt.

It's also one more example of how you guys couldn't win this election if you tried. You're off message on the economy once more, and now we're back to talking about shit that you have never, ever won in the court of public opinion: abortion and Medicare.

Real Republicans have the Tea Baggers to thank for this, plain and simple.

Seacrest, out.

Ahh the typical decent into rationalization with the red-herring of "development". It doesn't matter at what arbitrary stage of development the baby living inside the mother at.

You've failed to prove that it's not alive. Because you can't.

The best you can say is..."I'm ending the growth of this living thing that doesn't meet my arbitrary threshold for what I call a human being." Which reduces down to ... "I'm ending the lifespan of a living thing. That happens to be human."

If you really held the depth of convictions you claim to about the brutalization of women, you'd also feel deep a deep conviction for ALL HUMAN LIFE.

I'm not a religious zealot. I'm not a Republican. I'm a believer in (and former advanced student of) science and scientific method. Not even arbitrary scientific development models can remove two facts: 1) the dna is nothing other than human 2) it's alive.

Refute either of those and you might have a valid argument.

Here's a clue for you. I don't give a good goddamn if its alive. Know what else is alive? Viruses, bacteria and disease. They're all alive, and yes, I am absolutely comparing a zygote and embryo pre-22 weeks to those other ailments. Why? Because none of them have a functioning human brain as well. I'm sorry that the inconvenience of scientific fact makes you out to be a complete fucking Luddite, but that's not exactly my problem either, is it?

Putting emotional stock in something that ABORTS ITSELF up to 30% of the time in the same period that abortion is legal is stupid, and absolutely the work of zealots. You can ascribe all the emotional hand-wringing you want to it, but it does not and will not ever change the fact that if you were to take that "living" being out of the mother, or if the mother were to die before 22 weeks, that "living" being will die anyway. It's not a baby. It's not a human life that is worth as much as that of the mother.

Maybe other progressives won't say that. I will. I'm a father of two small children and I'll still say it. Why? We had a miscarriage before my first child was born. Were we bummed? Sure. But since it was about six or eight weeks in and looked like a bloody clump of tissue, we didn't exactly box it up and bury it in the backyard, did we?

Regardless of all of that, you have still not shown me one fucking shred of evidence as to why it's a GOOD thing to force victims of rape to carry their baby to full term. Unless you're into further dehumanizing people. If so, you're right, you're not a Republican or a Democrat, you're just a cocksucking piece of shit asshole.

Oh wait. The GOP just put that in their official platform. So I guess Republicans ARE cocksucking piece of shit assholes. My mistake.

Cocksucking... so you're insulting me by calling me GAY?? That's pretty homophobic and hateful. How long have you hated gay people? How long have you insulted people by calling them gay?

Piece of shit? For having my own opinion? Interesting. The only idea that matters is your own, apparently.

How you can accuse someone who is obviously advocating for human issues as dehumanizing....WHILE YOU ARE DEHUMANIZING PEOPLE YOURSELF by putting them into arbitrary categories of scientific development...makes you look pretty absurd AND undercuts your own arguments.

I care about women. I love my wife very much. I miss my mother who died 13 years ago every day. I have already written above that rape is horrifically bad and something that is completely revolting and disgusting. I advocate for women's issues locally in my state. Don't think you know JACK about me. You'd demonstrated that you don't.

There's a reason why the law gives a stricter punishment for murder than for rape. It's because...wait for it...wait for it...historically the entire world has held death worse than rape.

Continue to rationalize ending a life that doesn't meet with your current arbitrary standard. I'll just be over here advocating for ALL life.

 

[Conservative]

not that this matters to anyone in particular, but you do realize the person who made this statement is a state level GOP official, and does not speak for the GOP as a whole... right???

 

[amrchaos]

Unwanted children (that's all of you bastards conceived out of wedlock) aren't wanted by God either. Right?

Does that mean that Jesus was the result of an unwanted pregnancy?

Had to--Remember, Mary was suppose to marry Joseph then she got impregnanted by the holy spirit. I wonder--do Christians consider rape a blessing since--you know--Mary was impregnated without her consent?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Ahh the typical decent into rationalization with the red-herring of "development". It doesn't matter at what arbitrary stage of development the baby living inside the mother at.

You've failed to prove that it's not alive. Because you can't.

The best you can say is..."I'm ending the growth of this living thing that doesn't meet my arbitrary threshold for what I call a human being." Which reduces down to ... "I'm ending the lifespan of a living thing. That happens to be human."

If you really held the depth of convictions you claim to about the brutalization of women, you'd also feel deep a deep conviction for ALL HUMAN LIFE.

I'm not a religious zealot. I'm not a Republican. I'm a believer in (and former advanced student of) science and scientific method. Not even arbitrary scientific development models can remove two facts: 1) the dna is nothing other than human 2) it's alive.

Refute either of those and you might have a valid argument.

Here's a clue for you. I don't give a good goddamn if its alive. Know what else is alive? Viruses, bacteria and disease. They're all alive, and yes, I am absolutely comparing a zygote and embryo pre-22 weeks to those other ailments. Why? Because none of them have a functioning human brain as well. I'm sorry that the inconvenience of scientific fact makes you out to be a complete fucking Luddite, but that's not exactly my problem either, is it?

Putting emotional stock in something that ABORTS ITSELF up to 30% of the time in the same period that abortion is legal is stupid, and absolutely the work of zealots. You can ascribe all the emotional hand-wringing you want to it, but it does not and will not ever change the fact that if you were to take that "living" being out of the mother, or if the mother were to die before 22 weeks, that "living" being will die anyway. It's not a baby. It's not a human life that is worth as much as that of the mother.

Maybe other progressives won't say that. I will. I'm a father of two small children and I'll still say it. Why? We had a miscarriage before my first child was born. Were we bummed? Sure. But since it was about six or eight weeks in and looked like a bloody clump of tissue, we didn't exactly box it up and bury it in the backyard, did we?

Regardless of all of that, you have still not shown me one fucking shred of evidence as to why it's a GOOD thing to force victims of rape to carry their baby to full term. Unless you're into further dehumanizing people. If so, you're right, you're not a Republican or a Democrat, you're just a cocksucking piece of shit asshole.

Oh wait. The GOP just put that in their official platform. So I guess Republicans ARE cocksucking piece of shit assholes. My mistake.

Cocksucking... so you're insulting me by calling me GAY?? That's pretty homophobic and hateful. How long have you hated gay people? How long have you insulted people by calling them gay?

Piece of shit? For having my own opinion? Interesting. The only idea that matters is your own, apparently.

How you can accuse someone who is obviously advocating for human issues as dehumanizing....WHILE YOU ARE DEHUMANIZING PEOPLE YOURSELF by putting them into arbitrary categories of scientific development...makes you look pretty absurd AND undercuts your own arguments.

I care about women. I love my wife very much. I miss my mother who died 13 years ago every day. I have already written above that rape is horrifically bad and something that is completely revolting and disgusting. I advocate for women's issues locally in my state. Don't think you know JACK about me. You'd demonstrated that you don't.

There's a reason why the law gives a stricter punishment for murder than for rape. It's because...wait for it...wait for it...historically the entire world has held death worse than rape.

Continue to rationalize ending a life that doesn't meet with your current arbitrary standard. I'll just be over here advocating for ALL life.

Gay people are the only ones who suck cock? That's news to me. I just imagine that very few actually enjoy it. Have you seen a cock? I mean, they're kind of gross looking, and when you suck on them too much this little bit of white stuff comes out that I wouldn't think would be all that appetizing either. Just sayin'.

You're a piece of shit for thinking you have any right to force a rape victim to have the baby that was created by her rape. Sorry if that's too harsh for you to handle, but then again, I'm not really sorry. The truth hurts. And yes, you are a vile fucking asshole for suggesting that rape victims carry their rape babies full term and birth them. Don't like it? Tough titty, bitch. Tough motherfuckin' titty.

The only arbitrary standards being handed out here are you, in regards to the health and mental well being of the woman who had some slimeball's rock-hard cock shoved inside her vagina or anus against her will. You're arbitrarily deciding that her recovery from that crime is less important than a "life"form that is non-functioning outside of the woman's womb.

Thanks for playing though, Fuck-o.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

not that this matters to anyone in particular, but you do realize the person who made this statement is a state level GOP official, and does not speak for the GOP as a whole... right???

The whole GOP did speak. Don't like what these assholes said about your party's beliefs? Or are you just trying to win an intellectual argument without addressing the actual facts?

Republican convention platform committee approves strict anti-abortion plank - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

 

[Katzndogz]

Everyone who supports abortion for babies conceived as a result of rape should have no problem whatsoever with rapists getting the death penalty. The argument that the rapist hasn't killed anyone, the woman can still go on with her life as a rape victim, is the same argument for banning abortion in the case of rape.

Yet, liberals absolutely would not support the death penalty for rapists. In fact, a woman who kills a rapist is a murderer! Her life was not in danger. She wasn't going to die. He wasn't going to kill her. She is nothing more than a cold hearted killer. Especially if the killing was not immediate. She took her time, tracked him down, bought a gun and dropped him in an alley.

 

[Conservative]

not that this matters to anyone in particular, but you do realize the person who made this statement is a state level GOP official, and does not speak for the GOP as a whole... right???

The whole GOP did speak. Don't like what these assholes said about your party's beliefs? Or are you just trying to win an intellectual argument without addressing the actual facts?

Republican convention platform committee approves strict anti-abortion plank - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

Really? This...
"If God has chosen to bless this person [the rape victim] with a life, you don’t kill it."
...is in the GOP platform? Please, show me those exact words in the GOP platform, asshat.

 

[Vanquish]

Here's a clue for you. I don't give a good goddamn if its alive. Know what else is alive? Viruses, bacteria and disease. They're all alive, and yes, I am absolutely comparing a zygote and embryo pre-22 weeks to those other ailments. Why? Because none of them have a functioning human brain as well. I'm sorry that the inconvenience of scientific fact makes you out to be a complete fucking Luddite, but that's not exactly my problem either, is it?

Putting emotional stock in something that ABORTS ITSELF up to 30% of the time in the same period that abortion is legal is stupid, and absolutely the work of zealots. You can ascribe all the emotional hand-wringing you want to it, but it does not and will not ever change the fact that if you were to take that "living" being out of the mother, or if the mother were to die before 22 weeks, that "living" being will die anyway. It's not a baby. It's not a human life that is worth as much as that of the mother.

Maybe other progressives won't say that. I will. I'm a father of two small children and I'll still say it. Why? We had a miscarriage before my first child was born. Were we bummed? Sure. But since it was about six or eight weeks in and looked like a bloody clump of tissue, we didn't exactly box it up and bury it in the backyard, did we?

Regardless of all of that, you have still not shown me one fucking shred of evidence as to why it's a GOOD thing to force victims of rape to carry their baby to full term. Unless you're into further dehumanizing people. If so, you're right, you're not a Republican or a Democrat, you're just a cocksucking piece of shit asshole.

Oh wait. The GOP just put that in their official platform. So I guess Republicans ARE cocksucking piece of shit assholes. My mistake.

Cocksucking... so you're insulting me by calling me GAY?? That's pretty homophobic and hateful. How long have you hated gay people? How long have you insulted people by calling them gay?

Piece of shit? For having my own opinion? Interesting. The only idea that matters is your own, apparently.

How you can accuse someone who is obviously advocating for human issues as dehumanizing....WHILE YOU ARE DEHUMANIZING PEOPLE YOURSELF by putting them into arbitrary categories of scientific development...makes you look pretty absurd AND undercuts your own arguments.

I care about women. I love my wife very much. I miss my mother who died 13 years ago every day. I have already written above that rape is horrifically bad and something that is completely revolting and disgusting. I advocate for women's issues locally in my state. Don't think you know JACK about me. You'd demonstrated that you don't.

There's a reason why the law gives a stricter punishment for murder than for rape. It's because...wait for it...wait for it...historically the entire world has held death worse than rape.

Continue to rationalize ending a life that doesn't meet with your current arbitrary standard. I'll just be over here advocating for ALL life.

Gay people are the only ones who suck cock? That's news to me. I just imagine that very few actually enjoy it. Have you seen a cock? I mean, they're kind of gross looking, and when you suck on them too much this little bit of white stuff comes out that I wouldn't think would be all that appetizing either. Just sayin'.

You're a piece of shit for thinking you have any right to force a rape victim to have the baby that was created by her rape. Sorry if that's too harsh for you to handle, but then again, I'm not really sorry. The truth hurts. And yes, you are a vile fucking asshole for suggesting that rape victims carry their rape babies full term and birth them. Don't like it? Tough titty, bitch. Tough motherfuckin' titty.

The only arbitrary standards being handed out here are you, in regards to the health and mental well being of the woman who had some slimeball's rock-hard cock shoved inside her vagina or anus against her will. You're arbitrarily deciding that her recovery from that crime is less important than a "life"form that is non-functioning outside of the woman's womb.

Thanks for playing though, Fuck-o.

Thanks for playing? I'm the only one who showed up? No matter how many curse words you spit out to sound confident - you're being hateful.

Speaking of curse words and your hate, you obviously thought the act of cocksucking was vile and insulting. You're saying what gay people do in their bedrooms (or wherever) is vile and the perfect way to insult someone. So again, I ask...how long have you hated gay people? Hopefully you don't have any in your family. That would be extra hurtful if you expressed that to them. (I doubt you'd have the filter to stop yourself)

It's amazing that you can't agree with the rest of the civilized world of laws that rape isn't as bad as death. I've already explained my empathy for rape victims. It's a despicable crime. But you can't poke your head into reality and have a decent conversation.

Wow. Your criteria for death is "a "life"form that is non-functioning outside of the woman's womb."?? Really? Infants can't take care of themselves without help. Old people can't take care of themselves without help. Mentally and physically disabled people can't take care of themselves often times too. You'd kill all these people??

That's why your delusion about the pro-life debate is so terrible. This is where people like you are taking us.

I hope you learn to love homosexuals, the disabled, the old, and infants. That's a lot of people to hate.

 

[Conservative]

Cocksucking... so you're insulting me by calling me GAY?? That's pretty homophobic and hateful. How long have you hated gay people? How long have you insulted people by calling them gay?

Piece of shit? For having my own opinion? Interesting. The only idea that matters is your own, apparently.

How you can accuse someone who is obviously advocating for human issues as dehumanizing....WHILE YOU ARE DEHUMANIZING PEOPLE YOURSELF by putting them into arbitrary categories of scientific development...makes you look pretty absurd AND undercuts your own arguments.

I care about women. I love my wife very much. I miss my mother who died 13 years ago every day. I have already written above that rape is horrifically bad and something that is completely revolting and disgusting. I advocate for women's issues locally in my state. Don't think you know JACK about me. You'd demonstrated that you don't.

There's a reason why the law gives a stricter punishment for murder than for rape. It's because...wait for it...wait for it...historically the entire world has held death worse than rape.

Continue to rationalize ending a life that doesn't meet with your current arbitrary standard. I'll just be over here advocating for ALL life.

Gay people are the only ones who suck cock? That's news to me. I just imagine that very few actually enjoy it. Have you seen a cock? I mean, they're kind of gross looking, and when you suck on them too much this little bit of white stuff comes out that I wouldn't think would be all that appetizing either. Just sayin'.

You're a piece of shit for thinking you have any right to force a rape victim to have the baby that was created by her rape. Sorry if that's too harsh for you to handle, but then again, I'm not really sorry. The truth hurts. And yes, you are a vile fucking asshole for suggesting that rape victims carry their rape babies full term and birth them. Don't like it? Tough titty, bitch. Tough motherfuckin' titty.

The only arbitrary standards being handed out here are you, in regards to the health and mental well being of the woman who had some slimeball's rock-hard cock shoved inside her vagina or anus against her will. You're arbitrarily deciding that her recovery from that crime is less important than a "life"form that is non-functioning outside of the woman's womb.

Thanks for playing though, Fuck-o.

Thanks for playing? I'm the only one who showed up? No matter how many curse words you spit out to sound confident - you're being hateful.

Speaking of curse words and your hate, you obviously thought the act of cocksucking was vile and insulting. You're saying what gay people do in their bedrooms (or wherever) is vile and the perfect way to insult someone. So again, I ask...how long have you hated gay people? Hopefully you don't have any in your family. That would be extra hurtful if you expressed that to them. (I doubt you'd have the filter to stop yourself)

It's amazing that you can't agree with the rest of the civilized world of laws that rape isn't as bad as death. I've already explained my empathy for rape victims. It's a despicable crime. But you can't poke your head into reality and have a decent conversation.

Wow. Your criteria for death is "a "life"form that is non-functioning outside of the woman's womb."?? Really? Infants can't take care of themselves without help. Old people can't take care of themselves without help. Mentally and physically disabled people can't take care of themselves often times too. You'd kill all these people??

That's why your delusion about the pro-life debate is so terrible. This is where people like you are taking us.

I hope you learn to love homosexuals, the disabled, the old, and infants. That's a lot of people to hate.

Derpshit hates everyone but himself.

Lonely, lonely man. Shame, really.

 

[amrchaos]

Everyone who supports abortion for babies conceived as a result of rape should have no problem whatsoever with rapists getting the death penalty. The argument that the rapist hasn't killed anyone, the woman can still go on with her life as a rape victim, is the same argument for banning abortion in the case of rape.

Yet, liberals absolutely would not support the death penalty for rapists. In fact, a woman who kills a rapist is a murderer! Her life was not in danger. She wasn't going to die. He wasn't going to kill her. She is nothing more than a cold hearted killer. Especially if the killing was not immediate. She took her time, tracked him down, bought a gun and dropped him in an alley.

First point--yeah, I can go for death penalty for rapists--but make sure we are talking rape here. Some women are twisted and will use a rape chare to hurt a man.

2nd point--That probably falls up under a crime of passion. It is the same as a man/woman killing her spouse due to cheating, crime against a sibling out of jealousy and the sort.

I wouldn't give her that much time in jail for it in general--and probably would only consider probation if she could prove she wa raped by the man and he was punished for the crime.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Thanks for playing? I'm the only one who showed up? No matter how many curse words you spit out to sound confident - you're being hateful.

You're right. I hate it when assholes think it's their place to tell other people what to do with their bodies. I hate it when assholes decide that right extends to forcing women who were just fucked against their will into birthing their rapists' babies. If that's so shocking to you, you really need to go away somewhere with padded walls.

Speaking of curse words and your hate, you obviously thought the act of cocksucking was vile and insulting. You're saying what gay people do in their bedrooms (or wherever) is vile and the perfect way to insult someone. So again, I ask...how long have you hated gay people? Hopefully you don't have any in your family. That would be extra hurtful if you expressed that to them. (I doubt you'd have the filter to stop yourself)

Every gay person sucks dick and enjoys it now? Way to hyperfixate on a hyperbolic piece of verbal frittery, Captain No-Sense-of-Humor. And LOL@ "How long have you hated gay people." About as long as I've been a regular donor to the HRC, voted against Prop 8, etc. But you're right, I'm the asshole bigot.

It's amazing that you can't agree with the rest of the civilized world of laws that rape isn't as bad as death. I've already explained my empathy for rape victims. It's a despicable crime. But you can't poke your head into reality and have a decent conversation.

Who the fuck ever said that? You're trying to squeeze your bullshit zealotry over abortion into the equation. Here's another clue for you, Fuck Sock, I don't buy that abortion before 22 weeks is murder. So your argument is bullshit to me, oh and the Supreme Court thinks that too. So YOU are the one out of step here, Shit for Dick.

Wow. Your criteria for death is "a "life"form that is non-functioning outside of the woman's womb."?? Really? Infants can't take care of themselves without help. Old people can't take care of themselves without help. Mentally and physically disabled people can't take care of themselves often times too. You'd kill all these people??

Yes. My criteria is medical viability. So is the Supreme Court's. You're clearly too stupid to get this, so let's break it down:

-Baby Carried to Full Term and Birthed: Viable Lifeform
-Baby Developed Past 22 weeks and birthed: Viable, but will have many issues
-Baby Aborted Before 22 weeks: NOT VIABLE, WILL PERISH NO MATTER FUCKING WHAT

I know, it's hard for you to fathom that I'd not get emotionally attached to something that could not possibly have a life of its own without it's host organism, but I guess I'm just totes into science and shit.

That's why your delusion about the pro-life debate is so terrible. This is where people like you are taking us.

Lawl. And people like you are taking us back four decades. So go fuck yourself, TwatMuffin.

I hope you learn to love homosexuals, the disabled, the old, and infants. That's a lot of people to hate.

Thanks for doing me the favor of never having to engage you in any kind of intellectual discourse again. For you to leap from "Zygotes and Embryos are not lifeforms with the same rights as fully developed humans" to "I hate gays, the disabled, the old and infants" is so retarded even Forest Gump was all, "You're fucking retarded, asshole."

 

[ConservaDerrps]

not that this matters to anyone in particular, but you do realize the person who made this statement is a state level GOP official, and does not speak for the GOP as a whole... right???

The whole GOP did speak. Don't like what these assholes said about your party's beliefs? Or are you just trying to win an intellectual argument without addressing the actual facts?

Republican convention platform committee approves strict anti-abortion plank - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

Really? This...
"If God has chosen to bless this person [the rape victim] with a life, you don’t kill it."
...is in the GOP platform? Please, show me those exact words in the GOP platform, asshat.

Boy, you really do love to split hairs, don't you, ConservativelyMoronic?

"Faithful to the 'self-evident' truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed," said the draft platform language. "We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children."

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Where in there does an exception for rape come up? That's the point dummy, it doesn't say it. So thanks for trying to weasel a point off this, but considering that every news outlet is reporting that there is no rape or incest exception in the GOP platform stance on abortion, you lose, sir.

I wipe my dick clean of thee.

 

[Conservative]

I wipe my dick clean of thee.

you must be thinking of JosephK again. Or Obama.

 

[The Gadfly]

No matter what you think, no matter how emotional over the issue one is, this is a stupid thing to waste debate and intellectual energy on, much less needlessly risk electoral defeat over. Abortion, like it or not, has been a matter of settled law since Roe v. Wade. The SCOTUS is going to keep it that way, and since the country is nearly evenly split on the issue, there is about a snowball's chance in hell of getting a constitutional amendment (which is what would be required to invalidate Roe v. Wade) through the congress, much less having it ratified. GIVE IT UP, PEOPLE, give it up now, unless you want four more years of Obama (which is a pretty damn steep price to inflict on the rest of us for your fanaticism on this issue!). It's equally disingenuous for the other party to use this as a weapon, because they know as well as I do that the pro-life wing of the republican party can never enact its beliefs into law and have them found constitutional, but if you keep putting it out there, they're going to KEEP using it anyway and there are plenty of voters out there stupid enough to buy into it. This is a lose-lose situation for conservatives, so get on board with the REAL issues we can actually do something about, and forget the battle that's already been lost.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It is the mother's feelings which should be primary. She most likely holds feelings of hate and resentment among many other emotions toward her rapist. Having a child around to remind her of this horror is very often not what the woman wants or can live with. It should be her decision to abort or not and people should quit supposing, passing judgment, thinking she is less important than the fetus, etc. The woman who is raped is just as innocent as the fetus and since she is a living, breathing, thinking human being, her feelings should always be the deciding factor.

The mothers feelings should be primary? Why? If a couple has a baby and the man rapes the woman can she kill the baby? If not, what is the difference? It is still the child of a rapist, and that woman might still hate the father, and still not want to be reminded of the rape by the very existence of a child? Does it really make a difference that the rape happened after the child was born rather than before it was?

Yes, the living, breathing, vital, conscious mother should be primary. As for the rest of your convoluted statement. ???????

Is actually applying your argument to other situations to intellectual for you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It is the mother's feelings which should be primary. She most likely holds feelings of hate and resentment among many other emotions toward her rapist. Having a child around to remind her of this horror is very often not what the woman wants or can live with. It should be her decision to abort or not and people should quit supposing, passing judgment, thinking she is less important than the fetus, etc. The woman who is raped is just as innocent as the fetus and since she is a living, breathing, thinking human being, her feelings should always be the deciding factor.

So you're comparing emotional pain, albeit bad, to complete and utter death?? That's

You offer no support for your conclusion that the mother should always get to decide.

Pain is worse than death? Not even close.

Does the fetus know it is dead or going to die? No. But the mother knows that she will be carrying a child that she may grow to resent and also, the child will suffer later due to this and if it ever finds out it was the child of rape, it will also bear the emotional consequences. I don't need to support the conclusion that the mother should always get to decide. It goes without saying.

But many men and some women subscribe to this ancient notion:

Let's go back to our patriarchal history for a moment. The origin of
patriarchy can be traced to the male need to establish paternity of
their children, especially in a propertied society where ownership is
heritable.

Standard socio-biological theory points to a biological need for people
to invest in their own children rather than someone else's. In the
animal world for instance, animals do not normally look after the
offspring of others unless they've been tricked into it. Males will even
kill another male's offspring so the female will be free to mate with
them instead. Now, women always know that the children they bear are
related to them, but men can never know for sure who their genetic
offspring are.

...

In ancient human societies, the obvious and most practical way for men
to ensure that they invested only in their own children was to dictate
and restrict women's sexual behavior. Throughout patriarchal history,
society has guaranteed men's paternity by controlling women's
reproductive capacity. Here's a list of some common ways this happened,
and still happens today in various countries: (examples listed)

...

The idea of rape as a crime against women is relatively new. It was only
in 1993 that the United Nations finally designated rape as a war crime.
That's because under patriarchy, rape in war is used as a way to
dishonor and vanquish the (male) enemy. Marital rape only recently
became a crime in western countries, because it was a wife's duty to
submit to her husband and bear his children. Rape in general is an
opportunity for the rapist to father a child and thereby establish his
right to paternity by out-competing other men.

...

In the abortion debate, most anti-abortionists allow exceptions for rape
and incest. This makes no sense if all life is sacred, but it fits the
male paternity theory perfectly because these pregnancies represent
unauthorized paternity.
...

The traditional patriarchal systems that control women's sexuality and
reproduction are still widely protected today by laws, policies,
customs, cultures, religions, and even by most individual men and women.
By definition, those who enforce these right-wing, restrictive norms are
opposed to a woman's right to autonomy - the right to control her own
body and her fertility.

The article concludes by saying that a woman deciding to have an abortion is the ultimate insult to male authority.

That is not an article, it is an essay. You should learn the difference.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Of course no one would risk killing a newborn baby. But if you had the choice between killing a toddler and killing an 8 week old fetus, the decision would be easier - for most.

Would it?

Suppose the toddler was a child you have never seen, and will never see, on the other side of the world, and the fetus is a child you have been trying to have unsuccessfully for over 10 years. The answer would be just as simple, but exactly the opposite of the one you thought. Admit it, you really aren't qualified to parse situational ethics, you don't think about all the possibilities.

Actually it would still be very simple for me. I wouldnt even hesitate. One is a human the others are not.

I'm actually horrified to think there are people out there who would not save that child, but I guess there are no limits to what people will do.

You are lying.