GOP Mandate To Repeal Obamacare

[TheGreatGatsby]

"Mandate" - an excuse used by both parties to justify cramming their agendas down our throats..

It's true that parties and politicians liberally use the term now; but the reality is Obamacare was forced on us quite literally. And people hate that bloated pile of shit.

I do too. But the point remains, ours is a divided country, and one day a smart party will realize that and govern accordingly.
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Dn't know about one day. I think both parties have their corporate overlords. And frankly, Americans willfully accept it rather than taking back their government.

 

[anotherlife]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

 

[anotherlife]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

 

[Eaglewings]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance..

That is a crazy ass concept..

What brought us down was the law that Emergency Rooms had to see everybody and anybody including illegals..and they never pay the bills because it is so expensive ...
So our medical costs go sky high.

 

[Care4all]

Republicans LOST 6 seats in the House, and Republicans LOST 2 seats in the Senate, and Democrats GAINED in both =

not really any kind of mandate.... they had more of a mandate in the last 114th Congress than they do in this one.

 

[rdean]

With all these Dem Congressmen being thrown out on their asses, the GOP majorities in both houses have a MANDATE to repeal Obamacare.

News from The Associated Press

GOP lost two seats in the Senate and 6 in the House. Trump lost the popular vote.

How does that spell out "mandate".

Oh, you mean you are a man and had a date with another man? I don't think it works that way.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance.

Define the concept of insurance for me. What does insurance do, as defined?

Just curious.

 

[anotherlife]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance..

That is a crazy ass concept..

What brought us down was the law that Emergency Rooms had to see everybody and anybody including illegals..and they never pay the bills because it is so expensive ...
So our medical costs go sky high.

I agree that Ronald reagans law of forcing emergency rooms to treat everyone is a huge problem. But also, insurance companies must produce shareholder value, in terms of cash flow, otherwise they can't exist. Every insurance, medical or not, produces this cash flow, by betting the finite probability of filing claims against premiums. If the claim probability is 100%, then this bet can only fail. Good luck getting a car insurance for example after you crash your car. How can you expect health insurance to be any different? Mathematically impossible. Even in a national scheme, only there you can make taxes out of it.

 

[Divine Wind]

- 3,000,000 votes = no mandate

Trump will probably keep the important parts anywyas since he said he likes a lot of it. Maybe the GOP will do their jobs now and try to improve the system instead of sabotaging it to increase the pain to the average citizen. Since now they can't pass the buck on it.

I tend to agree here. President Trump and the Republican Congress won't repeal anything until they have something to replace it with. Even Trump said that: Healthcare Reform
However, it is not enough to simply repeal this terrible legislation. We will work with Congress to make sure we have a series of reforms ready for implementation that follow free market principles and that will restore economic freedom and certainty to everyone in this country. By following free market principles and working together to create sound public policy that will broaden healthcare access, make healthcare more affordable and improve the quality of the care available to all Americans.

Any reform effort must begin with Congress. Since Obamacare became law, conservative Republicans have been offering reforms that can be delivered individually or as part of more comprehensive reform efforts. In the remaining sections of this policy paper, several reforms will be offered that should be considered by Congress so that on the first day of the Trump Administration, we can start the process of restoring faith in government and economic liberty to the people.

Congress must act.

 

[Divine Wind]

Define the concept of insurance for me. What does insurance do, as defined?

Just curious.

Insurance is legalized gambling. You're betting you'll collect on something for cheaper than you paid in insurance and the insurance company is betting you won't. Actuaries are oddsmakers and actuarial tables are the odds they use when setting prices for "bets".

https://www.johnhancockinsurance.com/life/life-expectancy-tool.aspx#ltc

Life Expectancy Tables - Actuarial Life Tables | Life Expectancy Calculator:

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

With all these Dem Congressmen being thrown out on their asses, the GOP majorities in both houses have a MANDATE to repeal Obamacare.

News from The Associated Press

GOP lost two seats in the Senate and 6 in the House. Trump lost the popular vote.

How does that spell out "mandate".

Oh, you mean you are a man and had a date with another man? I don't think it works that way.

Keep your homosexual erotica to yourself, you dirty old queer.

 

[BULLDOG]

With all these Dem Congressmen being thrown out on their asses, the GOP majorities in both houses have a MANDATE to repeal Obamacare.

News from The Associated Press

They won't repeal healthcare. They will have a vote claiming thy are repealing it, but it won'y go into effect for years. In the mean time they will fix the things needing fixing, like they should have already done, and change the name to something else, and the RWNJs are so dumb till they will think they got what they were promised.

 

[Eaglewings]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance.

Define the concept of insurance for me. What does insurance do, as defined?

Just curious.

You buy insurance for a catastrophe mostly, at least this is what kind of insurance we carry on our home, cars, fire, health

Now before the law, the medical corruption kicked them off insurance ( or they had to keep working through cancer ect.} used up life savings and then stopped treatment left to die. Happened all of the time...

 

[Eaglewings]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance..

That is a crazy ass concept..

What brought us down was the law that Emergency Rooms had to see everybody and anybody including illegals..and they never pay the bills because it is so expensive ...
So our medical costs go sky high.

I agree that Ronald reagans law of forcing emergency rooms to treat everyone is a huge problem. But also, insurance companies must produce shareholder value, in terms of cash flow, otherwise they can't exist. Every insurance, medical or not, produces this cash flow, by betting the finite probability of filing claims against premiums. If the claim probability is 100%, then this bet can only fail. Good luck getting a car insurance for example after you crash your car. How can you expect health insurance to be any different? Mathematically impossible. Even in a national scheme, only there you can make taxes out of it.

So a kid that got Juvenile Type 1 Diabetes. is pure out of luck for the rest of their life....?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance.

Define the concept of insurance for me. What does insurance do, as defined?

Just curious.

You buy insurance for a catastrophe mostly, at least this is what kind of insurance we carry on our home, cars, fire, health

Now before the law, the medical corruption kicked them off insurance ( or they had to keep working through cancer ect.} used up life savings and then stopped treatment left to die. Happened all of the time...

No. By definition, insurance is an assumption of risk on the part of the insurance company.

Do you know what an assumption of risk is?

 

[anotherlife]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance..

That is a crazy ass concept..

What brought us down was the law that Emergency Rooms had to see everybody and anybody including illegals..and they never pay the bills because it is so expensive ...
So our medical costs go sky high.

I agree that Ronald reagans law of forcing emergency rooms to treat everyone is a huge problem. But also, insurance companies must produce shareholder value, in terms of cash flow, otherwise they can't exist. Every insurance, medical or not, produces this cash flow, by betting the finite probability of filing claims against premiums. If the claim probability is 100%, then this bet can only fail. Good luck getting a car insurance for example after you crash your car. How can you expect health insurance to be any different? Mathematically impossible. Even in a national scheme, only there you can make taxes out of it.

So a kid that got Juvenile Type 1 Diabetes. is pure out of luck for the rest of their life....?

Unless you are a communist, you would see that not everyone is born equal or able to draw equality, so pretty much the entire planet has been shuffling all kinds of lives in this fashion for the past 1 billion years.

 

[Eaglewings]

Those who are for repealing obamacare are all on Medicare. So, when proposing the repeal of obamacare, we should also propose the simultaneous repeal of Medicare / Medicaid. Hehe. That way all those phony anti obamacare bullies will run away immediately.

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance..

That is a crazy ass concept..

What brought us down was the law that Emergency Rooms had to see everybody and anybody including illegals..and they never pay the bills because it is so expensive ...
So our medical costs go sky high.

I agree that Ronald reagans law of forcing emergency rooms to treat everyone is a huge problem. But also, insurance companies must produce shareholder value, in terms of cash flow, otherwise they can't exist. Every insurance, medical or not, produces this cash flow, by betting the finite probability of filing claims against premiums. If the claim probability is 100%, then this bet can only fail. Good luck getting a car insurance for example after you crash your car. How can you expect health insurance to be any different? Mathematically impossible. Even in a national scheme, only there you can make taxes out of it.

So a kid that got Juvenile Type 1 Diabetes. is pure out of luck for the rest of their life....?

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance.

Define the concept of insurance for me. What does insurance do, as defined?

Just curious.

You buy insurance for a catastrophe mostly, at least this is what kind of insurance we carry on our home, cars, fire, health

Now before the law, the medical corruption kicked them off insurance ( or they had to keep working through cancer ect.} used up life savings and then stopped treatment left to die. Happened all of the time...

No. By definition, insurance is an assumption of risk on the part of the insurance company.

Do you know what an assumption of risk is?

No I don't know what assumption of risk is...but it sounds like a tricky way to get money and not pay out when needed...

 

[Eaglewings]

I am not on Medicare or Medicaid.

Well, obamacare would have worked in its original form, but when stupidity was hammered into it, like covering pre existing conditions, the whole thing crashed. Many countries have national health schemes. Only a special section of those ever cover pre existing conditions. National health schemes, such as obamacare, should all be only to do quick repairs, like sport injuries and flu/cold patch ups, like they do in every country, but the private insurers can't cover it because it always happens.

So you think it is ok for the insurance companies to deny you if you are a Type 1 diabetic, or a life long childhood condition?
Or kick cancer people off treatment because they were denied for insurance..

That is a crazy ass concept..

What brought us down was the law that Emergency Rooms had to see everybody and anybody including illegals..and they never pay the bills because it is so expensive ...
So our medical costs go sky high.

I agree that Ronald reagans law of forcing emergency rooms to treat everyone is a huge problem. But also, insurance companies must produce shareholder value, in terms of cash flow, otherwise they can't exist. Every insurance, medical or not, produces this cash flow, by betting the finite probability of filing claims against premiums. If the claim probability is 100%, then this bet can only fail. Good luck getting a car insurance for example after you crash your car. How can you expect health insurance to be any different? Mathematically impossible. Even in a national scheme, only there you can make taxes out of it.

So a kid that got Juvenile Type 1 Diabetes. is pure out of luck for the rest of their life....?

Unless you are a communist, you would see that not everyone is born equal or able to draw equality, so pretty much the entire planet has been shuffling all kinds of lives in this fashion for the past 1 billion years.

Oh so why do you think it is ok for these politicians to steal money from us, and have the best medical insurance possible, but forget the little kid...Oh come on...I disagree very much so..

 

[Eaglewings]

The insurance companies are corrupt as hell, along with the Big Pharma.

The people we have in office are making laws so they can steal more off of our illnesses...

I don't see you mentioning this at all,it is just luck...lol...