GOP Hopeful, Rand Paul, compares the right to health care to slavery...

[Derideo_Te]

You have no "right" to healthcare.

So no one has a "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?

 

[bendog]

The main point being made is that today is Rand Paul's turn to capture headlines by saying stupid stuff that patronizes the rw nut base.

Well, I think the link was an old one. But, it brings up an odd point. Rand complains that the fed govt could tell him who to treat and how much to charge. But the fed govt already pretty well sets the amount private insures will pay for a procedure. I don't see why the federal govt couldn't tell docs they have to take the medicare rate and not charge individuals more ..... BECAUSE the govt already does that with Medicaid.

 

[Spare_change]

Right, the US signed the UN Declaration of Human rights in late 1940s which included ... So Rand knew when he became a doctor and so did everyone else... So he choose his profession knowing this...

This is like a guy becoming a soldier and saying it is slavery to go to war...

Saying that who is forcing him to treat people?

I got a simplified version of the UN Declaration of Human Rights

This simplified version of the 30 Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been created especially for young people.

1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way.

2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences.

3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety.

4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave.

5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us.

6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you!

7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly.

8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly.

9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country.

10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do.

11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true.

12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason.

13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish.

14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe.

15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.

16. Marriage and Family. Every grown-up has the right to marry and have a family if they want to. Men and women have the same rights when they are married, and when they are separated.

17. The Right to Your Own Things. Everyone has the right to own things or share them. Nobody should take our things from us without a good reason.

18. Freedom of Thought. We all have the right to believe in what we want to believe, to have a religion, or to change it if we want.

19. Freedom of Expression. We all have the right to make up our own minds, to think what we like, to say what we think, and to share our ideas with other people.

20. The Right to Public Assembly. We all have the right to meet our friends and to work together in peace to defend our rights. Nobody can make us join a group if we don’t want to.

21. The Right to Democracy. We all have the right to take part in the government of our country. Every grown-up should be allowed to choose their own leaders.

22. Social Security. We all have the right to affordable housing, medicine, education, and childcare, enough money to live on and medical help if we are ill or old.

23. Workers’ Rights. Every grown-up has the right to do a job, to a fair wage for their work, and to join a trade union.

24. The Right to Play. We all have the right to rest from work and to relax.

25. Food and Shelter for All. We all have the right to a good life. Mothers and children, people who are old, unemployed or disabled, and all people have the right to be cared for.

26. The Right to Education. Education is a right. Primary school should be free. We should learn about the United Nations and how to get on with others. Our parents can choose what we learn.

27. Copyright. Copyright is a special law that protects one’s own artistic creations and writings; others cannot make copies without permission. We all have the right to our own way of life and to enjoy the good things that art, science and learning bring.

28. A Fair and Free World. There must be proper order so we can all enjoy rights and freedoms in our own country and all over the world.

29. Responsibility. We have a duty to other people, and we should protect their rights and freedoms.

30. No One Can Take Away Your Human Rights.


Funny how the only reference to healthcare says that it should be affordable (a decidedly capitalistic position) ---- I guess that makes your post a FAIL.

 

[The Rabbi]

The statement was ignorant and short sighted. He understands neither "the right to healthcare" or "slavery."

Is that self referential? Because your statement is ignorant and short-sighted, whatever that's supposed to mean

 

[The Rabbi]

How is he wrong? A "right" is something you have that cannot be abridged. It is not something you can force others to provide for you. You have the right, for example, to free political speech. That means you can say whatever you want to about a politician. You don't, though, have the right to force your neighbor to pay for commercial time so you can say those things on TV. You can have the "right" to healthcare to the extent that no one can legally prevent you from accessing it, but forcing your neighbor to pay for your health insurance is not a right. Forcing one person to work for another person is.....

If a person doesn't have access to health care they can die. A person has the right to live.

If you disagree then all yours and conservatives screaming about abortion and right to life is just the lie I've believed it is for many decades.

If a person doesnt have food he'll die. Is there a right to food? If a person doesnt have clothing he'll die. Is there a right to clothing?
Logical fallacies are all the Left has.

 

[Spare_change]

The main point being made is that today is Rand Paul's turn to capture headlines by saying stupid stuff that patronizes the rw nut base.

Well, I think the link was an old one. But, it brings up an odd point. Rand complains that the fed govt could tell him who to treat and how much to charge. But the fed govt already pretty well sets the amount private insures will pay for a procedure. I don't see why the federal govt couldn't tell docs they have to take the medicare rate and not charge individuals more ..... BECAUSE the govt already does that with Medicaid.

Actually, the government doesn't set insurers payments - that is determined by the market. The government does, however, have the right to determine Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare payments (since they are the insurer).

Commercial insurance is a contract between the doctor and the insurer - that is why your doctor will accept some insurances and not others.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I know you graduated from a government school controlled by the education wing of the democrat party....so you don't understand history, the truth or reality......but how is Rand Paul being against the government setting doctors wages being pro fucking slavery.....do you even think before you post....

Oh...I get it....you think you just have to say Ramd Paul is pro slavery....then your lefty nitwit fellow travelers will take up that point up and repeat it like trained seals and then the democrats in the main stream press will push the idea and wherever he goes they will ask him..." Senator Paul...why do you support slavery" and then your smear job will be complete....

You leftists,are vile and disgusting human beings....

It is logical to speculate that Rand Paul would have been a states right champion from Kentucky in the 1800's,

which makes it therefore logical to speculate that he would have supported his state's right to keep slavery legal.

This poster knows nothing about the history of states' rights in battling slavery and so cannot be taken seriously on the issue.

The history of states' rights in trying to preserve slavery is what you should have said.

Where? Slavery was a federally protected right, so why would it need preserved? Many northern states, Wisconsin for example, decided to exercise their states' rights and nullify and refuse to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. But you had no idea about that did you?

Ableman v. Booth How State Nullification Can Defy Tyrannical Government

That's an interesting link. I had known that southern states, like Mississippi, stated one reason supporting seceding was northern states not applying the fugitive slave act, but I either didn't know, or had forgotten, it required a non-judicial hearing to identify a run away slave where the slave didn't even get to speak. I had thought that the northern states just refused to apply state dollars to enforcing a federal law, like some states now refuse to prosecuted pot crimes. But the feds can still use federal courts to enforce federal law, so there's no nullification involved.

Still, nullification is unconstitutional..

Then I suppose all of those slaves should have been returned, but where is that written?

 

[hadit]

How is he wrong? A "right" is something you have that cannot be abridged. It is not something you can force others to provide for you. You have the right, for example, to free political speech. That means you can say whatever you want to about a politician. You don't, though, have the right to force your neighbor to pay for commercial time so you can say those things on TV. You can have the "right" to healthcare to the extent that no one can legally prevent you from accessing it, but forcing your neighbor to pay for your health insurance is not a right. Forcing one person to work for another person is.....

If a person doesn't have access to health care they can die. A person has the right to live.

If you disagree then all yours and conservatives screaming about abortion and right to life is just the lie I've believed it is for many decades.

On the contrary, you have the right to access healthcare. No one will stop you. What you DON'T have the right to do is force other people to pay for it. That would be no different from going into your neighbor's house and taking his money at gunpoint to pay for your Viagra. And, your last sentence is beyond stupid, thus ignored.

 

[hadit]

How is he wrong? A "right" is something you have that cannot be abridged. It is not something you can force others to provide for you. You have the right, for example, to free political speech. That means you can say whatever you want to about a politician. You don't, though, have the right to force your neighbor to pay for commercial time so you can say those things on TV. You can have the "right" to healthcare to the extent that no one can legally prevent you from accessing it, but forcing your neighbor to pay for your health insurance is not a right. Forcing one person to work for another person is.....

If a person doesn't have access to health care they can die. A person has the right to live.

If you disagree then all yours and conservatives screaming about abortion and right to life is just the lie I've believed it is for many decades.

If a person doesnt have food he'll die. Is there a right to food? If a person doesnt have clothing he'll die. Is there a right to clothing?
Logical fallacies are all the Left has.

I need a car to get to work. I demand a Lexus.

 

[bendog]

The main point being made is that today is Rand Paul's turn to capture headlines by saying stupid stuff that patronizes the rw nut base.

Well, I think the link was an old one. But, it brings up an odd point. Rand complains that the fed govt could tell him who to treat and how much to charge. But the fed govt already pretty well sets the amount private insures will pay for a procedure. I don't see why the federal govt couldn't tell docs they have to take the medicare rate and not charge individuals more ..... BECAUSE the govt already does that with Medicaid.

Actually, the government doesn't set insurers payments - that is determined by the market. The government does, however, have the right to determine Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare payments (since they are the insurer).

Commercial insurance is a contract between the doctor and the insurer - that is why your doctor will accept some insurances and not others.

Actually, what occurs is private insurers just go with the medicare rates.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/31/5/965.abstract?sid=6b650a54-26fe-4474-98a9-d8945f8e692e

Some doctor groups take the medicare rate without trying to charge seniors more. Doctors are explicitly prohibited from charging more that Medicaid rates.

Whether docs charge you more than your private insurer charges is negotiated.

But the point was, most insurers just go with the medicare rates.

And, constitutionally, Medicaid can cap what a doc can charge for a service ... if he wants to provide services Medicaid pays for. So, with single payor, docs could choose between taking what the govt offers ... or moving to Belize or somewhere.

 

[Derideo_Te]

How is he wrong? A "right" is something you have that cannot be abridged. It is not something you can force others to provide for you. You have the right, for example, to free political speech. That means you can say whatever you want to about a politician. You don't, though, have the right to force your neighbor to pay for commercial time so you can say those things on TV. You can have the "right" to healthcare to the extent that no one can legally prevent you from accessing it, but forcing your neighbor to pay for your health insurance is not a right. Forcing one person to work for another person is.....

If a person doesn't have access to health care they can die. A person has the right to live.

If you disagree then all yours and conservatives screaming about abortion and right to life is just the lie I've believed it is for many decades.

On the contrary, you have the right to access healthcare. No one will stop you. What you DON'T have the right to do is force other people to pay for it. That would be no different from going into your neighbor's house and taking his money at gunpoint to pay for your Viagra. And, your last sentence is beyond stupid, thus ignored.

Taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society!

Your puerile argument is like claiming that everyone who works for the government is "enslaved" because they are being "forced to work for others" using "other people to pay for" their salaries.

 

[OKTexas]

Where in the constitution is the right to healthcare found?

The exact same place that says one who refuses to labor has a right to the fruits of the labor of others.

 

[The Wolf]

Eh just point and laugh at him like most people do as the GOP continues its march to obscurity.

 

[OKTexas]

How is he wrong? A "right" is something you have that cannot be abridged. It is not something you can force others to provide for you. You have the right, for example, to free political speech. That means you can say whatever you want to about a politician. You don't, though, have the right to force your neighbor to pay for commercial time so you can say those things on TV. You can have the "right" to healthcare to the extent that no one can legally prevent you from accessing it, but forcing your neighbor to pay for your health insurance is not a right. Forcing one person to work for another person is.....

If a person doesn't have access to health care they can die. A person has the right to live.

If you disagree then all yours and conservatives screaming about abortion and right to life is just the lie I've believed it is for many decades.

And part of life is accepting the fact that your circumstances are a result of your own decisions, if you fail to act in a manner where you can sustain your life does not make the problem of others.

That being said, we as a society have always provided a safety net and help for a person to get on their feet, we are not however required to provide every service to make those who make bad decisions comfortable in their failure.

 

[OKTexas]

Slavery forced the sale of the children of slaves. Slavery many times lead to sexual assault and rape. Slavery enabled Masters to use lethal punishment when ever they wished.

So basically, Paul does not understand slavery. If he does make the General, which I doubt he does, this statement will be used against him.

What a fucking idiot you are. Slavery takes many forms and the crap you're spewing are the extremes, get a fucking clue already.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Food, clothing and shelter are rights! Dems have the right to live where they please regardless of ability to pay

 

[Luddly Neddite]

He is 100% correct. You have no "right" to healthcare.

And yet, he has a "right" to that very same health care except that he doesn't have to pay for himself.

That's what the taxpayers (slaves) are for.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Food, clothing and shelter are rights! Dems have the right to live where they please regardless of ability to pay

We give children an education regardless of their parents' ability to pay.

I guess that should go too.

 

[OKTexas]

He is 100% correct. You have no "right" to healthcare.

And yet, he has a "right" to that very same health care except that he doesn't have to pay for himself.

That's what the taxpayers (slaves) are for.

How about you read this so you won't be so fucking ignorant.

Health Care for Members of Congress

 

[bendog]

guys, education healthcare whatever are not constitutional rights.

But notice it was Randian Paul complaining about being made a slave. That's the hilarity.