Gone- But Not Forgotten

[Coyote]

No, Muslims commit rape just like any other human group.

Untrue.

You know as well as I do that the ugly creed you follow calls for rape of non Muslims

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

This is undoubtedly why you have always laughed about the plight of the children your people rape.

Wasn’t sure what that verse was supposed have meant..so I looked it up. Maybe you should have also. Then you wouldn’t look like a moron. It’s the same hate drive sloppiness that you used when labeling Larry Nasser a Muslim.

Rape is rape, all cultures do it.

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Sahiha International: And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pickthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Shakir: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise.

Mohsin Khan: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Arberry: and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise.

 

[irosie91]

No, Muslims commit rape just like any other human group.

Untrue.

You know as well as I do that the ugly creed you follow calls for rape of non Muslims

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

This is undoubtedly why you have always laughed about the plight of the children your people rape.

Wasn’t sure what that verse was supposed have meant..so I looked it up. Maybe you should have also. Then you wouldn’t look like a moron. It’s the same hate drive sloppiness that you used when labeling Larry Nasser a Muslim.

Rape is rape, all cultures do it.

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Sahiha International: And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pickthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Shakir: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise.

Mohsin Khan: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Arberry: and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise.

what point do you imagine you made Coyote------the verses all say the same thing-----if you have enslaved a woman by virtue of winning a battle----
or by buying her or by any other legal means like -----the death of the father of a dhimmi-----you can screw her whether she wants it or not------in the civilized world we call that rape--------enslaving a woman in battle INCLUDES claiming a non-muslim--------since technically muslims are at war with non muslims who do not agree to be enslaved and pay jizya RIGHT HAND OWNS is a person legally
OWNED according to Islamic law--------like a non muslim found walking around

 

[Coyote]

No, Muslims commit rape just like any other human group.

Untrue.

You know as well as I do that the ugly creed you follow calls for rape of non Muslims

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

This is undoubtedly why you have always laughed about the plight of the children your people rape.

Wasn’t sure what that verse was supposed have meant..so I looked it up. Maybe you should have also. Then you wouldn’t look like a moron. It’s the same hate drive sloppiness that you used when labeling Larry Nasser a Muslim.

Rape is rape, all cultures do it.

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Sahiha International: And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pickthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Shakir: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise.

Mohsin Khan: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Arberry: and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise.

what point do you imagine you made Coyote------the verses all say the same thing-----if you have enslaved a woman by virtue of winning a battle----
or by buying her or by any other legal means like -----the death of the father of a dhimmi-----you can screw her whether she wants it or not------in the civilized world we call that rape--------enslaving a woman in battle INCLUDES claiming a non-muslim--------since technically muslims are at war with non muslims who do not agree to be enslaved and pay jizya RIGHT HAND OWNS is a person legally
OWNED according to Islamic law--------like a non muslim found walking around

So what you are saying is that rape was the way of warfare in ancient cultures. Including, presumably the Jews if the Old Testament is anything to go by. They got pretty nasty. Is any of it relevant? Doubtful, since the whole claim of rape jihad is a canard promoted by Islamophobes,

 

[irosie91]

No, Muslims commit rape just like any other human group.

Untrue.

You know as well as I do that the ugly creed you follow calls for rape of non Muslims

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

This is undoubtedly why you have always laughed about the plight of the children your people rape.

Wasn’t sure what that verse was supposed have meant..so I looked it up. Maybe you should have also. Then you wouldn’t look like a moron. It’s the same hate drive sloppiness that you used when labeling Larry Nasser a Muslim.

Rape is rape, all cultures do it.

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Sahiha International: And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pickthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Shakir: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise.

Mohsin Khan: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Arberry: and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise.

what point do you imagine you made Coyote------the verses all say the same thing-----if you have enslaved a woman by virtue of winning a battle----
or by buying her or by any other legal means like -----the death of the father of a dhimmi-----you can screw her whether she wants it or not------in the civilized world we call that rape--------enslaving a woman in battle INCLUDES claiming a non-muslim--------since technically muslims are at war with non muslims who do not agree to be enslaved and pay jizya RIGHT HAND OWNS is a person legally
OWNED according to Islamic law--------like a non muslim found walking around

So what you are saying is that rape was the way of warfare in ancient cultures. Including, presumably the Jews if the Old Testament is anything to go by. They got pretty nasty. Is any of it relevant? Doubtful, since the whole claim of rape jihad is a canard promoted by Islamophobes,

the OLD TESTAMENT does not describe rape as a way of warfare. Your sunday school teacher lied Where did the discussion take you to ANCIENT CULTURES-----I described a situation that took place in the mid 1930s to early 1940s. You must be VERY young to consider 1940 to be ANCIENT CULTURE. BTW---the dhimmi orphan law is STILL ON THE BOOKS and the mass rape and murder spree carried out in the name of ALLAH in east Pakistan took place circa 1970. I IS OLD ---seems like yesterday to me. You seem disoriented TIMES 3 time place and person-----its a serious finding

 

[Coyote]

No, Muslims commit rape just like any other human group.

Untrue.

You know as well as I do that the ugly creed you follow calls for rape of non Muslims

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

This is undoubtedly why you have always laughed about the plight of the children your people rape.

Wasn’t sure what that verse was supposed have meant..so I looked it up. Maybe you should have also. Then you wouldn’t look like a moron. It’s the same hate drive sloppiness that you used when labeling Larry Nasser a Muslim.

Rape is rape, all cultures do it.

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Sahiha International: And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pickthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Shakir: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise.

Mohsin Khan: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Arberry: and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise.

what point do you imagine you made Coyote------the verses all say the same thing-----if you have enslaved a woman by virtue of winning a battle----
or by buying her or by any other legal means like -----the death of the father of a dhimmi-----you can screw her whether she wants it or not------in the civilized world we call that rape--------enslaving a woman in battle INCLUDES claiming a non-muslim--------since technically muslims are at war with non muslims who do not agree to be enslaved and pay jizya RIGHT HAND OWNS is a person legally
OWNED according to Islamic law--------like a non muslim found walking around

So what you are saying is that rape was the way of warfare in ancient cultures. Including, presumably the Jews if the Old Testament is anything to go by. They got pretty nasty. Is any of it relevant? Doubtful, since the whole claim of rape jihad is a canard promoted by Islamophobes,

the OLD TESTAMENT does not describe rape as a way of warfare. Your sunday school teacher lied Where did the discussion take you to ANCIENT CULTURES-----I described a situation that took place in the mid 1930s to early 1940s. You must be VERY young to consider 1940 to be ANCIENT CULTURE. BTW---the dhimmi orphan law is STILL ON THE BOOKS and the mass rape and murder spree carried out in the name of ALLAH in east Pakistan took place circa 1970. I IS OLD ---seems like yesterday to me. You seem disoriented TIMES 3 time place and person-----its a serious finding

Now you are all looney tunes Rosie.

 

[irosie91]

Untrue.

You know as well as I do that the ugly creed you follow calls for rape of non Muslims

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

This is undoubtedly why you have always laughed about the plight of the children your people rape.

Wasn’t sure what that verse was supposed have meant..so I looked it up. Maybe you should have also. Then you wouldn’t look like a moron. It’s the same hate drive sloppiness that you used when labeling Larry Nasser a Muslim.

Rape is rape, all cultures do it.

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Sahiha International: And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pickthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Shakir: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise.

Mohsin Khan: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Arberry: and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise.

what point do you imagine you made Coyote------the verses all say the same thing-----if you have enslaved a woman by virtue of winning a battle----
or by buying her or by any other legal means like -----the death of the father of a dhimmi-----you can screw her whether she wants it or not------in the civilized world we call that rape--------enslaving a woman in battle INCLUDES claiming a non-muslim--------since technically muslims are at war with non muslims who do not agree to be enslaved and pay jizya RIGHT HAND OWNS is a person legally
OWNED according to Islamic law--------like a non muslim found walking around

So what you are saying is that rape was the way of warfare in ancient cultures. Including, presumably the Jews if the Old Testament is anything to go by. They got pretty nasty. Is any of it relevant? Doubtful, since the whole claim of rape jihad is a canard promoted by Islamophobes,

the OLD TESTAMENT does not describe rape as a way of warfare. Your sunday school teacher lied Where did the discussion take you to ANCIENT CULTURES-----I described a situation that took place in the mid 1930s to early 1940s. You must be VERY young to consider 1940 to be ANCIENT CULTURE. BTW---the dhimmi orphan law is STILL ON THE BOOKS and the mass rape and murder spree carried out in the name of ALLAH in east Pakistan took place circa 1970. I IS OLD ---seems like yesterday to me. You seem disoriented TIMES 3 time place and person-----its a serious finding

Now you are all looney tunes Rosie.

try again, Coyote----My comment is completely accurate. I am amazed at your inability to understand simple English------and your extreme youth. You seem to like to provide verses-----where does the OLD TESTAMENT advise rape in warfare?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Now you are all looney tunes Rosie.

You want to deliver children into the hands of your Islamist rapist heroes so bad you can almost taste it, don't you?

 

[irosie91]

Now you are all looney tunes Rosie.

You want to deliver children into the hands of your Islamist rapist heroes so bad you can almost taste it, don't you?

she does not know how SYMBOLIC is rape in the Islamic ethos----
RAPE MEANS VICTORY. Way back in 1967 ----may. arab army
officers were assuring their men that they would soon be raping the
girls of Tel Aviv........then in June-------they were assuring their men that
they had WON THE WAR ------since there were no Israeli soldiers
raping the girls in CAIRO

 

[Capri]

There's no such thing as a modern day Nazi.

Technically, you're right. In practice, there is such a thing as a modern-day "Nazi" as there are National Socialist parties and organizations extant in much of the Western world. The largest American group doesn't want "NAZI" applied to it, for the reason noted above, while the second largest embraces it.

Are they into Eugenics? German style?

No.
Also, eugenics was an American thing. Hitler, et al, studied American writings on it and were intrigued. It was never put into practice.

You dont have to like the targeted groups, but if you are going to stand by and support it, you need to ask yourself who will be next ? No minority is truely safe from these sentiments.

World-wide, Whites are among the smallest of minorities.Just saying...

There are a lot of Jewish bankers and financiers. That is a fact, in part because finance was on of the only occupations Christians and Muslims historically allowd them. So if a person "reports" on this, broadly implicating Jews in the typical banking world domination scenario they love to push...is that "journalism" and is he a "journalist"?

There are a lot of Jewish bankers and financiers. That is a fact ... If someone points out that fact, is that "antisemintism" and is (s)he an "antisemite?"
Banking and finance are vital to the operations of about all other business. If it's a fact that there are lot of Jewish bankers and financiers, then it's a fact that jews have a powerful influence on other businesses. If someone points this out, is that "antisemintism" and is (s)he an "antisemite?"
Banking and finance are vital to the operations of governments and have a powerful influence on government decision-makers via lobbying and money. If it's a fact that there are lot of Jewish bankers and financiers, then it's a fact that jews have a powerful influence on governments. If someone points this out, is that "antisemintism" and is (s)he an "antisemite?"

Yet you support Yaxley who’s actions are directed at Muslims (not just Paki’s), you seem to support the same rhetoric that was once directed at Jews, and is now directed at Muslims. You dodge the equivalency in tone, rhetoric, public and political sentiment that was present in the 1930’s and proclaim it false moral equivalence despite its obvious similarities.

I just find it really strange that who’s people were so brutally persecuted seems to support the same canards, rhetoric and promotion of stereotypes when directed against today’s target of choice.

It seems to me that hate and scapegoating should not be supported even benignly. When these factions are done with immigrants and Muslims, they will turn on the Jews again. It is simmering there right below the surface and governments today are scrambling to give them legitimate platforms.

That is what Yaxley represents. Not children. Not victims. But a scapegoat.

Just FYI: Yaxley's organization, the English Defense League, is since his imprisonment run by a jew.

Unfortunately this trend towards ethnic nationalism and demonizing the other is going on around the world.

Why do you believe that is?

I believe it's because, throughout the Western world, large numbers of non-native people with little or no respect for the native culture, mores, or people are entering Western countries, that this is happening in unprecedented and unsustainable numbers, and that it's been imposed on the Western peoples by their governments without the consent of the governed, i.e. the native peoples. You?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

No, Muslims commit rape just like any other human group.

Untrue.

You know as well as I do that the ugly creed you follow calls for rape of non Muslims

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

This is undoubtedly why you have always laughed about the plight of the children your people rape.

Wasn’t sure what that verse was supposed have meant..so I looked it up. Maybe you should have also. Then you wouldn’t look like a moron. It’s the same hate drive sloppiness that you used when labeling Larry Nasser a Muslim.

Rape is rape, all cultures do it.

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
Sahiha International: And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pickthall: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Yusuf Ali: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Shakir: And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Muhammad Sarwar: You are forbidden to marry married women except your slave-girls. This is the decree of God. Besides these, it is lawful for you to marry other women if you pay their dower, maintain chastity and do not commit indecency. If you marry them for the appointed time you must pay their dowries. There is no harm if you reach an understanding among yourselves about the dowry, God is All-knowing and All-wise.

Mohsin Khan: Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever AllKnowing, AllWise.

Arberry: and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise.

what point do you imagine you made Coyote------the verses all say the same thing-----if you have enslaved a woman by virtue of winning a battle----
or by buying her or by any other legal means like -----the death of the father of a dhimmi-----you can screw her whether she wants it or not------in the civilized world we call that rape--------enslaving a woman in battle INCLUDES claiming a non-muslim--------since technically muslims are at war with non muslims who do not agree to be enslaved and pay jizya RIGHT HAND OWNS is a person legally
OWNED according to Islamic law--------like a non muslim found walking around

So what you are saying is that rape was the way of warfare in ancient cultures. Including, presumably the Jews if the Old Testament is anything to go by. They got pretty nasty. Is any of it relevant? Doubtful, since the whole claim of rape jihad is a canard promoted by Islamophobes,

the OLD TESTAMENT does not describe rape as a way of warfare. Your sunday school teacher lied Where did the discussion take you to ANCIENT CULTURES-----I described a situation that took place in the mid 1930s to early 1940s. You must be VERY young to consider 1940 to be ANCIENT CULTURE. BTW---the dhimmi orphan law is STILL ON THE BOOKS and the mass rape and murder spree carried out in the name of ALLAH in east Pakistan took place circa 1970. I IS OLD ---seems like yesterday to me. You seem disoriented TIMES 3 time place and person-----its a serious finding

It is trying to claim that the rape of children chosen exclusively for their ethnicity is no different than any other rape.

In one fell swoop it is trying to normalize the rape of children as well as the practice of targeting victims based on ethnicity.


I don't think it even sees the children as human, myself. All it sees is its fellow Muslims as being worthy of protection, and so the Kaffir children might as well be non existent.

You know, I have never seen an actual American woman defend rape, much less the rape of children and the fact that it so often mocks those who object to child rape is so off the charts as to make me wonder what it really is.

The rape of children is no laughing matter. Look at any thread on the subject and you will find this thing laughing at ANY who don't like it. This is one of the techniques it uses to deride people into silence if they do not share its agenda dedicated to helping insure the rapes continue.