Golan Heights is Officially Part of Israel

[Sixties Fan]

None of the Non Jews, citizens of Israel think of themselves, and their country, as being under an Apartheid regime.

Then how do you explain the low turnout of Arab-Israeli's in the last election?

And many are proud to serve not only in government but in the Military.

Palestinian-Israeli's are not allowed to serve in the military.

Now, how are you going to get a poll from all of them and force them to say that they live under apartheid, when they are not?

From the same way you think you can speak for all of them.

1) Go ask the Arabs why some did not vote in the elections.

2) Why this Muslim Arab joined Israel's military

3) I have not spoken for any of them. I asked for you to go ask them, but you really do not care, all you want to do is accuse Israel of Apartheid ALL THE WAY from your marble tower in the USA.


So, do THEM a favor and stop speaking for them when we all know, and so do they, that you will never make any effort to find out if your accusations are true or not. That is NOT what you are here for.

You are on these threads to lay accusations, totally unfounded, against Israel, because the Jews managed to win over their Christian and Muslim enemies and legally regain sovereignty over parts of their ancient homeland.

And you and all of those Christian and Muslim Jew haters cannot STAND IT !!!!!


So, Israel is going to go on Existing, and being Successful, and be the ONLY country in the Middle East where ALL religions have the same rights.


YOU LIKE IT OR NOT !!!!!

 

[Sixties Fan]

But it’s OK to have Muslim and Arab States?

Why can you have a state, but they can't? Why are you such a fucking hypocrite?

What about Abbas who states no Israelis inside “ Palestine “ or their denial of Jews to their Holy Sites?

Abbas to Israel, is like William Barr to Donald Trump.

When they can say YES to a State, they will HAVE a State.

Since 1937 they have been saying a HUGE......NOOOOOOO!!!!!

 

[Sixties Fan]

But it’s OK to have Muslim and Arab States?

Why can you have a state, but they can't? Why are you such a fucking hypocrite?

What about Abbas who states no Israelis inside “ Palestine “ or their denial of Jews to their Holy Sites?

Abbas to Israel, is like William Barr to Donald Trump.

A definite answer from someone who has absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of what he is talking about.

All of a sudden Abbas is a "lawyer" working for Israel?

YOU are a greater joke than Abbas. Although not as wealthy.

 

[Sixties Fan]

If the shoe fits your antisemitic foot...

Why would I hate Jews?

Look back to your upbringing. The answer is definitely there.

 

[USAF 2023]

But it’s OK to have Muslim and Arab States?

Why can you have a state, but they can't? Why are you such a fucking hypocrite?

You’re the one who claims Israel is Apartheid you moron; because they want a Jewish State. Why is it OK to have Muslim, Arab and s Palestinian State but not a Jewish one you Fucking Miron?

What about Abbas who states no Israelis inside “ Palestine “ or their denial of Jews to their Holy Sites?

Abbas to Israel, is like William Barr to Donald Trump.

The Formal Position of the PLO declared by Abbas is No Israelis in Palestine.

 

[Billo_Really]

1, The enforcement of Immigration and Customs Laws at the border is NOT an "inhumane act."​

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Shooting unarmed protesters, is.

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(a) Murder;

All cases in which the crime of Murder is alledged, is investigated by Israeli Authorities. The adjudication is made by the relevent police and security services for Judical action where required. ​

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Oh please, crimes against Palestinian's are rarely ever investigated.

From Amnesty International:
Between 10pm on Monday 17 September and 8pm on Tuesday 18 September, Israeli forces killed four Palestinian men in the Gaza Strip using live ammunition . Within the same period, two more died as a result of the actions of Israeli forces in the West Bank, one after being beaten during the process of arrest and another shot dead in a busy street in East Jerusalem.

“The shocking fact that five Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli authorities and one died in their custody in just 24 hours is a chilling demonstration of the utter disregard for right to life. Several of these incidents appear to involve deliberate and wilful killing of unarmed civilians and may amount to war crimes,” said Saleh Higazi, Deputy Director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International.

“It is the fact that such crimes are rarely, if ever, punished that allows unlawful killings and other violations of the right to life to continue in shameless disregard of international law. These incidents are not new in the OPT and are likely to continue unless this cycle of impunity is broken.”

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(b) Extermination;

NONE. ​

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No extermination? Tell that to the residents of Deir Yassen.

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(c) Enslavement;

NONE. ​

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Tell the people of Gaza there is no enslavement.

(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;

NONE.​

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You're full of shit!

Israel incarcerates many West Bank and Gaza Palestinian detainees and prisoners inside Israel, violating international humanitarian law requiring that they not be transferred outside the occupied territory and complicating family visits.
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Exceptions for the administration of legal practices in the due course of obligations public order and safety and in cases where:

Claimaints committed Criminal Acts directed against a State with the intention of - or calculated to - cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities, the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population and to compel a government or an international organization to do (or to abstain from doing) some act that furthers the criminal objective. ​

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Like the Israeli response to the March of Return protesters.

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Claimants committed offences which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power. ​

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People have an inalienable right to resist the occupation of a foreign force.

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Claimants committed offences which constitute espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power. ​

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Targets of a military nature are legal.

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Claimants committed acts which constitute intentional offences causing the death of one or more persons. ​

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Like Israeli drone strikes in Gaza.

(f) Torture;

NONE. ​

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You're nuts!

Israeli forces frequently used unnecessary force against children during arrest and physically abused them in custody.​

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(h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;

Border barriers established for Israeli law enforcement agencies and security services to enforce the immigration laws and to investigate criminal and terrorist activity of any such organizations and aliens within the Soveriegnty of Israel or attempting to enter Israel. ​

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People seeking medical treatment are not terrorists.

The Israeli army limits travel out of Gaza to what it calls “exceptional humanitarian cases,” meaning mostly medical patients, their companions, and prominent businesspersons with permits. In the first eight months of 2018, the army approved only 60 percent of permit applications from Palestinians seeking medical treatment outside Gaza. In August, the Israeli Supreme Court found unlawful Israel’s practice of denying exit permits to “first-degree relatives of Hamas members.”

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Israel has the inherent right of national self-defence and to take measures necessary to maintain territorial integrity, as well as the protection of Israeli interests under agreement for peace and security elsewhere. ​

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An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

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4 The conduct was committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups.

NOT APPLICABLE. Israel has the inherent right to repel intervention in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction. ​

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We're not talking about repelling intervention, we're talking about apartheid laws.

In July, the Knesset passed the Nation State Law, a law with constitutional status that articulates for Jews alone the right of self-determination, makes it a national priority to build homes for Jews but not others, and revokes the status of Arabic as an official language of Israel.

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5. The perpetrator intended to maintain such regime by that conduct.

Israel has the right to protect and defend its existence from external and hostile activity. ​

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So do they. Door swings both ways, homie.

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6. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

NOT APPLICABLE. Every nation has the inherent right to that what actions as may be necessary to neutralize threats against the sovereignty or territorial integrity. ​

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Including Gazans.

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One last thing, fuck you and your data dumps!

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[AzogtheDefiler]

If the shoe fits your antisemitic foot...

Why would I hate Jews?

You tell me. Your posts prove it.

 

[Billo_Really]

1) Go ask the Arabs why some did not vote in the elections.

2) Why this Muslim Arab joined Israel's military

3) I have not spoken for any of them. I asked for you to go ask them, but you really do not care, all you want to do is accuse Israel of Apartheid ALL THE WAY from your marble tower in the USA.

My tower is made of pleather.

So, do THEM a favor and stop speaking for them when we all know, and so do they, that you will never make any effort to find out if your accusations are true or not. That is NOT what you are here for.

I can't speak for them, but you can?

You are on these threads to lay accusations, totally unfounded, against Israel, because the Jews managed to win over their Christian and Muslim enemies and legally regain sovereignty over parts of their ancient homeland.

What do you know? You live in China!

And you and all of those Christian and Muslim Jew haters cannot STAND IT !!!!!

Why would I hate Jews?

So, Israel is going to go on Existing, and being Successful, and be the ONLY country in the Middle East where ALL religions have the same rights.

According to the Nation State Law?

YOU LIKE IT OR NOT !!!!!

You talk like a 10 year old.

 

[Billo_Really]

When they can say YES to a State, they will HAVE a State.

Since 1937 they have been saying a HUGE......NOOOOOOO!!!!!

They said yes......Israel attacked.

 

[Billo_Really]

Look back to your upbringing. The answer is definitely there.

I grew up with a racist father. But he hated blacks, not Jews.

Got a plan B?

 

[Billo_Really]

The Formal Position of the PLO declared by Abbas is No Israelis in Palestine.

Abbas is a dumbass.

 

[Billo_Really]

You tell me. Your posts prove it.

I'm not the one who made the claim. It's your claim, you back it up!

If you claim my posts prove it, then explain why.

 

[Hollie]

The Formal Position of the PLO declared by Abbas is No Israelis in Palestine.

Abbas is a dumbass.

Yeah, but he’s your dumbass.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Golan Heights is Officially Part of Israel
⁜→ Billo_Really, Sixties Fan, et al,

Oh, please... This is just another example of disinformation.

And many are proud to serve not only in government but in the Military.

Palestinian-Israeli's are not allowed to serve in the military.

(OBSERVATION)

Arab Israelis Are Joining the IDF in Growing Numbers ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/arab-israelis-are-joining-idf...
Feb 26, 2017 · Arab Israelis Are Joining the IDF in Growing Numbers: Officials. Today it stands in the dozens, according to Sarhan. National service is compulsory in Israel, with some exemptions — three years for men and two years for women. This rule also applies to the country's non-Jewish Druze and Circassian communities.

• Author: Paul Goldman

(COMMENT)

While Arab-Israeli citizens are NOT subject to mandatory "military" service, they can volunteer for service and do so.

• VIDEO PRESENTATION: An Arab Muslim in the Israeli Army •​

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[USAF 2023]

When they can say YES to a State, they will HAVE a State.

Since 1937 they have been saying a HUGE......NOOOOOOO!!!!!

They said yes......Israel attacked.

The U.N. who DELIBERATELY left” International Territory” so Egypt could be the aggressor and Block Israel’s right to International Waters claim that Israel attacked? You are an.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Golan Heights is Officially Part of Israel
⁜→ Billo_Really, et al,

Disinformation and Misinformation (false & inaccurate information)!

Oh please, crimes against Palestinian's are rarely ever investigated.

From Amnesty International:
Between 10pm on Monday 17 September and 8pm on Tuesday 18 September, Israeli forces killed four Palestinian men in the Gaza Strip using live ammunition . Within the same period, two more died as a result of the actions of Israeli forces in the West Bank, one after being beaten during the process of arrest and another shot dead in a busy street in East Jerusalem.

“The shocking fact that five Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli authorities and one died in their custody in just 24 hours is a chilling demonstration of the utter disregard for right to life. Several of these incidents appear to involve deliberate and wilful killing of unarmed civilians and may amount to war crimes,” said Saleh Higazi, Deputy Director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International.

“It is the fact that such crimes are rarely, if ever, punished that allows unlawful killings and other violations of the right to life to continue in shameless disregard of international law. These incidents are not new in the OPT and are likely to continue unless this cycle of impunity is broken.”
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(COMMENT)

1. IDF Investigation: Samaria terrorist was shot and wounded ...
   www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/260487
   IDF Investigation: Samaria terrorist was shot and wounded during attack. ... shooting Keidan before opening fire at Israeli civilians and security personnel at the junction, then drove away in a ...
   
   
2. IDF investigating shooting of alleged car-ramming driver ...
   https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-31-2017
   IDF investigating shooting of alleged ramming driver. The IDF Military Police opens an investigation into an incident near the West Bank settlement of Halamish this morning where Israeli troops ...
   
   
3. IDF to probe shooting of terror suspect - Israel National News
   www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/239222
   The incident occurred between the Israeli city of Ariel and the Arab village of Salfit in central Samaria at approximately 1:45 p.m., after a group of IDF soldiers stationed to the south of Ariel ..

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See: IDF Shooting Investigations

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No extermination? Tell that to the residents of Deir Yassen.

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(COMMENT)

Is this all you have? Deir Yassin happened on April 9, 1948, before the termination of the Mandate, before the exit of the British Administration, and before there was even a State of Israel. The event happened over seventy years ago, during:

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This is a Blue-on-Blue event wherein both sides were Citizens of the Government of Palestine (British Administration).Book Antiqua

(c) Enslavement;

NONE. ​

Tell the people of Gaza there is no enslavement.

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(COMMENT)

Again, Disinformation and Misinformation (false & inaccurate information)!

If the Arab-Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, or Gaza Strip are under some sort of subjugation; it is a condition of their own making. There is NO principles of property law are applied to the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, or Gaza Strip. There is (absolutely) NO de jure form of property; where the Arab Palestinian is made subservient to or controlled by Israelis.

In a special point of fact, the international law states that: a Territory is considered occupied ONLY when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. NOTE: While many Israeli's disagreed with the decision, Israel executed a "unilateral disengagement" in August 2005 which involved the withdrawal of all Israeli interests from the Gaza Strip. There is no exploitation of any Arab Palestinians work product or people of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis.

(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;

NONE.​

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You're full of shit!

Israel incarcerates many West Bank and Gaza Palestinian detainees and prisoners inside Israel, violating international humanitarian law requiring that they not be transferred outside the occupied territory and complicating family visits.

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(COMMENT)

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I simply don't understand where you get these little tidbits. This is was the Customary and International Humanitarian Law has to say about the question:

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• Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Location of places of internment. Marking of camps
ARTICLE 83

The Detaining Power shall not set up places of internment in areas particularly exposed to the dangers of war.

The Detaining Power shall give the enemy Powers, through the intermediary of the Protecting Powers, all useful information regarding the geographical location of places of internment.
Whenever military considerations permit, internment camps shall be indicated by the letters IC, placed so as to be clearly visible in the daytime from the air. The Powers concerned may, however, agree upon any other system of marking. No place other than an internment camp shall be marked as such.
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The limitation is stated thusly: "No protected person (the Arab Palestinian in this case) may at any time be sent into or retained in an area particularly exposed, nor may his presence be used to protect certain points or certain areas against military operations."

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Commentary of 1958
[p.382] ARTICLE 83. -- LOCATION OF PLACES OF INTERNMENT.
PARAGRAPH 1. -- CHOICE OF SITE.
Article 28, whereas the obligation, where possible, to remove non-combatants from areas exposed to the dangers of war concerns the civilian population both in the territory of a party to the conflict (Article 38, para. 4 ) and in the occupied territory (Article 49, para. 5 ). The internees have been treated here by analogy with the prisoners of war. Since the obligation to place prisoners of war outside
danger areas had already been set forth in the 1929 Geneva Conventions (1) it was all the more necessary to give the benefit of a similar clause to civilians detained as a mere precautionary measure.
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Claimants committed offences which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power. ​

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People have an inalienable right to resist the occupation of a foreign force.

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(COMMENT)

Again, where do you get this law from?

What the Customary and International Humanitarian Law actually says is:

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• Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Penal legislation. V. Penalties. Death penalty article
68

Protected persons (that would be the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip) who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (that would be the Israelis in this case), but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offenses, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offenses were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offense.
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In other words, the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip do NOT have the right to attack Israeli personnel, facilities, installations or property. If they do so, they go to jail. It is as simple as that.

Claimants committed offences which constitute espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power. ​

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Targets of a military nature are legal.

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(COMMENT)

Just how many ways can you be wrong? They do not have any such right to attack Israeli personnel, installations, facilities or other property. (See Article 68 supra)

Claimants committed acts which constitute intentional offences causing the death of one or more persons. ​

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Like Israeli drone strikes in Gaza.

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(COMMENT)

What the International Law actually says is this: "

Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations,

Rule 97. The use of human shields is prohibited.
The Arab Palestinians involved in “utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” are committing what constitutes as a war crime.​

(f) Torture;

NONE. ​

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You're nuts!

Israeli forces frequently used unnecessary force against children during arrest and physically abused them in custody.

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(COMMENT)

They may use such force as is necessary to effect an apprehension and detention of juvenile delinquents.

(h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;

Border barriers established for Israeli law enforcement agencies and security services to enforce the immigration laws and to investigate criminal and terrorist activity of any such organizations and aliens within the Soveriegnty of Israel or attempting to enter Israel. ​

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People seeking medical treatment are not terrorists.

The Israeli army limits travel out of Gaza to what it calls “exceptional humanitarian cases,” meaning mostly medical patients, their companions, and prominent businesspersons with permits. In the first eight months of 2018, the army approved only 60 percent of permit applications from Palestinians seeking medical treatment outside Gaza. In August, the Israeli Supreme Court found unlawful Israel’s practice of denying exit permits to “first-degree relatives of Hamas members.”​

(COMMENT)

Every Arab Palestinian of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip, → by their own admission, → constitute a potential threat to the life, liberty, property, facilities, installations, and equipment.

And you admit as much by encouraging the Arab Palestinian to violence by falsely suggesting they have some sort of right to attack at will. As I've said before that (in my opinion as a layman) that people who advocate the right for Arab Palestinians to commit violence are "unindicted co-conspirators."

Security Council Resolution S/RES/1624 (2005) Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:​

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;

(b) Prevent such conduct;

(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credibleand relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have beenguilty of such conduct;​

Israel has the inherent right of national self-defence and to take measures necessary to maintain territorial integrity, as well as the protection of Israeli interests under agreement for peace and security elsewhere. ​

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

(COMMENT)

Again, this is absolute nonsense!
You are inciting violence again by suggesting that Article 68 (supra) and Article 51 (supra) do not apply. If the Arab Palestinians follow your advice and commit some act of violence because you say it is legal and the Arab Palestinians the right to do so, free from consequences, then you are as guilty as well.

I simply defy you to cite a law (an enacted and enforceable law) that substantiates your claim. (I showed you mine, not it is time for you to show me yours.)
I humbly suggest that you cannot do it. Remember that GA Resolutions like the following are NOT law:

• A/RES/3246 (XXIX) • Armed Struggle - All Means • 29 November 1974 •
• A/RES/33/24 • Armed Struggle - All Means • 29 November 1978 •

We're not talking about repelling intervention, we're talking about apartheid laws.

In July, the Knesset passed the Nation State Law, a law with constitutional status that articulates for Jews alone the right of self-determination, makes it a national priority to build homes for Jews but not others, and revokes the status of Arabic as an official language of Israel. ​

(COMMENT)

Affirmative action type law of a domestic nature, for the advancement of a national agenda, is not "apartheid." Please look-up what Apartheid means before you spout such nonsense:

"The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;
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5. The perpetrator intended to maintain such regime by that conduct.

Israel has the right to protect and defend its existence from external and hostile activity. ​

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So do they. Door swings both ways, homie.

(COMMENT)

Yes, it does. That places the obligation for "peace" on both sets of shoulders. It would be the first step towards peace if the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, took an interest in furthering Article 43 (HR 1907) restoration of public order and safety.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

Let us be aware that the source where all his, and others, allegations come from are usually known as " Conspiracy Theory " sites, be they of Christian, Muslim, Nazi, Jihadist, Atheist, origins - it really does not matter where they come from.....

All have the same intent, to misinform and spread that misinformation to any and all in order to fight Israel's existence and attempt to destroy it.

Its origins go all the way back to 1920 with the first riots against the Jews led by Al-Hussaini as the Mandate for Palestine was going to be implemented.

The terms Zionist Entity or Regime are just a Jew hater's way of saying that Israel does not exist, or does not have the right to exist, because Jews HAVE NO RIGHTS.

That is something that nearly 2000 years of Christian and Muslim "civilizations" have spread for those who want to believe in their teachings about Jews and Judaism and are very into following those beliefs.

The problem with the conflict has always been with the leaders they have had since 1920. They cannot accept anything less but the whole pie of the Mandate for Palestine, with no land AT ALL going to the Jews.

Once the Arabs of those areas are capable of actually revolting and changing their leaders and the teachings, and do away with the refugee status and UNWRA and what this organization has been set to teach generation after generation of Arabs, then......
there may be a chance for actual peace between Israel and the Arab Palestinians. Not before.

But that is something Mr. Billo and many others will never be capable of accepting, short of Israel's demise.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You tell me. Your posts prove it.

I'm not the one who made the claim. It's your claim, you back it up!

If you claim my posts prove it, then explain why.

Because you’re pro Palestine and anti Israel is one blatant example.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yeah, but he’s your dumbass.

Nice try.

 

[Billo_Really]

The U.N. who DELIBERATELY left” International Territory” so Egypt could be the aggressor and Block Israel’s right to International Waters claim that Israel attacked? You are an.

I'm not talking about that.