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Do Christians not believe that their God is also the God of the Jews?
No, Christians do not believe Jews worship the God. The Bible doesn't leave that option open, and it defies the definition of Christianity.
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Do Christians not believe that their God is also the God of the Jews?
I began to read the Koran, it became clear IMO that Allah and God/Yahweh are not the same dude.
But there is only one god and they both started out worshipping the god of Abraham.
The problem is the people and the religion they built just like Christians as well.
It is HOW they worship god.
And HOW they rationalize their actions with their religion.
Religion is a construct of man not god.
I began to read the Koran, it became clear IMO that Allah and God/Yahweh are not the same dude.
But there is only one god and they both started out worshipping the god of Abraham.
The problem is the people and the religion they built just like Christians as well.
It is HOW they worship god.
And HOW they rationalize their actions with their religion.
Religion is a construct of man not god.
****Caution* the below statement won't make any sense to an atheisit or Cammpbell***
There is a consistancey in the Bible that gives God a personality even though it was written by many different people. I don't see the same personality in the Koran at all. IMO if the Koran isn't inspired by the same personality of the Bible, then it's not the Same God. If it is supposed to be about the same God as many claim, then IMHO the Koran is clearly a human creation.
Do Christians not believe that their God is also the God of the Jews?
No, Christians do not believe Jews worship the God. The Bible doesn't leave that option open, and it defies the definition of Christianity.
Yes, they believe it, but it doesn't make it true.Okay, I misremembered something, for God did bless Ishmael. That said, the covenant is still with Issac, not Ishmael. And that does not make YWHW the same as Allah.
As Muslims believe that the God they are worshipping is the God of Abraham, and the God of Abraham is the God of the Christians, then yes, technically, they are one and the same.
Remember that No one can approach the Father save through Christ. To Islam Jesus is a prophet, nothing more. Not the Son of God, not the Savior of all mankind, not the only path to Him.
So either Allah is not the same or Christ was lying. Or there's a chance Mohammad was lying, just to be thorough.
No, Christians do not believe Jews worship the God. The Bible doesn't leave that option open, and it defies the definition of Christianity.
The God of the Jews is the God of Christians. If you do not think so you have been deceived.Do Christians not believe that their God is also the God of the Jews?
No, Christians do not believe Jews worship the God. The Bible doesn't leave that option open, and it defies the definition of Christianity.
Allah is an old arabic name for their moon god, he is not the same God of Jews and Christians.Arabic-speaking Christians say exactly that.
And what was the ancient name for God the Father?
I'll give you some hints
MichaEL
RaphaEL
GabriEL
And yes he's the same God.
The Hebrew uses the PLURAL for Elohim. In Arabic, it become Al or Allah, which means deity, god.
Blindly following a religion without understanding it's origins and how it relates to other religions and even other denominations is just sad. There's so much more to God than what they taught you in Sunday school. Go learn about Him. The only thing you have to lose is the reward of knowing God more fully.
So God is so weak or uncaring He could not protect His word from the whims of wicked men? Yeah, well so much for being Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent then.Yes, they believe it, but it doesn't make it true.As Muslims believe that the God they are worshipping is the God of Abraham, and the God of Abraham is the God of the Christians, then yes, technically, they are one and the same.
Remember that No one can approach the Father save through Christ. To Islam Jesus is a prophet, nothing more. Not the Son of God, not the Savior of all mankind, not the only path to Him.
So either Allah is not the same or Christ was lying. Or there's a chance Mohammad was lying, just to be thorough.
ot another possibility. Jesus did not write any of the bible and whomever did could have lied or been lied to.
The God of the Jews is the God of Christians. If you do not think so you have been deceived.Do Christians not believe that their God is also the God of the Jews?
No, Christians do not believe Jews worship the God. The Bible doesn't leave that option open, and it defies the definition of Christianity.
But there is only one god and they both started out worshipping the god of Abraham.
The problem is the people and the religion they built just like Christians as well.
It is HOW they worship god.
And HOW they rationalize their actions with their religion.
Religion is a construct of man not god.
****Caution* the below statement won't make any sense to an atheisit or Cammpbell***
There is a consistancey in the Bible that gives God a personality even though it was written by many different people. I don't see the same personality in the Koran at all. IMO if the Koran isn't inspired by the same personality of the Bible, then it's not the Same God. If it is supposed to be about the same God as many claim, then IMHO the Koran is clearly a human creation.
It doesnt make any sense to a Free Thinking Christian either.
The God of the Old Testment is a vengeful and wrathful possibly even meglomaniacal, the God of the New Testament is loving and forgiving.
Based on your criteria, you just condemned the Bible as a human creation ( which I actually believe it to be )
Heres the criteria:
Which God do the worshippers BELIEVE they are worshipping? Muslim, Christian and Hebrew alike all believe they are worshipping the God of Abraham, therefore, regardless of how they view the personality of that God, its the same God.
The God of the Old Testment is a vengeful and wrathful possibly even meglomaniacal, the God of the New Testament is loving and forgiving.
Which God do the worshippers BELIEVE they are worshipping? Muslim, Christian and Hebrew alike all believe they are worshipping the God of Abraham, therefore, regardless of how they view the personality of that God, its the same God.
Free Thinking Christian
Yes, they believe it, but it doesn't make it true.Okay, I misremembered something, for God did bless Ishmael. That said, the covenant is still with Issac, not Ishmael. And that does not make YWHW the same as Allah.
As Muslims believe that the God they are worshipping is the God of Abraham, and the God of Abraham is the God of the Christians, then yes, technically, they are one and the same.
Remember that No one can approach the Father save through Christ. To Islam Jesus is a prophet, nothing more. Not the Son of God, not the Savior of all mankind, not the only path to Him.
So either Allah is not the same or Christ was lying. Or there's a chance Mohammad was lying, just to be thorough.
Free Thinking Christian
You mean a Unitarian?
The God of the Old Testment is a vengeful and wrathful possibly even meglomaniacal, the God of the New Testament is loving and forgiving.
Maybe one of these days you might read the Bible yourself. God in the Old Testament was loving and forgiving. And, Jesus is the most vengeful character in the entire Bible. He's the the one that taught about eternal Hell fire, as retribution for the enemies of God - a concept not found in the Old Testament. He swore vengeance on the Jews and promised the destruction of Jerusalem in a most horrific way. The only book in the Bible that is a celebration of vengeance and wrath, Revelation, is in the New Testament, not the Old, and it was given by Jesus.
Which God do the worshippers BELIEVE they are worshipping? Muslim, Christian and Hebrew alike all believe they are worshipping the God of Abraham, therefore, regardless of how they view the personality of that God, its the same God.
From a secular perspective, it can be argued that Christians, Jews, and Muslims share the same deity. But, from a Christian perspective, this is not allowed (the proof is already given in an earlier reply).
Why are you so intolerant of religious diversity.
I am not. I am intolerant of religious intolerance.
Yeah, well, show me a case of a jihad, Crusade, or Inquisition being conducted by people who believe that and I'll take your nonsense here seriously.
Meanwhile, ask yourself this. Is God real, or is he just something people make up?
If he's real, then all ideas of him are pointing to the same reality. If he's just something people make up, then religious ideas are not pointing to the same reality because there is no reality to point to.
So what you're saying here, in effect, is that God does not really exist. The dogmatist and the atheist, at root, believe the same thing.
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Did you know the phonetic Hebrew word for Allah is:
אלה
'âlâh
aw-law'
A primitive root (rather identical with H422 through the idea of invocation); to bewail: - lament.
אלה
'âlâh
aw-law'
A primitive root; properly to adjure, that is, (usually in a bad sense) imprecate: - adjure, curse, swear.
As for equating all gods as one, it doesn't wash. Muslims know it as well, that's why their law is to kill anyone who leaves Islam for Christianity.
Sure there is a Jesus in the Islamic beliefs, but their belief is that He is no more than a prophet that was able to do a few healings. That's not all that Christ is to a Christian, not by a long shot.
Similarities in beliefs? Sure. That's what happens when a man decides he is a prophet and tries to convince the Jews and the Christians that he knows their religions better than they do and instead creates a third, mixing up all the beliefs and then claiming his book usurps all others then butchers them when they disagree.
That doesn't make it the same god. Far from it.
I hate to see someone's blind hatred and bigotry blind them to the truths that the Bible and Qur'an share.
Exodus 3:6
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
Genesis 32:9
And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, the LORD which saidst unto me, Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will deal well with thee
Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Mark 14:36
Abba, Father, he said, everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.
Romans 8:15
The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, Abba, Father.
Galatians 4:6
Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, Abba, Father.
Who wasMany missionaries branded so-called Muslim forms of worship and religious vocabulary as wrong, without knowing that virtually all quranic religious vocabulary, including the name Allah, and virtually all the forms of worship, except those specifically related to Muhammad, were used by Jews and/or Christians before they were used by Muslims.
Just sayin'