Go On Record Here About The Mandate

[JohnA]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No.

under a socialist govt YES

 

[Missourian]

I may have to amend my no.

Is it okay for the government to force you not to speed?

I mean, speeding itself hurts no one at the time you get the ticket...the penalty is designed to modify the drivers habits to supposedly lessen the chance of future danger to himself and others.

Is coercing people into buying health insurance the same, or different?

You can see how buying health insurance is similar...not having it could certainly hurt you, and it could also hurt others when you received services you couldn't pay for.

Like speeding, you could go for a long time...perhaps indefinitely without ever causing/having an accident/medical problem.

Conversely, you could kill someone/be diagnosed with brain cancer tomorrow.

Just a thought that came to me in the shower.

 

[bripat9643]

There is no mandate...only a tax.

No different than giving a tax break for buying solar panels or a hybrid.

It is different, shit-for-brains. You don't have to buy solar panels if you don't want them. Of course, that will soon change if Obama remains in office.

 

[bripat9643]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No one is ‘forced’ to buy health insurance, the tax is not punitive and is no more or less appropriate than any other taxing provision.

Yeah, right, and you aren't forced to hand over all your cash to mugger because you can choose to take a bullet instead. Stalin would love your understanding of the word "voluntary."

Be definition, the "tax" is punitive since it's penalty for not buying health insurance. Only the most servile species of government toady would claim otherwise.

For republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and the rest of the president’s enemies on the right, however, relating the facts of the issue is pointless, as they’ll blindly adhere to their partisan lies and contrivances, willfully ignorant of the truth.

You wouldn't know a fact if someone beat you to death with one.

 

[AmericanFirst]

There is no mandate...only a tax.

No different than giving a tax break for buying solar panels or a hybrid.

WRONG! It is completely different if you had any brains at all. You do not have to buy a solar panels or a hybrid car. The health care mandate forces you to buy insurance or it penalizes you, that is wrong and unconstitutional. But thanks to the idiot in charge and the idiots who support him, here we are with a socialist health care system. IDIOTS!!!!

 

[AmericanFirst]

I may have to amend my no.

Is it okay for the government to force you not to speed?

I mean, speeding itself hurts no one at the time you get the ticket...the penalty is designed to modify the drivers habits to supposedly lessen the chance of future danger to himself and others.

Is coercing people into buying health insurance the same, or different?

You can see how buying health insurance is similar...not having it could certainly hurt you, and it could also hurt others when you received services you couldn't pay for.

Like speeding, you could go for a long time...perhaps indefinitely without ever causing/having an accident/medical problem.

Conversely, you could kill someone/be diagnosed with brain cancer tomorrow.

Just a thought that came to me in the shower.

Keep trying to think, you are failing misserably. IDIOT!!!

 

[DaGoose]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

Is it okay to NOT buy health insurance when one can afford it then turn around, not pay their bill and force the rest of us to pay higher premiums? Face it. Hospitals do not "eat the costs". You and I pay for their care through higher premiums and they get off scott free.

Like it or not this will promote personal responsibility. It's about time we tell people, "You will no longer get a free ride on us. Time to pony up and pay your fair share".

 

[Plasmaball]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No one is ‘forced’ to buy health insurance, the tax is not punitive and is no more or less appropriate than any other taxing provision.

For republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and the rest of the president’s enemies on the right, however, relating the facts of the issue is pointless, as they’ll blindly adhere to their partisan lies and contrivances, willfully ignorant of the truth.

Well this isn't right. One you have three choices. Buy health insurance,have the government pay you to buy insurance,or get nothing and be taxed on it...either way one has do something.

 

[g5000]

There is no mandate...only a tax.

No different than giving a tax break for buying solar panels or a hybrid.

You think a tax break is the same thing as a tax penalty?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No one is ‘forced’ to buy health insurance, the tax is not punitive and is no more or less appropriate than any other taxing provision.

For republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and the rest of the president’s enemies on the right, however, relating the facts of the issue is pointless, as they’ll blindly adhere to their partisan lies and contrivances, willfully ignorant of the truth.

Adam_Clayton_Powell just lied. He flatly lied. Congress even called it a PENALTY. A penalty, dimwit, IS punitive.

Well c-clayton-jones has never been shown to be smart.

 

[g5000]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No one is ‘forced’ to buy health insurance, the tax is not punitive and is no more or less appropriate than any other taxing provision.

For republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and the rest of the president’s enemies on the right, however, relating the facts of the issue is pointless, as they’ll blindly adhere to their partisan lies and contrivances, willfully ignorant of the truth.

If you went to jail for thirty days for not buying insurance, and you still didn't buy insurance, would you argue you are not being forced to buy insurance?

Of course you are being forced. A penalty is coercion, pure and simple.

 

[dblack]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No one is ‘forced’ to buy health insurance ...

C, your slapping this shit against every wall you can find, but it's just not sticking. You're asking people to believe Congress passed a law it doesn't intend to enforce. It simply doesn't make sense, especially in light of the other promises made about this bill that have turned out to be lies.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No.

Then you do not like this law either, do you? Be careful.

 

[Missourian]

There is no mandate...only a tax.

No different than giving a tax break for buying solar panels or a hybrid.

It is different, shit-for-brains. You don't have to buy solar panels if you don't want them. Of course, that will soon change if Obama remains in office.

And if you choose not to buy solar panels, you don't get the tax break, therefore you pay more to the government in taxes than someone who bought them.

The healthcare tax is the liberal version of the tax break in reverse.

Instead of giving a tax break for getting health insurance, they charge you more taxes for not getting it.

 

[AmericanFirst]

There is no mandate...only a tax.

No different than giving a tax break for buying solar panels or a hybrid.

It is different, shit-for-brains. You don't have to buy solar panels if you don't want them. Of course, that will soon change if Obama remains in office.

And if you choose not to buy solar panels, you don't get the tax break, therefore you pay more to the government in taxes than someone who bought them.

The healthcare tax is the liberal version of the tax break in reverse.

Instead of giving a tax break for getting health insurance, they charge you more taxes for not getting it.

Completely different idiot and you know it.

 

[dblack]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No one is ‘forced’ to buy health insurance ...

C, your slapping this shit against every wall you can find, but it's just not sticking. You're asking people to believe Congress passed a law it doesn't intend to enforce. It simply doesn't make sense, especially in light of the other promises made about this bill that have turned out to be lies.

Here... let's explore this in some depth. As justice Roberts has made clear, the penalty for refusing the individual mandate isn't really a penalty at all, it's a tax/tax incentive combo. If you "qualify", by ponying up the money for a government approved insurance policy, you get a break on your taxes in the amounts specified previously as "penalties".

But, according to what you're claiming, even if you don't qualify for this Roberts-manufactured tax incentive, you can go ahead and claim it anyway. You can simply deduct the amount previously referred to as a 'penalty' from you taxes owed and go your merry way. You don't really expect that to fly, do you?

Listen, this law is filled with equivocation, sophistry, and lawyering. Whatever you want to call it, we're simply not buying these ridiculous claims. PPACA puts a big fat target on the people who are refusing to buy health insurance and it will get them by hook or crook.

 

[dblack]

There is no mandate...only a tax.

No different than giving a tax break for buying solar panels or a hybrid.

It is different, shit-for-brains. You don't have to buy solar panels if you don't want them. Of course, that will soon change if Obama remains in office.

And if you choose not to buy solar panels, you don't get the tax break, therefore you pay more to the government in taxes than someone who bought them.

The healthcare tax is the liberal version of the tax break in reverse.

Instead of giving a tax break for getting health insurance, they charge you more taxes for not getting it.

Just two different ways of describing the same thing.

 

[dblack]

And it would be most helpful if someone would reiterate they argument about why it is okay that a state makes you buy auto insurance but why it is not okay to be forced to buy health insurance.

I think it's wrong in both cases. Some people are convinced its different because driving on state roads isn't a right. But as far as I'm concerned everyone has a right to access the commons that are paid for by their taxes, period.

 

[Middleoftheroad]

It is different, shit-for-brains. You don't have to buy solar panels if you don't want them. Of course, that will soon change if Obama remains in office.

And if you choose not to buy solar panels, you don't get the tax break, therefore you pay more to the government in taxes than someone who bought them.

The healthcare tax is the liberal version of the tax break in reverse.

Instead of giving a tax break for getting health insurance, they charge you more taxes for not getting it.

Completely different idiot and you know it.

No its not. Theoretically they could just increase the tax rates across the board and then offer this as a tax break (meaning you pay less then what you would have owed if you didn't have it), and they could make the numbers come out to be the exact same.

So yes this could be construed as a tax increase across the board with an additional tax break for those that have insurance, since it amounts to the exact same thing.

 

[dblack]

There is no mandate...only a tax.

No different than giving a tax break for buying solar panels or a hybrid.

Yup... and just as wrong.