Global Warming Hoax is Now Killing People

[Old Rocks]

Really indictutive of the level of stupidity that most people do not have even a small auxilery generator. Or basic camping gear that would allow one to cook and stay warm after a weather disaster.

 

[bripat9643]

Really indictutive of the level of stupidity that most people do not have even a small auxilery generator. Or basic camping gear that would allow one to cook and stay warm after a weather disaster.

Most apartment buildings don't allow you to install generators, and how does camping gear keep you warm? How are you going to shower if it's 10 degrees outside and your power is off?

 

[skookerasbil]

There is nothing that will stop the far left from obtaining their ideological goals..............

Thousands have died in the recent European/Russia/Balkan cold snap........... Death toll rises to 600 in European cold snap

And think about it...............how much electricity was produced in Britain by wind farms during the severe cold????????


"Almost zero".................. Wind farms produced 'practically no electricity' during Britain's cold snap - Telegraph


And the k00ks still push this joke...........


Think about how many millions would have died here if Europe was run only on renewables?

 

[konradv]

If no one believes in GW, why did so many die? You'd think, if AGW was losing and nobody believed the science, they'd have been prepared!

 

[westwall]

Really indictutive of the level of stupidity that most people do not have even a small auxilery generator. Or basic camping gear that would allow one to cook and stay warm after a weather disaster.

Indicative of the lack of concern of the greenies for the people they are supposedly looking out for. No apartment building will allow a generator to be installed. Collectivisation has its flaws you know. When the power goes out you're screwed.

A good sleeping bag would have helped no doubt, but when the internal temperature drops to the outside level of -20C you're in trouble no matter what you have to bundle up with. Just going to the toilet is an adventure.

 

[Cowman]

That is exactly what we are trying to avoid* having to do, nitwit. I like having power and heat that comes on at the flip of the switch. I don't want to be cowering in fear because the weatherman says we won't see the sun for a few days.

Then stop encouraging a society that doesn't give a shit about conservation of power. But no... types like you will just want to use as much energy as they can because they're numero uno. Your only solution is to produce even more power so people can be even more wasteful. How about you be the fucking beacons of conservation of energy while also promoting expanding power production?

We don't encourage it. Life is about cost/benefit ratios. The only way that renewables are able to survive is because the government has mandated their use AND given them massive amounts of taxpayer money to stay afloat. Were those two things to stop green energy would die within days.

The reason is they are nowhere near as efficient as fossil fuels. They are also MORE TOXIC to produce. Solar panels cause far more environmental damage to produce then the worst oil powered power plant.

If those issues can be rectified then the people will beat a path to the green energy door.
Until then you're stuck with corrupt companies buying the politicians so they can get the taxpayer loans and bailouts.

Please show me evidence that manufacture of solar panels is more toxic overall than the fossil fuels they help replace. FUCKING SHOW ME.

Jesus Christ... you conservatives are fine and dandy about things like mercury, cadmium, carbon dioxide and lead in the environment, pumped out industries... but they are suddenly bad and evil when they are used in the manufacturing of solar panels.

Yeah, that shit is used to manufacture solar panels... and it is toxic and bad, but the toxiity is nowhere near the levels of power plants like you describe. Not even fucking close. We're in a god damn pioneering era for future reliable energy, instead of continuously relying on the same shit from the 1800's and 1900's that is quickly being depleted and ruining our environment. It's not all going to be perfectly harmonious with nature initially... but it's a fucking load better than those archaic fossil fuel sources.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080225090826.htm

Just look around, neanderthal.

 

[westwall]

Then stop encouraging a society that doesn't give a shit about conservation of power. But no... types like you will just want to use as much energy as they can because they're numero uno. Your only solution is to produce even more power so people can be even more wasteful. How about you be the fucking beacons of conservation of energy while also promoting expanding power production?

We don't encourage it. Life is about cost/benefit ratios. The only way that renewables are able to survive is because the government has mandated their use AND given them massive amounts of taxpayer money to stay afloat. Were those two things to stop green energy would die within days.

The reason is they are nowhere near as efficient as fossil fuels. They are also MORE TOXIC to produce. Solar panels cause far more environmental damage to produce then the worst oil powered power plant.

If those issues can be rectified then the people will beat a path to the green energy door.
Until then you're stuck with corrupt companies buying the politicians so they can get the taxpayer loans and bailouts.

Please show me evidence that manufacture of solar panels is more toxic overall than the fossil fuels they help replace. FUCKING SHOW ME.

Jesus Christ... you conservatives are fine and dandy about things like mercury, cadmium, carbon dioxide and lead in the environment, pumped out industries... but they are suddenly bad and evil when they are used in the manufacturing of solar panels.

Yeah, that shit is used to manufacture solar panels... and it is toxic and bad, but the toxiity is nowhere near the levels of power plants like you describe. Not even fucking close. We're in a god damn pioneering era for future reliable energy, instead of continuously relying on the same shit from the 1800's and 1900's that is quickly being depleted and ruining our environment. It's not all going to be perfectly harmonious with nature initially... but it's a fucking load better than those archaic fossil fuel sources.

Easing Concerns About Pollution From Manufacture Of Solar Cells

Just look around, neanderthal.

Oh, I'm no neanderthal and I am probably more liberal than you in most respects. However I am an ENVIRONMENTAL GEOLOGIST. I have spent my entire career clening up the messes that man has made to the environment. To your question here is a simple report, I can give you much, much more if you desire.


"January 14, 2009 12:25 AM
Chris Morrison


Sometime in the late 1970s, toxic chemicals from semiconductor plants in San Jose, Calif. began leeching chemicals into the local water supply. As birth defects soared and families sickened, investigators began a search for the culprits, eventually fingering IBM and Fairchild Semiconductor in 1981.

At the time an extremely high-profile case, the episode helped introduce public safeguards to high-tech manufacturing. It also provided for the birth of the Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition, a group that is today releasing a report on the solar industry, which is blossoming much as semiconductors did in the 1970s and 1980s.

Making solar panels, which are in many ways directly descended from semiconductors, also produces toxic byproducts that could sicken living beings, warns the SVTC. Among these are caustic liquids like silicon tetrachloride, dusts and nanoparticles like kerf (a remnant from cutting silicon ingots), and potent greenhouse gases like sulfur hexafluoride.

Of course, nearly any manufacturing industry outside of cottage crafts produces a long list of potentially harmful byproducts. The SVTC’s executive director, Sheila Davis, admits that the solar industry is not an immediate problem except for in countries with lax standards, like China. After all, we’ve had our mistakes like the IBM / Fairchild spills to learn from.

The reason to look at solar now has everything to do with its racetrack position. The solar industry has been ramping up and, albeit with the recession hanging overhead, is ready to take flight. But where other new manufacturing techniques might automatically meet with suspicion, solar has an inherent advantage: an excellent environmental reputation. That comes from its lack of CO2 emissions, but careless onlookers might mistake solar’s CO2 reputation with a more general environmental harmlessness.

“What needs to happen, and what we’re slowly moving towards, is a systems thinking approach to products and their entire life cycle,” says Davis, who wants the solar industry to take a hard look not just at how panels are manufactured but also at how they’re disposed of at the end of their life — which can last 25 years or more. Davis is concerned that discarded panels could release chemicals or harmful nanoparticles into the environment.

Each chemical contained within a panel, which could become a pollutant if panel is thrown away, must be weighed against the ingredients required to make the panel in the first place. Standards for this sort of analysis don’t exist today, and the SVTC report is no help; a year in the making, Davis refers to it as an “introductory” study that requires years more work."



Solar panels pose an environmental hazard, claims report | VentureBeat

 

[daveman]

Sadly no, when one looks at the history books it is a true statement. Mao 100 million plus. Stalin 80 million plus, Pol Pot 2 million plus, the Warsaw Pact will clock out at over a million once the figures have been looked at.

Almost all of them make Hitler look like a piker.

And this relates to global warming or "leftists" how?

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 per day."
Jacques Yves Cousteau

Read more: Jacques Yves Cousteau Quotes - BrainyQuote

He was of course refering to people.

American liberalism is responsible for over 158 million deaths since 1972.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/169159-the-philosophy-of-death-american-liberalism.html

 

[daveman]

The irony of your post couldn't be more precious!

And their is nothing precious about your vast stupidly

It's "there," not "their," moron. And it's "stupidity," not "stupidly."

Two spelling errors in one sentence by the guy who goes around calling everyone "stupid."

Spelling, grammar, and punctuation are tools of oppression used by THE MAN.

 

[skookerasbil]

And their is nothing precious about your vast stupidly

It's "there," not "their," moron. And it's "stupidity," not "stupidly."

Two spelling errors in one sentence by the guy who goes around calling everyone "stupid."

Spelling, grammar, and punctuation are tools of oppression used by THE MAN.

Dave bro.......just picked up "Ameritopia" by Mark Levin.........a must read. These fucks would burn the Constitution tomorrow if they could. When push comes to shove however, Im glad Im not on the side of the limpwristed.

 

[Cowman]

Oh, I'm no neanderthal and I am probably more liberal than you in most respects.

Oh ho ho. I highly doubt that. What makes you think that though, just out of curiosity? What areas do you think you'd be more liberal than me, and a brief description. I find most American liberals to be too moderate, too far to the right. I more embrace the European style of liberalism which I find to be much truer to my ideals.

Why is your report about shit in the 70's and 80's You think solar manufacturing has remained the same, particularly regarding the treatment of pollutant materials? Give me a fucking break. Read up on recent shit, and comparisons of solar manufacturing pollutant waste compared to your typical fossil fuel power companies.

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh ho ho. I highly doubt that. What makes you think that though, just out of curiosity? What areas do you think you'd be more liberal than me, and a brief description. I find most American liberals to be too moderate, too far to the right. I more embrace the European style of liberalism which I find to be much truer to my ideals.

Why is your report about shit in the 70's and 80's You think solar manufacturing has remained the same, particularly regarding the treatment of pollutant materials? Give me a fucking break. Read up on recent shit, and comparisons of solar manufacturing pollutant waste compared to your typical fossil fuel power companies.

solar is a joke my friend.........a solution only in the minds of the utopian k00ks.........nobody else.

Its 2012 s0n........using 19th century technology is ghey. "European style liberal"........you mean the kind that would have had all of Europe running on renewables this past month meaning millions would be frozen to death? Cool style.........

 

[Cowman]

solar is a joke my friend.........a solution only in the minds of the utopian k00ks.........nobody else.

Its 2012 s0n........using 19th century technology is ghey.

Please explain to me how solar is a joke?

 

[skookerasbil]

Please explain to me how solar is a joke?

Because s0n.....investors arent impressed at the prospects.

Sorry.............its ghey.............

Despite Paul Krugman's Cheerleading, Solar Energy Has A Cloudy Future - Forbes

 

[starcraftzzz]

Because s0n.....investors arent impressed at the prospects.

Sorry.............its ghey.............

Despite Paul Krugman's Cheerleading, Solar Energy Has A Cloudy Future - Forbes

Fossil fuels are twice as expensive as solar when you include health an environmental effects.

 

[skookerasbil]

Fossil fuels are twice as expensive as solar when you include health an environmental effects.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD............another of the hopelessly duped has joined the forum!!

 

[westwall]

Oh, I'm no neanderthal and I am probably more liberal than you in most respects.

Oh ho ho. I highly doubt that. What makes you think that though, just out of curiosity? What areas do you think you'd be more liberal than me, and a brief description. I find most American liberals to be too moderate, too far to the right. I more embrace the European style of liberalism which I find to be much truer to my ideals.

Why is your report about shit in the 70's and 80's You think solar manufacturing has remained the same, particularly regarding the treatment of pollutant materials? Give me a fucking break. Read up on recent shit, and comparisons of solar manufacturing pollutant waste compared to your typical fossil fuel power companies.

I'm a true Constitutional fundamentalist so whatever makes people happy, so long as it harms no one but them, should be free to do as they please. I would legalise all drugs (but punish severly the criminal misuse of them, in other words driving drunk is no defence for the murder you caused when you killed that poor kid. Germany has a law for incredibly drunk people that pretty much absolves them of responsibility in that situation. That is wrong IMO), gay's would be free to marry, polygamy would be allowed so long as they are not on Public Assistance, you could own any type of firearm you wanted so long as you were not a felon, mentally deranged or guilty of some misdemeanors, etc. etc. etc.

In other words I would do away with the vast majority of the laws in this country. Only those where people are harmed would be kept and the punishment for harming others would be severe (if it is intentional).

Yes, solar production has remained basically the same. The same chemical processes are used (they are just better at it with nowhere near the wastage and production failures), the same types of assembly are used etc. The techniques have gotten better but they are fundamentally unchanged.

I have a solar setup that is now pushing 22 years old and I have been doing a lot of research on the new setups and while they are much lighter they are still toxic as hell. The solar production facilities in the Third World are major hazards and will kill plenty of people in the years to come.

Please note, though. I am not anti solar, I just know that it is not scalable currently. It is fine on the small scale and will get better. I am actually consulting with a solar startup that has a very novel approach to scaling up production that will actually probably work in some very specialised locations, we are still running the numbers and working with local government entities to get a test section going.

What I am against is blindly following technology that is inefficient and environmentally damaging without regard. Some pollution is unavoidable, however, if you are going to pollute make sure the return for that pollution is worth it.

 

[westwall]

Fossil fuels are twice as expensive as solar when you include health an environmental effects.

How about some peer reviewed studies to support that.

 

[Cowman]

Oh, I'm no neanderthal and I am probably more liberal than you in most respects.

Oh ho ho. I highly doubt that. What makes you think that though, just out of curiosity? What areas do you think you'd be more liberal than me, and a brief description. I find most American liberals to be too moderate, too far to the right. I more embrace the European style of liberalism which I find to be much truer to my ideals.

Why is your report about shit in the 70's and 80's You think solar manufacturing has remained the same, particularly regarding the treatment of pollutant materials? Give me a fucking break. Read up on recent shit, and comparisons of solar manufacturing pollutant waste compared to your typical fossil fuel power companies.

I'm a true Constitutional fundamentalist so whatever makes people happy, so long as it harms no one but them, should be free to do as they please. I would legalise all drugs (but punish severly the criminal misuse of them, in other words driving drunk is no defence for the murder you caused when you killed that poor kid. Germany has a law for incredibly drunk people that pretty much absolves them of responsibility in that situation. That is wrong IMO), gay's would be free to marry, polygamy would be allowed so long as they are not on Public Assistance, you could own any type of firearm you wanted so long as you were not a felon, mentally deranged or guilty of some misdemeanors, etc. etc. etc.

In other words I would do away with the vast majority of the laws in this country. Only those where people are harmed would be kept and the punishment for harming others would be severe (if it is intentional).

Yes, solar production has remained basically the same. The same chemical processes are used (they are just better at it with nowhere near the wastage and production failures), the same types of assembly are used etc. The techniques have gotten better but they are fundamentally unchanged.

I have a solar setup that is now pushing 22 years old and I have been doing a lot of research on the new setups and while they are much lighter they are still toxic as hell. The solar production facilities in the Third World are major hazards and will kill plenty of people in the years to come.

Please note, though. I am not anti solar, I just know that it is not scalable currently. It is fine on the small scale and will get better. I am actually consulting with a solar startup that has a very novel approach to scaling up production that will actually probably work in some very specialised locations, we are still running the numbers and working with local government entities to get a test section going.

What I am against is blindly following technology that is inefficient and environmentally damaging without regard. Some pollution is unavoidable, however, if you are going to pollute make sure the return for that pollution is worth it.

So where in your beliefs are you more liberal than me? I want all drugs legalized, but criminally punishable as you said. No intoxicated driving, etc. I don't care about polygamy(though they should receive marriage benefits of one partner) and am fine with it being legalized. Of course I'm pro gay marriage. I'm for very restrictive firearms laws. So where exactly? I'm not really into dick stroking contests... but I'm confused about the "I'm more liberal than you" stuff.

And you call solar a joke... as if it's a pipe dream and not worth pursuing. Do you think Solar has no place as a widely used energy source for cities, along with wind, geothermal, etc? Why is a mostly fledgling field of power that has remarkable potential now and into the future a joke? Recycling for solar is still an in-development process. You really think fossil fuels are the way to go in the future, because there's some pollution in the manufacturing process and improper disposal of solar power panels? Solar panels are absolutely non-toxic during use.

Where exactly now is the stuff saying that solar power manufacturing is more toxic than fossil fuel power plants?

 

[westwall]

Oh ho ho. I highly doubt that. What makes you think that though, just out of curiosity? What areas do you think you'd be more liberal than me, and a brief description. I find most American liberals to be too moderate, too far to the right. I more embrace the European style of liberalism which I find to be much truer to my ideals.

Why is your report about shit in the 70's and 80's You think solar manufacturing has remained the same, particularly regarding the treatment of pollutant materials? Give me a fucking break. Read up on recent shit, and comparisons of solar manufacturing pollutant waste compared to your typical fossil fuel power companies.

I'm a true Constitutional fundamentalist so whatever makes people happy, so long as it harms no one but them, should be free to do as they please. I would legalise all drugs (but punish severly the criminal misuse of them, in other words driving drunk is no defence for the murder you caused when you killed that poor kid. Germany has a law for incredibly drunk people that pretty much absolves them of responsibility in that situation. That is wrong IMO), gay's would be free to marry, polygamy would be allowed so long as they are not on Public Assistance, you could own any type of firearm you wanted so long as you were not a felon, mentally deranged or guilty of some misdemeanors, etc. etc. etc.

In other words I would do away with the vast majority of the laws in this country. Only those where people are harmed would be kept and the punishment for harming others would be severe (if it is intentional).

Yes, solar production has remained basically the same. The same chemical processes are used (they are just better at it with nowhere near the wastage and production failures), the same types of assembly are used etc. The techniques have gotten better but they are fundamentally unchanged.

I have a solar setup that is now pushing 22 years old and I have been doing a lot of research on the new setups and while they are much lighter they are still toxic as hell. The solar production facilities in the Third World are major hazards and will kill plenty of people in the years to come.

Please note, though. I am not anti solar, I just know that it is not scalable currently. It is fine on the small scale and will get better. I am actually consulting with a solar startup that has a very novel approach to scaling up production that will actually probably work in some very specialised locations, we are still running the numbers and working with local government entities to get a test section going.

What I am against is blindly following technology that is inefficient and environmentally damaging without regard. Some pollution is unavoidable, however, if you are going to pollute make sure the return for that pollution is worth it.

So where in your beliefs are you more liberal than me? I want all drugs legalized, but criminally punishable as you said. No intoxicated driving, etc. I don't care about polygamy(though they should receive marriage benefits of one partner) and am fine with it being legalized. Of course I'm pro gay marriage. I'm for very restrictive firearms laws. So where exactly? I'm not really into dick stroking contests... but I'm confused about the "I'm more liberal than you" stuff.

And you call solar a joke... as if it's a pipe dream and not worth pursuing. Do you think Solar has no place as a widely used energy source for cities, along with wind, geothermal, etc? Why is a mostly fledgling field of power that has remarkable potential now and into the future a joke? Recycling for solar is still an in-development process. You really think fossil fuels are the way to go in the future, because there's some pollution in the manufacturing process and improper disposal of solar power panels? Solar panels are absolutely non-toxic during use.

Where exactly now is the stuff saying that solar power manufacturing is more toxic than fossil fuel power plants?

I am more liberal on gun ownership clearly. Unlike you I believe the criminal misuse must be punished but if you want to own a machinegun with a suppressor you should be allowed to.

I never claimed solar is a joke. That is my view of wind power. I HAVE a solar system or didn't you read that part. I just know for a fact that solar is not scalable on to a large scale except in some very rare instances (I am actually consulting on a solar startup that has some possibilities) and solar is in the long run limited. It is not the panacea that it is claimed to be.

As usual you make broad statements without reading what I actually said. The absolute theoretical maximum efficiency for solar is 28%, the best attained so far is 24% and that degrades fairly quickly. Fossil fuels are still far more efficient then solar will ever be (and the ICE's that use them are getting cleaner and more efficient every year as are the electric power plants) thus the only way that solar exists is because of massive subsidies of public money (which you may have noticed is running out) so solar is going to die a quick death soon.

Where is the remarkable potential? They are at the same efficiencies now that they were at 20 years ago. Yes the panels are weighing less but they still produce the same amount of power. Nothing much has changed since I installed my system.

Geothermal is wonderful in the areas it's available but wind is a joke. A true joke. You do your own Google search and come back with what you find. I am appalled that they allow those damned things to be built. They kill hundreds of thousands of birds every year and they produce very little power for a great deal of money. They are a complete waste.

Here's another link to solar cell pollution problems. There are lots of them out there just look.

Pollution in Production of Solar Panels an Issue at JinkoSolar Plant | Green Conduct