Global Warming aka Atheism's Wrong Turn

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    There are faithful believers in non "religious" topics of all kinds.

    Science has rabid faithful believers. Take Global MAN MADE warming. Absolutely no proof man is causing any noticable increase, no evidence that any of the supposed triggers are responsible but we have rabid "believers".

    They are on par with those that rabidly believe Elvis Presley is alive and well.
     
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    I felt like Ricky Hatton :rofl:
     
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    Science runs on scepticism, not belief. Ergo anyone who is a rabid faithful believer is just a fan and not a scientist and can safely be ignored. Those champions of scepticism, scientists, should be heeded. But I'm sure they would appreciate your advice on global climate change though, it should make them feel a whole lot better :D
     
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    I doubt it. If they knew what was causing it, we would know. You can not provide a single verifiable scientific fact on what man made "what ever" is causing a rise in temperature. None exist. There are theories that can not be verified, can not be duplicated and do not historically match what we know from past times.

    Further the supposed run away man made global warming is less than 20 years old and there are already indications the supposed rapid rise in temperature has already stopped. Some show evidence that it leveled off in 1998. Overall for 100 years a 1 degree rise in temperature is far from alarming. The supposed man made claim was because according to the fear mongers ( most not even scientists) a 1/3 of a degree rise occurred over about a 15 year period at the end of the 1900's.

    Further the dire predictions were and are all based on inaccurate incomplete data and computer models, based on assumptions that are not even reasonable.

    We do have scientific data that Mars, Jupiter Pluto and I believe Venus have ALL shown rises in temperature over the same period. Did man cause that too?
     
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    Nah, fact is you don't want to know what's causing it because you've bought into the denialist politics. Your choice.

    As for proof, I don't have to prove a thing, I'm not a scientist but I heed those who are and I make sure I vote and put my support in whatever way I can to the politicians who can make a difference.

    If it's all bullshit when why is there a huge conference going on in Bali right now?

    No matter, your denialists are in the minority. Sure, your denialist in the White House will make sure the US drags its feet on this, just like we did with our Bush Mini-me clone, now gone, thankfully. Hopefully the next president of the US will understand what's happening and will be able to lead America into the debate rather than block it on behalf of vested interests.

    No world, no economy.
     
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    And there we have it.... a TRUE believer. Facts? Unimportant. Verifiable scientific process? Not needed. Realistic and consistant use of historic data? Not required.

    I should bookmark this so anytime in the future you make ANY comment about religion I can point out your FAITH.
     
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    Either you have a serious comprehension problem or you are wilfully blind. Could be both.

    I refuse to wear a label you choose to put on me because you find it difficult to read, comprehend and respond, in the same vein, to a post. You can choose to label me a "true believer", I refuse to wear that label. I know exactly how I think, how I look at things, how I critically evaluate things for myself and neither you nor anyone else in this forum or in any other aspect of my life is going to force me to wear a label at their convenience. You consider me a true believer, that handicaps your ability to discuss issues with me. You'll play the label card and I'll decide it's pointless discussing anything further with you. Simple as that, so now you know.

    Now, let's get something straight. I choose to accept what scientists agree on at any given time. I understand that that agreement is always tentative, that it's subject to revision when a better explanation (with evidence) comes along. I don't plunge in and blindly "believe" anything. When the reports of cold fusion come out some years ago, breathlessly reported in the popular media, unscientific me thought it was bullshit. It was. The scientific community proved it was wrong and everyone kept looking. That's why I trust science, because, apart from the obvious human flaws in any individual scientist, the scientific community, as an aggregation, tends to overcome those flaws to produce something useful which we can use to further our knowledge.

    Any time you wish to put science up against religion and take me on about it, feel free. But understand that my usual reticence about criticising personal belief systems (provided they don't impact on me) will be put aside.
     
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    Except for that small annoying little point of fact.... there is no science to back up the claim man is causing Global Warming.
     
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    Who told you that?
     
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    LOL, provide some actual evidence, scientific evidence that man has caused any great warming. If you can, you can win the Nobel prize in science.

    All they say is " it makes sense that man has effected it". The current supposed causer has been shown in times past to NOT behave in the manner they claim it behaves now. In relation to temperature.

    Further the supposed continued rise since 1998 is bogus, it is all "adjusted" temperatures. According to "gasp" scientists.

    Hell your consensus agrees that they do NOT know what is causing or caused the rapid heat increase. Science has not been provided to link man to Global Warming. If you can do it, you will be a rich man indeed.

    Politics has linked man to Global Warming. BAD politics.
     

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