Global Cooling Theory picks up Steam

[Old Rocks]

Every major UNALTERED data set shows the cooling that started in 1998. The only rise in temp has been in the back rooms and alleys where they have concocted ways to lie and deceive in an effort to keep the CAGW scam alive.

The Hubbard Glacier in Alaska has grown 70 kl in the last ten years. It was 70 meters from the land mass closing off the fiord and the bay from the oceans. Cruise ship companies no longer get near this area for fear of being icelocked and loosing their ship. (source)

The lie that things are warming is all but over... A La Nina is now forming in both oceans as the warm pools are depleted.. The next two years are going to be very interesting as temperatures plummet in the Northern Hemisphere.

I don't see the evidence for cooling on the GLOBAL scale. But then again -- it's pretty stupid to reduce all this climate science to a single number like "global anything" ---- isnt it?

No, it is not. A beginning referance point is needed, and that serves as a good one. It does not tell you what the climate and temperature will be where you are, but it does indicate that it will be changing, and probably warmer.

"No it is not." What? Which "it" are you referring to?

If you are referring to having a single worldwide temperature value -- it IS kinda stupid. The Earth is not one big unified climate zone. And you could EASILY miss important climatic triggers by dwelling ad nauseum on this simple ruse for public consumption.

Even MORE so (stupid) to have a single "climate sensitity" number represent ALL of the thermodynamics of the entire globe.

Well, we can argue the technicalities until the cows come home. Point is, even if the solar TSI goes down to the Maunder Minimum, we will still warm.

That's what I'm skeptical about. (What else is new?) The only reason the MET made those comments about AGW winning out over a cool sun was that they are using the exact same models that UNDERrepresented natural effects such as the sun.

Garbage in --- Press Releases out...

The predictions for the opening of the Northwest Passage were for the end, or at the soonest, the middle of the 21st century. How does that fit into your under representation of natural effects?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Don't blame me.. The announcement was out of the UK Met office.. 50% in the next 100 years..

Natural cooling of the Sun will not be enough to save Earth from global warming warn scientists - Science - News - The Independent

Over the past several decades, the Sun has been in a “grand solar maximum” but it is quickly becoming less and less active, with an increasing probability of it entering a grand solar minimum by the end of the century, according to calculations based on radioactive isotopes affected by solar radiation over the past 9,300 years.

“The trajectory at the moment is on a path towards a Maunder minimum in the next 50 years but with an overall probability of about 20 per cent. However, over the next 100 years the probability rises to about 50 per cent,” said Professor Mike Lockwood, a solar physicist at Reading University.

“There is a significant probability that within the next half century we’d be entering another grand solar minimum and although that doesn’t make much difference to global average temperatures it might cause us in Europe to suffer more extreme cold winters,” Professor Lockwood said.

The last grand solar minimum – known as the Maunder minimum after 19th Century solar astronomers Annie and Walter Maunder – occurred between about 1645 and 1715 and was marked by the virtual disappearance of the 11-year cycle of sunspots, accompanied by a small but significant decline in the total solar radiation reaching the Earth.

My only issue with this MET assessment versus the Ruskies and other Solar Labs around the world -- is their statement about how this Solar Min would not compete with their dearest GWarming campaign.. So they ran it thru the SAME models that repeatedly UNDERestimated natural variations to be able say that GW would indeed prevail... They are DieHard fanatics.

Ignore that part. But this makes all of these cooling warnings a little more interesting dont it?

Every major UNALTERED data set shows the cooling that started in 1998. The only rise in temp has been in the back rooms and alleys where they have concocted ways to lie and deceive in an effort to keep the CAGW scam alive.

The Hubbard Glacier in Alaska has grown 70 kl in the last ten years. It was 70 meters from the land mass closing off the fiord and the bay from the oceans. Cruise ship companies no longer get near this area for fear of being icelocked and loosing their ship. (source)

The lie that things are warming is all but over... A La Nina is now forming in both oceans as the warm pools are depleted.. The next two years are going to be very interesting as temperatures plummet in the Northern Hemisphere.

I don't see the evidence for cooling on the GLOBAL scale. But then again -- it's pretty stupid to reduce all this climate science to a single number like "global anything" ---- isnt it?

Everything is regional. Empirically the northern hemisphere is 180 deg out of phase with the southern hemisphere until we hit ice age, then its all bets are off.

Placing any aberrant number on the "global temp" is agenda driven. As a complex cyclical system we would have to know all the triggers to even assess one hemisphere let alone the globe.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Thought the IPCC said there was no solar forcing on the planet's climate since 1850..

They didn't.

 

[Old Rocks]

Don't blame me.. The announcement was out of the UK Met office.. 50% in the next 100 years..

Natural cooling of the Sun will not be enough to save Earth from global warming warn scientists - Science - News - The Independent

Over the past several decades, the Sun has been in a “grand solar maximum” but it is quickly becoming less and less active, with an increasing probability of it entering a grand solar minimum by the end of the century, according to calculations based on radioactive isotopes affected by solar radiation over the past 9,300 years.

“The trajectory at the moment is on a path towards a Maunder minimum in the next 50 years but with an overall probability of about 20 per cent. However, over the next 100 years the probability rises to about 50 per cent,” said Professor Mike Lockwood, a solar physicist at Reading University.

“There is a significant probability that within the next half century we’d be entering another grand solar minimum and although that doesn’t make much difference to global average temperatures it might cause us in Europe to suffer more extreme cold winters,” Professor Lockwood said.

The last grand solar minimum – known as the Maunder minimum after 19th Century solar astronomers Annie and Walter Maunder – occurred between about 1645 and 1715 and was marked by the virtual disappearance of the 11-year cycle of sunspots, accompanied by a small but significant decline in the total solar radiation reaching the Earth.

My only issue with this MET assessment versus the Ruskies and other Solar Labs around the world -- is their statement about how this Solar Min would not compete with their dearest GWarming campaign.. So they ran it thru the SAME models that repeatedly UNDERestimated natural variations to be able say that GW would indeed prevail... They are DieHard fanatics.

Ignore that part. But this makes all of these cooling warnings a little more interesting dont it?

Every major UNALTERED data set shows the cooling that started in 1998. The only rise in temp has been in the back rooms and alleys where they have concocted ways to lie and deceive in an effort to keep the CAGW scam alive.

The Hubbard Glacier in Alaska has grown 70 kl in the last ten years. It was 70 meters from the land mass closing off the fiord and the bay from the oceans. Cruise ship companies no longer get near this area for fear of being icelocked and loosing their ship. (source)

The lie that things are warming is all but over... A La Nina is now forming in both oceans as the warm pools are depleted.. The next two years are going to be very interesting as temperatures plummet in the Northern Hemisphere.

I don't see the evidence for cooling on the GLOBAL scale. But then again -- it's pretty stupid to reduce all this climate science to a single number like "global anything" ---- isnt it?

Everything is regional. Empirically the northern hemisphere is 180 deg out of phase with the southern hemisphere until we hit ice age, then its all bets are off.

Placing any aberrant number on the "global temp" is agenda driven. As a complex cyclical system we would have to know all the triggers to even assess on hemisphere let alone the globe.

Really? Both the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Caps are melting giga-tons of ice into the ocean yearly. So how is that out of phase?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Don't blame me.. The announcement was out of the UK Met office.. 50% in the next 100 years..

Natural cooling of the Sun will not be enough to save Earth from global warming warn scientists - Science - News - The Independent

Over the past several decades, the Sun has been in a “grand solar maximum” but it is quickly becoming less and less active, with an increasing probability of it entering a grand solar minimum by the end of the century, according to calculations based on radioactive isotopes affected by solar radiation over the past 9,300 years.

“The trajectory at the moment is on a path towards a Maunder minimum in the next 50 years but with an overall probability of about 20 per cent. However, over the next 100 years the probability rises to about 50 per cent,” said Professor Mike Lockwood, a solar physicist at Reading University.

“There is a significant probability that within the next half century we’d be entering another grand solar minimum and although that doesn’t make much difference to global average temperatures it might cause us in Europe to suffer more extreme cold winters,” Professor Lockwood said.

The last grand solar minimum – known as the Maunder minimum after 19th Century solar astronomers Annie and Walter Maunder – occurred between about 1645 and 1715 and was marked by the virtual disappearance of the 11-year cycle of sunspots, accompanied by a small but significant decline in the total solar radiation reaching the Earth.

My only issue with this MET assessment versus the Ruskies and other Solar Labs around the world -- is their statement about how this Solar Min would not compete with their dearest GWarming campaign.. So they ran it thru the SAME models that repeatedly UNDERestimated natural variations to be able say that GW would indeed prevail... They are DieHard fanatics.

Ignore that part. But this makes all of these cooling warnings a little more interesting dont it?

Every major UNALTERED data set shows the cooling that started in 1998. The only rise in temp has been in the back rooms and alleys where they have concocted ways to lie and deceive in an effort to keep the CAGW scam alive.

The Hubbard Glacier in Alaska has grown 70 kl in the last ten years. It was 70 meters from the land mass closing off the fiord and the bay from the oceans. Cruise ship companies no longer get near this area for fear of being icelocked and loosing their ship. (source)

The lie that things are warming is all but over... A La Nina is now forming in both oceans as the warm pools are depleted.. The next two years are going to be very interesting as temperatures plummet in the Northern Hemisphere.

Show me the unaltered data set that shows cooling started in 1998.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I don't see the evidence for cooling on the GLOBAL scale. But then again -- it's pretty stupid to reduce all this climate science to a single number like "global anything" ---- isnt it?

No, it is not. A beginning referance point is needed, and that serves as a good one. It does not tell you what the climate and temperature will be where you are, but it does indicate that it will be changing, and probably warmer.

"No it is not." What? Which "it" are you referring to?

If you are referring to having a single worldwide temperature value -- it IS kinda stupid. The Earth is not one big unified climate zone. And you could EASILY miss important climatic triggers by dwelling ad nauseum on this simple ruse for public consumption.

Even MORE so (stupid) to have a single "climate sensitity" number represent ALL of the thermodynamics of the entire globe.

Well, we can argue the technicalities until the cows come home. Point is, even if the solar TSI goes down to the Maunder Minimum, we will still warm.

That's what I'm skeptical about. (What else is new?) The only reason the MET made those comments about AGW winning out over a cool sun was that they are using the exact same models that UNDERrepresented natural effects such as the sun.

Garbage in --- Press Releases out...

The predictions for the opening of the Northwest Passage were for the end, or at the soonest, the middle of the 21st century. How does that fit into your under representation of natural effects?

Given that arctic ice retreat is over and now we begin seeing rapid advances... You tell me.. Hudson bay is now on the mends..

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

No, it is not. A beginning referance point is needed, and that serves as a good one. It does not tell you what the climate and temperature will be where you are, but it does indicate that it will be changing, and probably warmer.

"No it is not." What? Which "it" are you referring to?

If you are referring to having a single worldwide temperature value -- it IS kinda stupid. The Earth is not one big unified climate zone. And you could EASILY miss important climatic triggers by dwelling ad nauseum on this simple ruse for public consumption.

Even MORE so (stupid) to have a single "climate sensitity" number represent ALL of the thermodynamics of the entire globe.

Well, we can argue the technicalities until the cows come home. Point is, even if the solar TSI goes down to the Maunder Minimum, we will still warm.

That's what I'm skeptical about. (What else is new?) The only reason the MET made those comments about AGW winning out over a cool sun was that they are using the exact same models that UNDERrepresented natural effects such as the sun.

Garbage in --- Press Releases out...

The predictions for the opening of the Northwest Passage were for the end, or at the soonest, the middle of the 21st century. How does that fit into your under representation of natural effects?

Given that arctic ice retreat is over and now we begin seeing rapid advances... You tell me.. Hudson bay is now on the mends..

Given?

So I can just preface any lie with "given", and it works?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Don't blame me.. The announcement was out of the UK Met office.. 50% in the next 100 years..

Natural cooling of the Sun will not be enough to save Earth from global warming warn scientists - Science - News - The Independent

Over the past several decades, the Sun has been in a “grand solar maximum” but it is quickly becoming less and less active, with an increasing probability of it entering a grand solar minimum by the end of the century, according to calculations based on radioactive isotopes affected by solar radiation over the past 9,300 years.

“The trajectory at the moment is on a path towards a Maunder minimum in the next 50 years but with an overall probability of about 20 per cent. However, over the next 100 years the probability rises to about 50 per cent,” said Professor Mike Lockwood, a solar physicist at Reading University.

“There is a significant probability that within the next half century we’d be entering another grand solar minimum and although that doesn’t make much difference to global average temperatures it might cause us in Europe to suffer more extreme cold winters,” Professor Lockwood said.

The last grand solar minimum – known as the Maunder minimum after 19th Century solar astronomers Annie and Walter Maunder – occurred between about 1645 and 1715 and was marked by the virtual disappearance of the 11-year cycle of sunspots, accompanied by a small but significant decline in the total solar radiation reaching the Earth.

My only issue with this MET assessment versus the Ruskies and other Solar Labs around the world -- is their statement about how this Solar Min would not compete with their dearest GWarming campaign.. So they ran it thru the SAME models that repeatedly UNDERestimated natural variations to be able say that GW would indeed prevail... They are DieHard fanatics.

Ignore that part. But this makes all of these cooling warnings a little more interesting dont it?

Every major UNALTERED data set shows the cooling that started in 1998. The only rise in temp has been in the back rooms and alleys where they have concocted ways to lie and deceive in an effort to keep the CAGW scam alive.

The Hubbard Glacier in Alaska has grown 70 kl in the last ten years. It was 70 meters from the land mass closing off the fiord and the bay from the oceans. Cruise ship companies no longer get near this area for fear of being icelocked and loosing their ship. (source)

The lie that things are warming is all but over... A La Nina is now forming in both oceans as the warm pools are depleted.. The next two years are going to be very interesting as temperatures plummet in the Northern Hemisphere.

I don't see the evidence for cooling on the GLOBAL scale. But then again -- it's pretty stupid to reduce all this climate science to a single number like "global anything" ---- isnt it?

Everything is regional. Empirically the northern hemisphere is 180 deg out of phase with the southern hemisphere until we hit ice age, then its all bets are off.

Placing any aberrant number on the "global temp" is agenda driven. As a complex cyclical system we would have to know all the triggers to even assess on hemisphere let alone the globe.

Really? Both the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Caps are melting giga-tons of ice into the ocean yearly. So how is that out of phase?

Antarctica is doing what? Growing at huge rates..

The Northern hemisphere has been melting but is now changing to cooling and ice recovery.. We have been 180 degrees opposite of Antarctica but that is now changing..

Like I said before, cooling waters in both oceans, no heat pools, and lack of westerlies is the recipe for rapid ice buildup...

Keep you head firmly placed in you warm spot.. Soon that will be the only warm spot, at least until you freeze..

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Don't blame me.. The announcement was out of the UK Met office.. 50% in the next 100 years..

Natural cooling of the Sun will not be enough to save Earth from global warming warn scientists - Science - News - The Independent

Over the past several decades, the Sun has been in a “grand solar maximum” but it is quickly becoming less and less active, with an increasing probability of it entering a grand solar minimum by the end of the century, according to calculations based on radioactive isotopes affected by solar radiation over the past 9,300 years.

“The trajectory at the moment is on a path towards a Maunder minimum in the next 50 years but with an overall probability of about 20 per cent. However, over the next 100 years the probability rises to about 50 per cent,” said Professor Mike Lockwood, a solar physicist at Reading University.

“There is a significant probability that within the next half century we’d be entering another grand solar minimum and although that doesn’t make much difference to global average temperatures it might cause us in Europe to suffer more extreme cold winters,” Professor Lockwood said.

The last grand solar minimum – known as the Maunder minimum after 19th Century solar astronomers Annie and Walter Maunder – occurred between about 1645 and 1715 and was marked by the virtual disappearance of the 11-year cycle of sunspots, accompanied by a small but significant decline in the total solar radiation reaching the Earth.

My only issue with this MET assessment versus the Ruskies and other Solar Labs around the world -- is their statement about how this Solar Min would not compete with their dearest GWarming campaign.. So they ran it thru the SAME models that repeatedly UNDERestimated natural variations to be able say that GW would indeed prevail... They are DieHard fanatics.

Ignore that part. But this makes all of these cooling warnings a little more interesting dont it?

Every major UNALTERED data set shows the cooling that started in 1998. The only rise in temp has been in the back rooms and alleys where they have concocted ways to lie and deceive in an effort to keep the CAGW scam alive.

The Hubbard Glacier in Alaska has grown 70 kl in the last ten years. It was 70 meters from the land mass closing off the fiord and the bay from the oceans. Cruise ship companies no longer get near this area for fear of being icelocked and loosing their ship. (source)

The lie that things are warming is all but over... A La Nina is now forming in both oceans as the warm pools are depleted.. The next two years are going to be very interesting as temperatures plummet in the Northern Hemisphere.

I don't see the evidence for cooling on the GLOBAL scale. But then again -- it's pretty stupid to reduce all this climate science to a single number like "global anything" ---- isnt it?

Everything is regional. Empirically the northern hemisphere is 180 deg out of phase with the southern hemisphere until we hit ice age, then its all bets are off.

Placing any aberrant number on the "global temp" is agenda driven. As a complex cyclical system we would have to know all the triggers to even assess on hemisphere let alone the globe.

Really? Both the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Caps are melting giga-tons of ice into the ocean yearly. So how is that out of phase?

Antarctica is doing what? Growing at huge rates..

The Northern hemisphere has been melting but is now changing to cooling and ice recovery.. We have been 180 degrees opposite of Antarctica but that is now changing..

Like I said before, cooling waters in both oceans, no heat pools, and lack of westerlies is the recipe for rapid ice buildup...

Keep you head firmly placed in you warm spot.. Son that will be the only warm spot, at least until you freeze..

No.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Don't blame me.. The announcement was out of the UK Met office.. 50% in the next 100 years..

Natural cooling of the Sun will not be enough to save Earth from global warming warn scientists - Science - News - The Independent

Over the past several decades, the Sun has been in a “grand solar maximum” but it is quickly becoming less and less active, with an increasing probability of it entering a grand solar minimum by the end of the century, according to calculations based on radioactive isotopes affected by solar radiation over the past 9,300 years.

“The trajectory at the moment is on a path towards a Maunder minimum in the next 50 years but with an overall probability of about 20 per cent. However, over the next 100 years the probability rises to about 50 per cent,” said Professor Mike Lockwood, a solar physicist at Reading University.

“There is a significant probability that within the next half century we’d be entering another grand solar minimum and although that doesn’t make much difference to global average temperatures it might cause us in Europe to suffer more extreme cold winters,” Professor Lockwood said.

The last grand solar minimum – known as the Maunder minimum after 19th Century solar astronomers Annie and Walter Maunder – occurred between about 1645 and 1715 and was marked by the virtual disappearance of the 11-year cycle of sunspots, accompanied by a small but significant decline in the total solar radiation reaching the Earth.

My only issue with this MET assessment versus the Ruskies and other Solar Labs around the world -- is their statement about how this Solar Min would not compete with their dearest GWarming campaign.. So they ran it thru the SAME models that repeatedly UNDERestimated natural variations to be able say that GW would indeed prevail... They are DieHard fanatics.

Ignore that part. But this makes all of these cooling warnings a little more interesting dont it?

Had to Google it, I thought I read a article about it a while ago

Is our Sun falling silent - BBC News

 

[flacaltenn]

I don't see the evidence for cooling on the GLOBAL scale. But then again -- it's pretty stupid to reduce all this climate science to a single number like "global anything" ---- isnt it?

No, it is not. A beginning referance point is needed, and that serves as a good one. It does not tell you what the climate and temperature will be where you are, but it does indicate that it will be changing, and probably warmer.

"No it is not." What? Which "it" are you referring to?

If you are referring to having a single worldwide temperature value -- it IS kinda stupid. The Earth is not one big unified climate zone. And you could EASILY miss important climatic triggers by dwelling ad nauseum on this simple ruse for public consumption.

Even MORE so (stupid) to have a single "climate sensitity" number represent ALL of the thermodynamics of the entire globe.

Well, we can argue the technicalities until the cows come home. Point is, even if the solar TSI goes down to the Maunder Minimum, we will still warm.

That's what I'm skeptical about. (What else is new?) The only reason the MET made those comments about AGW winning out over a cool sun was that they are using the exact same models that UNDERrepresented natural effects such as the sun.

Garbage in --- Press Releases out...

The predictions for the opening of the Northwest Passage were for the end, or at the soonest, the middle of the 21st century. How does that fit into your under representation of natural effects?

Was that prediction done solely on GCM? I think not. I think it was done empirically from sea ice observations. And MAYBE some numbers pulled from a GCM. The UK MET projection is model ONLY. And those have demonstrably failed to include natural effects in the right proportions..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The sun is cooling...er, because of global warming

 

[flacaltenn]

Thought the IPCC said there was no solar forcing on the planet's climate since 1850..

They didn't.

Sure they did.. Reduced the whole run-up to solar maximum to something like 0.04w/m2 in their famous lying chart of "Forcings since 1850".. Ask CrickHam and Rocks -- they've posted it Gillions of times here.

It's a flat out fabrication. They had to redefine solar irradiance to come up with a definition that didn't make the sun a 25% or 30% contributor to the current warming blip...

 

[Billy_Bob]

No, it is not. A beginning referance point is needed, and that serves as a good one. It does not tell you what the climate and temperature will be where you are, but it does indicate that it will be changing, and probably warmer.

"No it is not." What? Which "it" are you referring to?

If you are referring to having a single worldwide temperature value -- it IS kinda stupid. The Earth is not one big unified climate zone. And you could EASILY miss important climatic triggers by dwelling ad nauseum on this simple ruse for public consumption.

Even MORE so (stupid) to have a single "climate sensitity" number represent ALL of the thermodynamics of the entire globe.

Well, we can argue the technicalities until the cows come home. Point is, even if the solar TSI goes down to the Maunder Minimum, we will still warm.

That's what I'm skeptical about. (What else is new?) The only reason the MET made those comments about AGW winning out over a cool sun was that they are using the exact same models that UNDERrepresented natural effects such as the sun.

Garbage in --- Press Releases out...

The predictions for the opening of the Northwest Passage were for the end, or at the soonest, the middle of the 21st century. How does that fit into your under representation of natural effects?

Was that prediction done solely on GCM? I think not. I think it was done empirically from sea ice observations. And MAYBE some numbers pulled from a GCM. The UK MET projection is model ONLY. And those have demonstrably failed to include natural effects in the right proportions..

Now you're gone and done it... You called the models a failure.. Empirically you are Correct! But old Crock is going to go postal on you...

 

[flacaltenn]

The sun is cooling...er, because of global warming

Yup.. It's kinda like those classic Godzilla versus Mothra showdowns. Place your bet..

 

[Old Rocks]

I don't see the evidence for cooling on the GLOBAL scale. But then again -- it's pretty stupid to reduce all this climate science to a single number like "global anything" ---- isnt it?

Everything is regional. Empirically the northern hemisphere is 180 deg out of phase with the southern hemisphere until we hit ice age, then its all bets are off.

Placing any aberrant number on the "global temp" is agenda driven. As a complex cyclical system we would have to know all the triggers to even assess on hemisphere let alone the globe.

Really? Both the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Caps are melting giga-tons of ice into the ocean yearly. So how is that out of phase?

Antarctica is doing what? Growing at huge rates..

The Northern hemisphere has been melting but is now changing to cooling and ice recovery.. We have been 180 degrees opposite of Antarctica but that is now changing..

Like I said before, cooling waters in both oceans, no heat pools, and lack of westerlies is the recipe for rapid ice buildup...

Keep you head firmly placed in you warm spot.. Son that will be the only warm spot, at least until you freeze..

No.

You got nothing...

Just "NO"...

No facts, No brains, just agenda...

Mr. Billy Bob, Zone 2

Moderation Message:

Yes it is.. And I've deleted a bunch of posts in the past hour.
You can't Flame and Run in Zone 2 .
And PLEASE -- use the report button. If you don't -- you force me
rather than a random moderator to intervene.. Ruins my "neutrality" in
these discussions. :>)

FlaCalTenn

 

[Billy_Bob]

Thought the IPCC said there was no solar forcing on the planet's climate since 1850..

They didn't.

Sure they did.. Reduced the whole run-up to solar maximum to something like 0.04w/m2 in their famous lying chart of "Forcings since 1850".. Ask CrickHam and Rocks -- they've posted it Gillions of times here.

It's a flat out fabrication. They had to redefine solar irradiance to come up with a definition that didn't make the sun a 25% or 30% contributor to the current warming blip...

What was funny about that paper is they dug themselves a hole real deep.. If you do the math, from the data they supplied, the sun is responsible for 67% of the change in temp. Needles to say they are trying to hide their mess and burying the paper.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Thought the IPCC said there was no solar forcing on the planet's climate since 1850..

They didn't.

Sure they did.. Reduced the whole run-up to solar maximum to something like 0.04w/m2 in their famous lying chart of "Forcings since 1850".. Ask CrickHam and Rocks -- they've posted it Gillions of times here.

It's a flat out fabrication. They had to redefine solar irradiance to come up with a definition that didn't make the sun a 25% or 30% contributor to the current warming blip...

0.04 = no

who knew?

The sun isn't a 25% or 30% contributor to the current warming blip.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Everything is regional. Empirically the northern hemisphere is 180 deg out of phase with the southern hemisphere until we hit ice age, then its all bets are off.

Placing any aberrant number on the "global temp" is agenda driven. As a complex cyclical system we would have to know all the triggers to even assess on hemisphere let alone the globe.

Really? Both the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Caps are melting giga-tons of ice into the ocean yearly. So how is that out of phase?

Antarctica is doing what? Growing at huge rates..

The Northern hemisphere has been melting but is now changing to cooling and ice recovery.. We have been 180 degrees opposite of Antarctica but that is now changing..

Like I said before, cooling waters in both oceans, no heat pools, and lack of westerlies is the recipe for rapid ice buildup...

Keep you head firmly placed in you warm spot.. Son that will be the only warm spot, at least until you freeze..

No.

You got nothing...

Just "NO"...

No facts, No brains, just agenda...

Mr. Billy Bob, Zone 2

SO Mr OohPooPahDoo is ok to troll and do things but you only impersonate a mod and post like one, when they are those with whom you disagree? Impersonating a MOD is a bannable offense as I recall.

Back to topic, Cooling and the way it is being covered up with adjustments wont wash this winter when the cold ocean currents are enhanced and we have heavy snow fall.. By about the time Paris is in full swing it should be buried in snow...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Thought the IPCC said there was no solar forcing on the planet's climate since 1850..

They didn't.

Sure they did.. Reduced the whole run-up to solar maximum to something like 0.04w/m2 in their famous lying chart of "Forcings since 1850".. Ask CrickHam and Rocks -- they've posted it Gillions of times here.

It's a flat out fabrication. They had to redefine solar irradiance to come up with a definition that didn't make the sun a 25% or 30% contributor to the current warming blip...

0.04 = no

who knew?

The sun isn't a 25% or 30% contributor to the current warming blip.

Actually using their own data it is around 67% cause of warming.