Georgia puts criminals to work in fields

[Sallow]

What a bunch of B.S.!! Since when are criminals given a choice to work or not to work ??? They are at the mercy of the courts and they will work PERIOD if an officer of the court said so!!! Especially and even if on probation. I would believe the story if they had been umemployed people who signed up for work and then decided it was too hard. But.......criminals on probation??? Nope. Besides, there are many LEGAL field workers who would be more than willing to do this job. Come on!!!

Well there's that little "Cruel and Unusual" punishment thingie..

No great shakes for a conservative.

manual labor is not cruel or unusual, millions of americans do that for a living.

That's fairly dependent on the capablity and health of the person you are putting to work.

 

[Flopper]

In the US we have a huge prison population, over two million in federal and state prisons. That’s 25% of world’s prison population. We have more people in prison than China with 5 times the population.

Over the last 50 years the US population has grown about 50% while the prison population has grown over 600%. The prison industry complex growth has paralleled the growth in the number of prisoners.

The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work, lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The emphasis in prisons has changed over the last 50 years from rehabilitation to making a profit.

 

[KissMy]

In the US we have a huge prison population, over two million in federal and state prisons. That’s 25% of world’s prison population. We have more people in prison than China with 5 times the population.

Over the last 50 years the US population has grown about 50% while the prison population has grown over 600%. The prison industry complex growth has paralleled the growth in the number of prisoners.

The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work, lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The emphasis in prisons has changed over the last 50 years from rehabilitation to making a profit.

We can make the work prisons not for profit so no state or shareholder could profit from it. The money would only lower the states prison expense. Make it so all earnings must be spent on the prisoner's from contractors chosen by prisoner's so the guards & warden can't spend all the money on their favorite overpriced contractors who give them kick-backs.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

In the US we have a huge prison population, over two million in federal and state prisons. That’s 25% of world’s prison population. We have more people in prison than China with 5 times the population.

Over the last 50 years the US population has grown about 50% while the prison population has grown over 600%. The prison industry complex growth has paralleled the growth in the number of prisoners.

The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work, lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The emphasis in prisons has changed over the last 50 years from rehabilitation to making a profit.

We can make the work prisons not for profit so no state or shareholder could profit from it. The money would only lower the states prison expense. Make it so all earnings must be spent on the prisoner's from contractors chosen by prisoner's so the guards & warden can't spend all the money on their favorite overpriced contractors who give them kick-backs.

You are a jerk, but I agree with you. Isn't this model in place already in some states ? I think the prison up in Huntsville does this.

 

[Barb]

Georgia puts probationers to work in fields after farmers complain about immigration crackdown
Article by: RAY HENRY and KATE BRUMBACK , Associated Press Updated: June 22, 2011 - 9:34 AM

. LESLIE, Ga. - It's 3:25 p.m. in a dusty cucumber field in south Georgia. A knot of criminal offenders who spent seven hours in the sun harvesting buckets of vegetables by hand have decided they're calling it quits — exactly as crew leader Benito Mendez predicted in the morning.

Republican Gov. Nathan Deal started the experiment after farmers publicly complained they couldn't find enough workers to harvest labor-intensive crops such as cucumbers and berries because Latino workers — including many illegal immigrants — refused to show up, even when offered one-time or weekly bonuses. One crew who previously worked for Mendez told him they wouldn't come to Georgia for fear of risking deportation.


Georgia puts probationers to work in fields after farmers complain about immigration crackdown | StarTribune.com

Our prisoners have served as the US slave caste for some time.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Georgia puts probationers to work in fields after farmers complain about immigration crackdown
Article by: RAY HENRY and KATE BRUMBACK , Associated Press Updated: June 22, 2011 - 9:34 AM

. LESLIE, Ga. - It's 3:25 p.m. in a dusty cucumber field in south Georgia. A knot of criminal offenders who spent seven hours in the sun harvesting buckets of vegetables by hand have decided they're calling it quits — exactly as crew leader Benito Mendez predicted in the morning.

Republican Gov. Nathan Deal started the experiment after farmers publicly complained they couldn't find enough workers to harvest labor-intensive crops such as cucumbers and berries because Latino workers — including many illegal immigrants — refused to show up, even when offered one-time or weekly bonuses. One crew who previously worked for Mendez told him they wouldn't come to Georgia for fear of risking deportation.


Georgia puts probationers to work in fields after farmers complain about immigration crackdown | StarTribune.com

Our prisoners have served as the US slave caste for some time.

They owe us. Besides, they probably like getting out rather then sit in a cement box staring at the ceiling 24/7.

 

[FuelRod]

Well there's that little "Cruel and Unusual" punishment thingie..

No great shakes for a conservative.

If I were in prison, I would love the opportunity. It would beat rotting in a cement box, and dodging butt darts in the shower.

And this sort of work helps a prisoner, how?

Don't get me wrong..I think people in jail should work. But they should work at jobs that help them become skilled at something there's a need for in society. Part of the problem with most criminals is they have no marketable skills..and they aren't use to putting in an 8 hour day..5 or more days a week.

I don't know how many of them will be getting CFO jobs upon release.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

If I were in prison, I would love the opportunity. It would beat rotting in a cement box, and dodging butt darts in the shower.

And this sort of work helps a prisoner, how?

Don't get me wrong..I think people in jail should work. But they should work at jobs that help them become skilled at something there's a need for in society. Part of the problem with most criminals is they have no marketable skills..and they aren't use to putting in an 8 hour day..5 or more days a week.

I don't know how many of them will be getting CFO jobs upon release.

If they even get out. I would go nuts just sitting. Its not good for men to sit to long.

 

[Barb]

Georgia puts probationers to work in fields after farmers complain about immigration crackdown
Article by: RAY HENRY and KATE BRUMBACK , Associated Press Updated: June 22, 2011 - 9:34 AM

. LESLIE, Ga. - It's 3:25 p.m. in a dusty cucumber field in south Georgia. A knot of criminal offenders who spent seven hours in the sun harvesting buckets of vegetables by hand have decided they're calling it quits — exactly as crew leader Benito Mendez predicted in the morning.

Republican Gov. Nathan Deal started the experiment after farmers publicly complained they couldn't find enough workers to harvest labor-intensive crops such as cucumbers and berries because Latino workers — including many illegal immigrants — refused to show up, even when offered one-time or weekly bonuses. One crew who previously worked for Mendez told him they wouldn't come to Georgia for fear of risking deportation.


Georgia puts probationers to work in fields after farmers complain about immigration crackdown | StarTribune.com

Our prisoners have served as the US slave caste for some time.

They owe us. Besides, they probably like getting out rather then sit in a cement box staring at the ceiling 24/7.

"They" do? ALL of them?
How many unjust laws and unjust sentences have been handed down since our penal system gained a profit motive? Within the idea that .21 cents an hour teaches a trade, how many find gainful employment once out? If our prison labor was not for profit, I might have some agreement with you, but it isn't, and the for profit prison industry works in conjunction with the for profit prison labor industry to create our unheard from OR FOR slave labor platform.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Our prisoners have served as the US slave caste for some time.

They owe us. Besides, they probably like getting out rather then sit in a cement box staring at the ceiling 24/7.

"They" do? ALL of them?
How many unjust laws and unjust sentences have been handed down since our penal system gained a profit motive? Within the idea that .21 cents an hour teaches a trade, how many find gainful employment once out? If our prison labor was not for profit, I might have some agreement with you, but it isn't, and the for profit prison industry works in conjunction with the for profit prison labor industry to create our unheard from OR FOR slave labor platform.

If you know any prisons that benefit individuals then I agree, but prisons that make and use the profit to run the institution is just fine. And so you know, that $2.00 pay check is a jar of coffee, snacks, toiletries or what ever. Its not much, but when every aspect of your life is controlled by some one besides you, things like that make a huge difference. You also have to keep men busy or they will get more violent. As to unjust laws, the miner drug offenders are a waist of time I agree, but 99% of those in prison are not nice guys and need to be there.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

manual labor is not cruel or unusual, millions of americans do that for a living.

To this point, the program is voluntary for probationers. If it comes to real prisoners, then there will have ot be an OK from the farmers and ranchers to do so...The State just can't force prison labor onto a private farm or ranch.

Agricultural work may not be "skilled" work, but a bunch of untrained..."less than enthused" pickers can do damage to a crop.

And much more. Thees guys will most likely be growing there own food for the prison, or for sale to run the prison. I thing Angola does the same thing.

Thats what they do with some of the prisoners at the jail in my town. They grow veggies/flowers and stuff and then sell it at the sheriff's farmers market. All the money goes back to helping pay for the prison.

Oh i live in Massachussetts by the way so dont think it has to be some down south jail

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Well there's that little "Cruel and Unusual" punishment thingie..

No great shakes for a conservative.

manual labor is not cruel or unusual, millions of americans do that for a living.

That's fairly dependent on the capablity and health of the person you are putting to work.

yeah thats common sense. Then again there are LOTS of people with none of that anymore.

 

[Barb]

They owe us. Besides, they probably like getting out rather then sit in a cement box staring at the ceiling 24/7.

"They" do? ALL of them?
How many unjust laws and unjust sentences have been handed down since our penal system gained a profit motive? Within the idea that .21 cents an hour teaches a trade, how many find gainful employment once out? If our prison labor was not for profit, I might have some agreement with you, but it isn't, and the for profit prison industry works in conjunction with the for profit prison labor industry to create our unheard from OR FOR slave labor platform.

If you know any prisons that benefit individuals then I agree, but prisons that make and use the profit to run the institution is just fine. And so you know, that $2.00 pay check is a jar of coffee, snacks, toiletries or what ever. Its not much, but when every aspect of your life is controlled by some one besides you, things like that make a huge difference. You also have to keep men busy or they will get more violent. As to unjust laws, the miner drug offenders are a waist of time I agree, but 99% of those in prison are not nice guys and need to be there.

I truly disagree with your %
and therein lies the rub.
If you look it up, you'll come to a very different conclusion.
I'm tired, and will not provide that for you. If you want to see, you will. If you do not...you won't. Either way, have a good day.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Our prisoners have served as the US slave caste for some time.

That is some stupid shit - seriously...

 

[Momanohedhunter]

"They" do? ALL of them?
How many unjust laws and unjust sentences have been handed down since our penal system gained a profit motive? Within the idea that .21 cents an hour teaches a trade, how many find gainful employment once out? If our prison labor was not for profit, I might have some agreement with you, but it isn't, and the for profit prison industry works in conjunction with the for profit prison labor industry to create our unheard from OR FOR slave labor platform.

If you know any prisons that benefit individuals then I agree, but prisons that make and use the profit to run the institution is just fine. And so you know, that $2.00 pay check is a jar of coffee, snacks, toiletries or what ever. Its not much, but when every aspect of your life is controlled by some one besides you, things like that make a huge difference. You also have to keep men busy or they will get more violent. As to unjust laws, the miner drug offenders are a waist of time I agree, but 99% of those in prison are not nice guys and need to be there.

I truly disagree with your %
and therein lies the rub.
If you look it up, you'll come to a very different conclusion.
I'm tired, and will not provide that for you. If you want to see, you will. If you do not...you won't. Either way, have a good day.

Fine. Be well.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

If I were in prison, I would love the opportunity. It would beat rotting in a cement box, and dodging butt darts in the shower.

And this sort of work helps a prisoner, how?

Don't get me wrong..I think people in jail should work. But they should work at jobs that help them become skilled at something there's a need for in society. Part of the problem with most criminals is they have no marketable skills..and they aren't use to putting in an 8 hour day..5 or more days a week.

I don't know how many of them will be getting CFO jobs upon release.

Technically, they would at least have a work history to. A work reference that could make a hard job search a tad better.

 

[uscitizen]

In the US we have a huge prison population, over two million in federal and state prisons. That’s 25% of world’s prison population. We have more people in prison than China with 5 times the population.

Over the last 50 years the US population has grown about 50% while the prison population has grown over 600%. The prison industry complex growth has paralleled the growth in the number of prisoners.

The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work, lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The emphasis in prisons has changed over the last 50 years from rehabilitation to making a profit.

So Americans are more likely to commit crimes than the rest of the world?

 

[Uncensored2008]

So Americans are more likely to commit crimes than the rest of the world?

Not more than the Chinese....

 

[Nosmo King]

In the US we have a huge prison population, over two million in federal and state prisons. That’s 25% of world’s prison population. We have more people in prison than China with 5 times the population.

Over the last 50 years the US population has grown about 50% while the prison population has grown over 600%. The prison industry complex growth has paralleled the growth in the number of prisoners.

The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work, lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The emphasis in prisons has changed over the last 50 years from rehabilitation to making a profit.

So Americans are more likely to commit crimes than the rest of the world?

Americans are more likely to institute something like 3 strikes. Or criminalize marijuana possession. Or champion "law and order" candidates who then clog the prisons with people who would not necessarily deserve hard time.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

In the US we have a huge prison population, over two million in federal and state prisons. That’s 25% of world’s prison population. We have more people in prison than China with 5 times the population.

Over the last 50 years the US population has grown about 50% while the prison population has grown over 600%. The prison industry complex growth has paralleled the growth in the number of prisoners.

The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners' work, lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The emphasis in prisons has changed over the last 50 years from rehabilitation to making a profit.

So Americans are more likely to commit crimes than the rest of the world?

Americans are more likely to institute something like 3 strikes. Or criminalize marijuana possession. Or champion "law and order" candidates who then clog the prisons with people who would not necessarily deserve hard time.

True. Prison should be reserved for Cho-Mo's and violent offenders.