Geert Wilders invades America

[Coyote]

As a country we've gone through many periods of zenophobic reactions - usually aimed at newly arrived immigrant groups, religious groups, ethnic groups or even ideological groups (pinkos) and usually, it's during times of economic or social stress. Typically those groups are either new, and culturally strange to Americans (Chinese, Japanese, Eastern European) or they've been here a long time, quietly biding through each upsurge in anti-whatever (Jews or hispanics). Each upsurge comes with it's own set of readily-believed conspiracy theories, disinformation and urban legends to add fuel to the fire.

The reactions vary, from attempts to restrict or refuse citizenship….
1920’s….

.... So he proposed to change birthright citizenship in the U.S. Constitution with a 1920 amendment. He ran during the 1920 election on the slogan: "Stop the SILENT INVASION." In the end, Phelan was defeated, so that 1920 amendment went nowhere.
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Today… http://lighthousepatriotjournal.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/conquest-of-aztlan.jpg


To rhetoric and propaganda

1940’s: WWII Homefront: Anti-Japanese
Anti-semitism that peaked in the 30’s and 40’s and the broad public denial about the realities of what was happening in Europe: History of antisemitism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Today, it’s it is the likes of RISING ISLAMOPHOBIA blamed for hate crimes against Turks in Europe Bare Naked Islam's Weblog​

What is ominous, to me, is when these attitudes move into the political sphere.

This September 11th will be commerated with a visit from Geert Wilders, a man who’s views I find deeply disturbing and who’s words are reminiscent of the rampant-anti-semitism of the 30’s and 40’s. To have him here – associated with some of our prominent politicians, and connected with the emotions swirling around memories of 9/11, the desires of a Muslim Imam to build an interfaith Community Center to foster greater dialogue and understanding is a frightening thought.

Europe has long had a tradition of Islam-bashing conservatism, but the Ground Zero mosque flare up shows Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich now in lockstep with the continent's worst.

On September 11, Geert Wilders, the ultranationalist Dutch politician who has suggested banning the Koran as hate speech, is speaking at Ground Zero, part of a rally against the Islamic community center being built nearby. He’ll be joined by Newt Gingrich, and in all likelihood other significant conservatives as well. Not long ago, the American right resisted the kind of overt Islamophobia that animates reactionary parties in Europe. The embrace of Wilders shows that this is no longer the case. A new type of religious bigotry has entered American politics, one more blatant than anything we’ve seen since the Twin Towers fell.

Even during the most terrifying days after September 11, or in the crazed and febrile period preceding the invasion of Iraq, the spokespeople for the American right mostly refrained from the outright demonization of Muslims. Some of the credit goes to George W. Bush, who, despite the odd slip of the tongue about America’s “crusade,” was usually careful to emphasize that American Muslims are not an internal enemy

Entire article: http://www.afroarticles.com/article...s-European-Style-Islam-Bashing-Crusade/211704

 

[Lonestar_logic]

xenophobia

[zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-]

–noun

an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

 

[GHook93]

The left loves to slander Wilders, but he is a brave man and should be given a hero's welcome! They called the movie Fitna xenophobic, but nothing could be far from the truth. It concentrated on Islamic radicals, which the Netherlands has a ginormous problem with. Worst than any country in the Western World!

 

[Coyote]

xenophobia

[zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-]

–noun

an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

Always nice to have a spelling nazi on board

 

[Coyote]

The left loves to slander Wilders, but he is a brave man and should be given a heros welcome! They called the movie Fitna xenophobic, but nothing could be far from the throught. It concentrated on Islamic radicals, which the Netherlands has a ginormous problem with. Worst than any country in the Western World!

I don't consider hate groups or proponents of hate particularly brave.

 

[Queen]

Perfect, he's the icing on the cake of a FOX part owner funding a project that has the right frothing with hatred and fear. Now this racist madman can come on in and polish it off so the radical imams can recruit more killers.

Keep up the devil's work righties! You're doing an amazing job of it!

 

[GHook93]

The left loves to slander Wilders, but he is a brave man and should be given a heros welcome! They called the movie Fitna xenophobic, but nothing could be far from the throught. It concentrated on Islamic radicals, which the Netherlands has a ginormous problem with. Worst than any country in the Western World!

I don't consider hate groups or proponents of hate particularly brave.

You want to make it like nothing is going on over in the Netherlands. That its all peaches and cream. Facts are that Muslims in the Netherlands preach for illogical demands every day! They demand Sharia law and special treatment. They violently suppress dissent and intimidate people who argue against them.

Right now they make up 6-10% of the population and account 25-30% of all newborns. With the 4-5 times greater birth rate and huge immigrations, Muslims will be the majority in the not so distant future. Will they be laughing off Sharia law being imposed on everyone? Doubtfully!

Geert Wilders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
On 10 November 2004, two suspected attackers were captured after an hour-long siege of a building in The Hague. They were in possession of three grenades and were accused of planning to murder Geert Wilders as well as then fellow MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

In September 2007, a Dutch woman was sentenced to a one-year prison term for sending more than

100 threatening emails to Wilders.[​

29][30]

Geert Wilders remained the most threatened politician in the Netherlands in 2008.

On 18 December 2009, the Rotterdam rapper Mo$heb was sentenced to 80 hours community service and a two-month suspended jail term for threatening Wilders in a rap titled "Wie iz de volgende" ("Who's next"), which included that if he met Wilders, it would be "bam bam". The rapper also called on Wilders to take back his words if he wanted to stay alive and said "This is no joke. Last night I dreamed I chopped your head off". The public prosecutor said the threat could reasonably lead to Wilders fearing for his life or that he would be subjected to violence. The court agreed with this conclusion and said the rap was threatening. "A politician must be able to do his work", the judges said.[32]

Geert Wilders is said to have been "deprived... of a personal life for his...[19] He is moved by his state-provided bodyguards to a different location every night, and cannot receive visitors unless they are carefully screened and escorted at all times.[33] He is married to a Hungarian– former diplomat, with whom he can only meet about once every week because of security concerns.[19] The restrictions on his life because of this, he said, are "a situation that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy".[17]

In January 2010, Karen Geurtsen, a Dutch journalist from the magazine HP-De Tijd, revealed a painful breach of security. She spent four months working undercover, posing as an intern, for the PVV party. She claimed that she had had unchecked access to Wilders. "I could have killed him", were the first words of the article that she published about this operation. According to her, she had "dozens" of opportunities to take his life.[34]

Because of Wilders' perceived positions on Islam, the Dutch–Moroccan rapper Appa, when interviewed about Wilders for a newspaper, said "if someone were to put a bullet in his head, I wouldn't mind".[49] Wilders' views on Islam prompted the Muslim Mayor of Rotterdam, Ahmed Aboutaleb, to severely reprimand him.[50]

 

[Rezonator]

This September 11th will be commerated with a visit from Geert Wilders, a man who’s views I find deeply disturbing...a frightening thought.

The good news is that your condition has a name: it is Geertophobia. The bad news is that it is incurable.

You can, though, experience some relief from the symptoms by calling him names, demeaning and marginalizing him and anyone who respects him, making odious unfounded comparisons to every atrocity throughout history, and remaining completely ignorant on the subject of 1400 years of Islamic hegemony.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The left loves to slander Wilders, but he is a brave man and should be given a heros welcome! They called the movie Fitna xenophobic, but nothing could be far from the throught. It concentrated on Islamic radicals, which the Netherlands has a ginormous problem with. Worst than any country in the Western World!

I don't consider hate groups or proponents of hate particularly brave.

Amazing how you call people who stand up to bigotry and oppression proponents of hate, while supporting the people who call for their murder and plot to kill people.

 

[lizzie]

This September 11th will be commerated with a visit from Geert Wilders, a man who’s views I find deeply disturbing and who’s words are reminiscent of the rampant-anti-semitism of the 30’s and 40’s. To have him here – associated with some of our prominent politicians, and connected with the emotions swirling around memories of 9/11, the desires of a Muslim Imam to build an interfaith Community Center to foster greater dialogue and understanding is a frightening thought.

Agree with him or not, he was demonized and his life threatened for saying what he believed. The day that we become so cowardly that we are willing to stifle freedom of speech is the day that we have lost everything that makes this country what it is. It's silly to fear thoughts, words, and beliefs. They are the only natural rights we have in reality.

 

[Old Rocks]

This September 11th will be commerated with a visit from Geert Wilders, a man who’s views I find deeply disturbing and who’s words are reminiscent of the rampant-anti-semitism of the 30’s and 40’s. To have him here – associated with some of our prominent politicians, and connected with the emotions swirling around memories of 9/11, the desires of a Muslim Imam to build an interfaith Community Center to foster greater dialogue and understanding is a frightening thought.

Agree with him or not, he was demonized and his life threatened for saying what he believed. The day that we become so cowardly that we are willing to stifle freedom of speech is the day that we have lost everything that makes this country what it is. It's silly to fear thoughts, words, and beliefs. They are the only natural rights we have in reality.

I see. So we let Wilders speak. And we stop people from doing something that is perfectly legal with the property they own.

Let Wilders speak, and let those people have their mosque.

 

[Coyote]

The left loves to slander Wilders, but he is a brave man and should be given a heros welcome! They called the movie Fitna xenophobic, but nothing could be far from the throught. It concentrated on Islamic radicals, which the Netherlands has a ginormous problem with. Worst than any country in the Western World!

I don't consider hate groups or proponents of hate particularly brave.

You want to make it like nothing is going on over in the Netherlands. That its all peaches and cream. Facts are that Muslims in the Netherlands preach for illogical demands every day! They demand Sharia law and special treatment. They violently suppress dissent and intimidate people who argue against them.

No. Never said that or implied that. However that doesn't excuse the policies he promotes. As I recall, Hitler was rising in power at a time when Germany was undergoing serious problems. Does that excuse his rhetoric and intentions? (His actions are clearly inexusable).

 

[Queen]

The left loves to slander Wilders, but he is a brave man and should be given a heros welcome! They called the movie Fitna xenophobic, but nothing could be far from the throught. It concentrated on Islamic radicals, which the Netherlands has a ginormous problem with. Worst than any country in the Western World!

I don't consider hate groups or proponents of hate particularly brave.

Amazing how you call people who stand up to bigotry and oppression proponents of hate, while supporting the people who call for their murder and plot to kill people.

Are you enjoying telling lies or would you like to point out the people who are supporting the people who call for their murder and plot to kill people?

 

[Queen]

This September 11th will be commerated with a visit from Geert Wilders, a man who’s views I find deeply disturbing and who’s words are reminiscent of the rampant-anti-semitism of the 30’s and 40’s. To have him here – associated with some of our prominent politicians, and connected with the emotions swirling around memories of 9/11, the desires of a Muslim Imam to build an interfaith Community Center to foster greater dialogue and understanding is a frightening thought.

Agree with him or not, he was demonized and his life threatened for saying what he believed. The day that we become so cowardly that we are willing to stifle freedom of speech is the day that we have lost everything that makes this country what it is. It's silly to fear thoughts, words, and beliefs. They are the only natural rights we have in reality.

I see. So we let Wilders speak. And we stop people from doing something that is perfectly legal with the property they own.

Let Wilders speak, and let those people have their mosque.

That would be how it works in America.

 

[Coyote]

This September 11th will be commerated with a visit from Geert Wilders, a man who’s views I find deeply disturbing...a frightening thought.

The good news is that your condition has a name: it is Geertophobia. The bad news is that it is incurable.

You can, though, experience some relief from the symptoms by calling him names, demeaning and marginalizing him and anyone who respects him, making odious unfounded comparisons to every atrocity throughout history, and remaining completely ignorant on the subject of 1400 years of Islamic hegemony.

What a pity you seem to be experiencing reading comprehension issues. I'm sure there is a name for that, somewhere, but I just prefer to call it retarded.

Perhaps you can point out where I've demeaned, marginalized or called him names.

Perhaps you can indicate how his views differed from the rising anti-semitism in pre-WW2 Europe?

Perhaps you can display some knowledge of Islam beyond hackery and talking points?

I won't hold my breath....but my expectations are quite low. I'm sure you will fulfill them admirably

And please, if you want any sort of credability in a debate - try to quote a person's words correctly or you risk changing the meaning. Of course maybe that was your intent

 

[Coyote]

The left loves to slander Wilders, but he is a brave man and should be given a heros welcome! They called the movie Fitna xenophobic, but nothing could be far from the throught. It concentrated on Islamic radicals, which the Netherlands has a ginormous problem with. Worst than any country in the Western World!

I don't consider hate groups or proponents of hate particularly brave.

Amazing how you call people who stand up to bigotry and oppression proponents of hate, while supporting the people who call for their murder and plot to kill people.

Where have I supported " the people who call for their murder and plot to kill people"? That's news to me

As to those who "who stand up to bigotry and oppression proponents of hate" - let me ask you this: if they use bigotry and hate too "stand up to bigotry and hate", then tell me - what is the difference?

 

[Coyote]

This September 11th will be commerated with a visit from Geert Wilders, a man who’s views I find deeply disturbing and who’s words are reminiscent of the rampant-anti-semitism of the 30’s and 40’s. To have him here – associated with some of our prominent politicians, and connected with the emotions swirling around memories of 9/11, the desires of a Muslim Imam to build an interfaith Community Center to foster greater dialogue and understanding is a frightening thought.

Agree with him or not, he was demonized and his life threatened for saying what he believed. The day that we become so cowardly that we are willing to stifle freedom of speech is the day that we have lost everything that makes this country what it is. It's silly to fear thoughts, words, and beliefs. They are the only natural rights we have in reality.

And he in turn has demonized and threatened those whom he opposes.

Are you saying it's ok for some to demonize and threaten and not for others?


Who is suggesting stifling freedom of speech?

 

[Coyote]

This September 11th will be commerated with a visit from Geert Wilders, a man who’s views I find deeply disturbing and who’s words are reminiscent of the rampant-anti-semitism of the 30’s and 40’s. To have him here – associated with some of our prominent politicians, and connected with the emotions swirling around memories of 9/11, the desires of a Muslim Imam to build an interfaith Community Center to foster greater dialogue and understanding is a frightening thought.

Agree with him or not, he was demonized and his life threatened for saying what he believed. The day that we become so cowardly that we are willing to stifle freedom of speech is the day that we have lost everything that makes this country what it is. It's silly to fear thoughts, words, and beliefs. They are the only natural rights we have in reality.

I see. So we let Wilders speak. And we stop people from doing something that is perfectly legal with the property they own.

Let Wilders speak, and let those people have their mosque.

I'm not opposing his right to speak. In fact I support it.

What concerns me is the emotional atmosphere, the growing anti-Islam mentality in this country, and the fact that some of our prominent politicians are expressing approval of Wilder's sentiments.

That, to me is frightening and reminescent of the emotions leading up to WW2.

 

[Kalam]

Perhaps you can display some knowledge of Islam beyond hackery and talking points?

I'm afraid he can't.

 

[Kalam]

Remember: calling for the Qur'an to be banned is "supporting free speech."