Gaza construction convoy crosses from Egypt

[Hossfly]

Are you proud of your bigotry, rosie?

Israel could end it's illegal blockade of Gaza'a coastal waters and air space if the "chosen" ones had the slightest intention of allowing democracy to take hold in the occupied territories.

Of course, we both know that has never been the Zionist plan in Palestine.

We need to understand some history and acknowledge that Hamas and other rival / competing islamist terrorist syndicates view any easing of import restrictions by Israel as an invitation to import and stockpile weapons for their next attack on Israel.

We even had the carnival of comedy of the “flotilla aid groups” looking to thwart the naval blockade. It was a propaganda stunt from start to finish. The intent was to publically break a military blockade and provoke a confrontation, not to deliver goods to Hamas in Gaza. If it had been the latter, they could have done so peacefully through ports in Israel and Egypt--as was offered repeatedly. The whining regarding "International waters" is a strawman, as the flotilla had made its intent known and had come to Israeli waters and then waited for dawn to provide a better light for filming the confrontation they planned, anticipated, and for which they got.

It was a propaganda stunt from start to finish.

It was. And it was a good one, indeed. It put Israel in a lose, lose position. If Israel allowed the ships through, it could lose its precious blockade. If it took the meat head approach (that it did) it would give itself a big black eye for the world to see.

BDS saw a big jump after the flotilla incident.

...the flotilla had made its intent known and had come to Israeli waters...

Not true. They specifically stated that they had no intent to go to Israel.

I wonder if Tinnie can tell us why these so-called humanitarians weren't organizing convoys with aid to help the starving people in Muslim countries. Surely Tinnie must realize that there are so many other countries which desperately need aid for their starving populations such as in Somali. Were they even there to help when the Pakistanis had that huge flood, or was there no propaganda value in their helping the people of Pakistan? Couldn't they have put themselves out to help the unfortunate Black Muslim women living in tents in refugee camps in Darfur, or again was there no propaganda value in helping these women? By the way, Tinnie, have you heard of these "great humanitarians" sending convoys to help the refugees from Syria?

 

[SAYIT]

Suuuure they were

And your comment before on how Gazans are starving is a seriously ignorant comment ! I mean really dude??

From Reuters...

the humanitarian situation in Gaza during 2011 and 2012 continued to be characterized by poverty, unemployment, forced displacement, lack of access to basic goods and services, impeded freedom of movement, aid dependency, food insecurity, confiscation and inadequate access to healthcare, education, jobs and markets.

From the BBC...

the worst humanitarian crisis in the strip since Israel occupied it in the 1967 war, and describe it as a man-made disaster resulting from the isolation and blockade of Gaza after its take-over by Hamas militants last June.

From Amnesty International...

Israel maintained its military blockade of Gaza, imposed in 2007, and closed the Karni crossing in March, leaving Kerem Shalom as the only entry point for goods, despite its lack of capacity. The blockade prolonged the humanitarian crisis faced by Gaza’s 1.6 million residents, more than 70 per cent of whom were dependent on humanitarian aid. A near-complete ban on exports continued, stifling the economy, and severe restrictions on imports fuelled shortages and high prices. The blockade constituted collective punishment – a breach of international law – and particularly affected children and the sick. The Israeli authorities hindered or prevented hundreds of patients from leaving Gaza to obtain medical treatment.

Hmmm ... not one of those sources says Gazans are starving. Try again, Princess or admit you lied.

 

[P F Tinmore]

We need to understand some history and acknowledge that Hamas and other rival / competing islamist terrorist syndicates view any easing of import restrictions by Israel as an invitation to import and stockpile weapons for their next attack on Israel.

We even had the carnival of comedy of the “flotilla aid groups” looking to thwart the naval blockade. It was a propaganda stunt from start to finish. The intent was to publically break a military blockade and provoke a confrontation, not to deliver goods to Hamas in Gaza. If it had been the latter, they could have done so peacefully through ports in Israel and Egypt--as was offered repeatedly. The whining regarding "International waters" is a strawman, as the flotilla had made its intent known and had come to Israeli waters and then waited for dawn to provide a better light for filming the confrontation they planned, anticipated, and for which they got.

It was. And it was a good one, indeed. It put Israel in a lose, lose position. If Israel allowed the ships through, it could lose its precious blockade. If it took the meat head approach (that it did) it would give itself a big black eye for the world to see.

BDS saw a big jump after the flotilla incident.

...the flotilla had made its intent known and had come to Israeli waters...

Not true. They specifically stated that they had no intent to go to Israel.

I wonder if Tinnie can tell us why these so-called humanitarians weren't organizing convoys with aid to help the starving people in Muslim countries. Surely Tinnie must realize that there are so many other countries which desperately need aid for their starving populations such as in Somali. Were they even there to help when the Pakistanis had that huge flood, or was there no propaganda value in their helping the people of Pakistan? Couldn't they have put themselves out to help the unfortunate Black Muslim women living in tents in refugee camps in Darfur, or again was there no propaganda value in helping these women? By the way, Tinnie, have you heard of these "great humanitarians" sending convoys to help the refugees from Syria?

I think your post would be described as a red herring.

 

[irosie91]

fret not folks-----everything is ok now------GAZA AND EGYPT ARE FULLY OPENED TO EACH OTHER

 

[toastman]

Rosie, lets play the ESTIMATE game !

Estimate how many Israelis would die in 2013 if there was no naval blockade

 

[toastman]

Suuuure they were

And your comment before on how Gazans are starving is a seriously ignorant comment ! I mean really dude??

From Reuters...

the humanitarian situation in Gaza during 2011 and 2012 continued to be characterized by poverty, unemployment, forced displacement, lack of access to basic goods and services, impeded freedom of movement, aid dependency, food insecurity, confiscation and inadequate access to healthcare, education, jobs and markets.

From the BBC...

the worst humanitarian crisis in the strip since Israel occupied it in the 1967 war, and describe it as a man-made disaster resulting from the isolation and blockade of Gaza after its take-over by Hamas militants last June.

From Amnesty International...

Israel maintained its military blockade of Gaza, imposed in 2007, and closed the Karni crossing in March, leaving Kerem Shalom as the only entry point for goods, despite its lack of capacity. The blockade prolonged the humanitarian crisis faced by Gaza’s 1.6 million residents, more than 70 per cent of whom were dependent on humanitarian aid. A near-complete ban on exports continued, stifling the economy, and severe restrictions on imports fuelled shortages and high prices. The blockade constituted collective punishment – a breach of international law – and particularly affected children and the sick. The Israeli authorities hindered or prevented hundreds of patients from leaving Gaza to obtain medical treatment.

Where does it say they are starving ?? You just proved my point !

 

[irosie91]

Rosie, lets play the ESTIMATE game !

Estimate how many Israelis would die in 2013 if there was no naval blockade

Very tough call----noble jihadists do SHAHID FADS somehow bomb on ass
seems to be fading long ago there was a row a boat-slit-a-throat fad
on the beaches of the Mediterranean Since the brilliance of 9-11-01
and the transformation of a passenger plane into a SHAHID FOR ALLAH
idea----I have given up trying to guess what they will come up with next

 

[toastman]

Rosie, lets play the ESTIMATE game !

Estimate how many Israelis would die in 2013 if there was no naval blockade

Very tough call----noble jihadists do SHAHID FADS somehow bomb on ass
seems to be fading long ago there was a row a boat-slit-a-throat fad
on the beaches of the Mediterranean Since the brilliance of 9-11-01
and the transformation of a passenger plane into a SHAHID FOR ALLAH
idea----I have given up trying to guess what they will come up with next

I'm sure they will come up with something snarky

 

[irosie91]

Suuuure they were

And your comment before on how Gazans are starving is a seriously ignorant comment ! I mean really dude??

From Reuters...

From the BBC...

From Amnesty International...

Israel maintained its military blockade of Gaza, imposed in 2007, and closed the Karni crossing in March, leaving Kerem Shalom as the only entry point for goods, despite its lack of capacity. The blockade prolonged the humanitarian crisis faced by Gaza’s 1.6 million residents, more than 70 per cent of whom were dependent on humanitarian aid. A near-complete ban on exports continued, stifling the economy, and severe restrictions on imports fuelled shortages and high prices. The blockade constituted collective punishment – a breach of international law – and particularly affected children and the sick. The Israeli authorities hindered or prevented hundreds of patients from leaving Gaza to obtain medical treatment.

Where does it say they are starving ?? You just proved my point !

more like the economy is down----just like its down thruout the world

 

[Hollie]

Are you proud of your bigotry, rosie?

Israel could end it's illegal blockade of Gaza'a coastal waters and air space if the "chosen" ones had the slightest intention of allowing democracy to take hold in the occupied territories.

Of course, we both know that has never been the Zionist plan in Palestine.

We need to understand some history and acknowledge that Hamas and other rival / competing islamist terrorist syndicates view any easing of import restrictions by Israel as an invitation to import and stockpile weapons for their next attack on Israel.

We even had the carnival of comedy of the “flotilla aid groups” looking to thwart the naval blockade. It was a propaganda stunt from start to finish. The intent was to publically break a military blockade and provoke a confrontation, not to deliver goods to Hamas in Gaza. If it had been the latter, they could have done so peacefully through ports in Israel and Egypt--as was offered repeatedly. The whining regarding "International waters" is a strawman, as the flotilla had made its intent known and had come to Israeli waters and then waited for dawn to provide a better light for filming the confrontation they planned, anticipated, and for which they got.

It was a propaganda stunt from start to finish.

It was. And it was a good one, indeed. It put Israel in a lose, lose position. If Israel allowed the ships through, it could lose its precious blockade. If it took the meat head approach (that it did) it would give itself a big black eye for the world to see.

BDS saw a big jump after the flotilla incident.

...the flotilla had made its intent known and had come to Israeli waters...

Not true. They specifically stated that they had no intent to go to Israel.

You seem to be working yourself into a lather. What we saw was that the phony "aid flotilla" was a sham.

You are suffering from befuddlement by the contradiction that Gaza was in such desperate need of humanitarian aid yet the Hamas'istan terrorist syndicate refused to accept this flotilla aid if it was sent over land via Israel.

This (1) merely corroborates the claim this was all a propaganda stunt; and/or (2) confirms that Hamas had no interest in the needs of their fellow Gazans, only in their own stranglehold on Gaza.

The whole point of the phony flotilla was to prevent Israel from confirming whatever was within the cargo on these or any ships wishing to go to and from Gaza. Based on the real threat that arms and other related supplies to Hamas poses to Israeli citizens, inspecting of all cargo to Gaza is justified.

The activists could have gone to Egypt or Israel and had their ships inspected. They could have then protested before the world stage regarding any injustices they find in forbidding cement, for example, while the remaining aid made it to needy Gazans by overland routes.

Until there is a change on the political front, with Hamas willing to forego violence, change its charter, and recognize Israel's right to exist along side a Palestinian State, every ship going to Gaza should be stopped and inspected.

You can begin your whining and carrying on ........ <----- here.

 

[Billo_Really]

Where does it say they are starving ?? You just proved my point !

Report from the Red Cross.

Red Cross: Israel breaking int'l law, letting children starve in Gaza


Report from Physician's for Human Rights...

Currently 61% of the population in the Gaza Strip, or 973,600 people, suffer from a lack of food security, defined by the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) as “the absence of access to sufficient, safe and nutritious food to meet their dietary needs and food preferences for an active and healthy life.” Among this population, 94% of the households report a decline in the quality of food purchased over the past year, while 59% report a decline in the amount of food consumed. Dependence on humanitarian aid from the international organizations is also constantly on the rise; Currently, 71 percent of Gaza households rely in some capacity on international humanitarian aid.

 

[Billo_Really]

more like the economy is down----just like its down thruout the world

It's down because of the blockade.

 

[irosie91]

more like the economy is down----just like its down thruout the world

It's down because of the blockade.

In the absence of the red cross actual CRITERIA for determining
"FOOD INSECURITY"-----and comparison studies with COMPARABLE
populations ---such as ----the general population of Egypt ---
Lebanon ----the reports are UTTERLY MEANINGLESS----in
fact they are not much different from reports of various populations
in the USA I would be VERY MUCH surprised if a study
of the BEDOUIN POPULATION of Saudi arabia ----revealed a higher
"FOOD SECURITY" level. There is no question that the situation for
Gazans is a lot better than it is for the OVERWHELMING majority of
muslims of the world

 

[Billo_Really]

In the absence of the red cross actual CRITERIA for determining
"FOOD INSECURITY"-----and comparison studies with COMPARABLE
populations ---such as ----the general population of Egypt ---
Lebanon ----the reports are UTTERLY MEANINGLESS----in
fact they are not much different from reports of various populations
in the USA I would be VERY MUCH surprised if a study
of the BEDOUIN POPULATION of Saudi arabia ----revealed a higher
"FOOD SECURITY" level. There is no question that the situation for
Gazans is a lot better than it is for the OVERWHELMING majority of
muslims of the world

Like being shot at while they're trying to farm and fish?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

In the absence of the red cross actual CRITERIA for determining
"FOOD INSECURITY"-----and comparison studies with COMPARABLE
populations ---such as ----the general population of Egypt ---
Lebanon ----the reports are UTTERLY MEANINGLESS----in
fact they are not much different from reports of various populations
in the USA I would be VERY MUCH surprised if a study
of the BEDOUIN POPULATION of Saudi arabia ----revealed a higher
"FOOD SECURITY" level. There is no question that the situation for
Gazans is a lot better than it is for the OVERWHELMING majority of
muslims of the world

Like being shot at while they're trying to farm and fish?

You know! The millions that were hacked to death, breasts of women hacked off, children crucified to trees, branded with cattle irons ( which had shown they "submitted to & converted to Islam" ) once they were sufficiently starved, mass raped, mutilated and terrorised & driven from their villages and interned into refugee camps by the Janjaweed muslim militia? Those refugees.

The "real refugees" whose bodies look like that of those who by some miracle survived the holocaust - death camps of Hitler. Those refugees. Now that is starving. Could someone please show me a picture of one of these Gazan starving refugees? I have never seen one. Thank you.

-Jeremiah

 

[Billo_Really]

You know! The millions that were hacked to death, breasts of women hacked off, children crucified to trees, branded with cattle irons ( which had shown they "submitted to & converted to Islam" ) once they were sufficiently starved, mass raped, mutilated and terrorised & driven from their villages and interned into refugee camps by the Janjaweed muslim militia? Those refugees.

The "real refugees" whose bodies look like that of those who by some miracle survived the holocaust - death camps of Hitler. Those refugees. Now that is starving. Could someone please show me a picture of one of these Gazan starving refugees? I have never seen one. Thank you.

-Jeremiah

Let's all just post irrelevent shit that has nothing to do with the topic, that way we can talk about everything under the sun all at once. Might save some time but it won't make anything better.

As for starving Gazan children, I just posted a couple of links a few posts ago.

As for refugee's, they're in Iraq. 4.5 million of them.

 

[irosie91]

for the record-----so far ---no evidence at all of starvation in Gaza none--
not a scintilla. The only way to be hungry in either Gaza or the west bank
is to go on a "hunger strike" Why bring up REAL issues of starvation?
because it is disgusting that anyone pays attention to a criminal----who
got lucky because his fellow criminals kidnapped someone and in the
most disgusting and vile manner got the real piece of shit criminal
out of jail as a RANSOM for the innocent
-----the actual piece of shit crminal violates his parole --gets
arrested and re-jailed and now a whole bunch of sluts and pigs are crying
because the criminal refuses to eat doing a "HUNGER STRIKE" game
and has the audacity to DEMAND to be "LET OUT OF JAIL FREE"
again. There is real starvation in the world ---not in gaza---but in other
lands-------and the disgusting lump of shit ---samer ----PLAYS A GAME
with it ------throwing a few whores even in the USA into histrionic
fits of RELIGIOUS FERVOR the whore even moans----
"samer is like jesus"

 

[Billo_Really]

for the record-----so far ---no evidence at all of starvation in Gaza none--
not a scintilla.

Right! And the report from Physician's for Human Rights was about auto-mechanics.

 

[Hossfly]

In the absence of the red cross actual CRITERIA for determining
"FOOD INSECURITY"-----and comparison studies with COMPARABLE
populations ---such as ----the general population of Egypt ---
Lebanon ----the reports are UTTERLY MEANINGLESS----in
fact they are not much different from reports of various populations
in the USA I would be VERY MUCH surprised if a study
of the BEDOUIN POPULATION of Saudi arabia ----revealed a higher
"FOOD SECURITY" level. There is no question that the situation for
Gazans is a lot better than it is for the OVERWHELMING majority of
muslims of the world

Like being shot at while they're trying to farm and fish?

You know! The millions that were hacked to death, breasts of women hacked off, children crucified to trees, branded with cattle irons ( which had shown they "submitted to & converted to Islam" ) once they were sufficiently starved, mass raped, mutilated and terrorised & driven from their villages and interned into refugee camps by the Janjaweed muslim militia? Those refugees.

The "real refugees" whose bodies look like that of those who by some miracle survived the holocaust - death camps of Hitler. Those refugees. Now that is starving. Could someone please show me a picture of one of these Gazan starving refugees? I have never seen one. Thank you.

-Jeremiah

Starving Gazans.

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[P F Tinmore]

It is not a siege on food. It is a siege on freedom.

The food thing is a straw man.