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Discussion in 'Israel and Palestine' started by SAYIT, Dec 31, 2012.

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    We can quibble about Abbas's refusal to seek a change in Palestinian law which allows for "honor" murders but the real issue is the victims.
    According to Robert Fisk (Robert Fisk: The crimewave that shames the world - Robert Fisk - Commentators - The Independent) upwards of 20,000 women are murdered for family "honor" EACH YEAR.
    Various sources including the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the Twentieth Century Atlas and The Polynational War Memorial say fewer than 20,000 Palestinians have been killed in the conflict - killied, Sherri, not murdered - SINCE 1948.
    So Sherri whines incessantly about the conflict's Palestinian casualties and when presented with evidence of "honor" murders by her Muslim brethren and Abbas's refusal to seek changes in Palestinian law which enables them, she not only refuses to condemn Abbas but actually tries to defend him! You not only are not Christian as you claim, Sherri, you aren't even human. :D

    All wars in the 20th century - the Polynational War Memorial
    Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls
    Stockholm International Peace Research Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Abbas Reneges on Promise to Reform "Honor Killing" Laws | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com
     
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    "A 10-month investigation by The Independent in Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt, Gaza and the West Bank has unearthed terrifying details of murder most foul. Men are also killed for "honour" and, despite its identification by journalists as a largely Muslim practice, Christian and Hindu communities have stooped to the same crimes.

    "Indeed, the 'honour' (or ird) of families, communities and tribes transcends religion and human mercy. But voluntary women's groups, human rights organisations, Amnesty International and news archives suggest that the slaughter of the innocent for 'dishonouring' their families is increasing by the year."

    Would not the solution to this problem involve withdrawing US support for rich Arab dictators and generals?

    Robert Fisk: The crimewave that shames the world - Robert Fisk - Commentators - The Independent
     
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    I think people need to stand up for the cause. Speak up ! They are afraid however, because the abusers use fear to intimidate.

    I fail to see how withdrawing U.S support would help the situation, can you further elaborate ?
     
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    Secular Muslims find the "honor" killings at least as reprehensible as those of us living in democracies do; however, Arab elites (dictators and generals) came to power by using religious fundamentalism as a primary tool for intimidation and control. Sixty years ago, US elites saw secular Arab nationalists like Nasser in Egypt, for example, as a threat to western control of Arab oil. Our reaction to leaders like Nasser was to encourage religious fundamentalists to take control of Arab states; our model was/is the House of Saud. Two generations have come into existence since that time, and it appears US elites have created a fundamentalist Frankenstein across much of the Middle East.

    Chomsky.info has some good references if you're interested.
     
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    Arabism (aka THE BAATHISTS OF THE MIDDLEAST) --is NATIONAL SOCIALIST FASCISM hence its tight alliance with Adolf abu ali Hitler

    Nasser was a BAATHIST Saddam was a BAATHIST and Papa assad was
    and Baby ASSAD IS----a BAATHIST The US often makes mistakes as to
    WHOM TO TRUST when it comes to islamic places We made friends with TALIBAN
    too in order to oppose the soviets. we made friends with fascist Saddam in order
    to oppose fascist Iran who can be trusted in muslim lands----
    ....??? nobody In the middle east it is a choice between deadly
    ARABISM and deadly ISLAMICISM ------there is just nothing else
     
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    Perhaps Georgie Boy can get in touch with Chompsky and ask him why females are even honor killed here in America. Surely he (and Georgie of course) have read about them.

    "Honor killing" under growing scrutiny in the U.S. - Crimesider - CBS News
     
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    chomsky is very good at playing with words------he is a kind of super duper smart
    AVNERI Avneri is a run of the mill hard core communist
     
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    The US did not create Islamic fundamentalism and our support for the Saudis is a function of their ability to deliver stability in the oil market ... something that benefits the entire world, but that's a subject for another thread. Arab/Muslim states have for many decades swung from religious liberalism to fundamentalism. The choice of which will exist tomorrow is up to the Arabs to decide. Our aid to those countries is tied to our interests in the region and has little impact on how they live their lives.
    Mark Lilla, professor of the humanities at Columbia University, authored a brilliant essay adapted from his book “The Stillborn God: Religion, Politics and the Modern West” which directly addresses your points. I highly recommend it.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/magazine/19Religion-t.html?ref=magazine
     
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    Sure there is:

    Pax Semitica by Uri Avnery

    Stop being so negative.
     
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    Uri Avneri is a one trick pony ---he sings a single song for his supper----that
    of a hard core communist Somewhere in his youth he read KARL MARX
    and it is all he knows. I will read it later----the man is THAT BORING
     

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