Gays in the millitary?? No fair!!

[amrchaos]

Nope. Just not a self-centered egotistical asshole.

So, the idea of co-ed barracks is totally unacceptable, but the idea of having a couple of gay guys in the Bathroom with a couple of straight guys is okay??


The pretense that men will catcall women in the showers is a reason to gaurd against such situation(notice--no one talks about women cat calling men!! It happens!) but the possiblity of a gay man cat calling a fellow soldier is so remote that no one has to worry about it is an excuse to allow gays in the military.


I call Bullshit. You sound like a self-righteous homosexual. Damn you!!

 

[Rudy]

Nope. Just not a self-centered egotistical asshole.

So, the idea of co-ed barracks is totally unacceptable, but the idea of having a couple of gay guys in the Bathroom with a couple of straight guys is okay??


The pretense that men will catcall women in the showers is a reason to gaurd against such situation(notice--no one talks about women cat calling men!! It happens!) but the possiblity of a gay man cat calling a fellow soldier is so remote that no one has to worry about it is an excuse to allow gays in the military.


I call Bullshit. You sound like a self-righteous homosexual. Damn you!!

Your argument is dead. Come up with something else or move on.

 

[Jay Canuck]

"In some respects, it actually violates the natural law upon which the equality of all human beings is grounded and by which it is guaranteed."
-- Pope Benny, on Britain's proposed gay equal rights law, Link

Coming from a man who heads an organization of young boy rapists.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Charles Bass wasn't an officer, he was a REMF who stayed in the States because he was scared to go on the front lines.

His excuse was diabetes, which ensured a nice cushy desk job.

Bass Hole, you're not an officer, you're one of those cowards that think his rank matters. If you didn't make it past O-3, you didn't matter any more than a 3rd class enlisted did.

And, there's also the fact that you're a bigoted coward........

 

[Rudy]

The pro-faggot side is still arguing with emotionalism than with actual facts. The Bass has served in the military as an officer and if the Bass was a commander he would have a hard time telling his troops that they're homophobic for feeling uncomfortable being in an open shower around a bunch faggots-er men who are attracted to other men. Most of those pushing the issue have no served in the military and or if they have are supporting lifting DADT because they want to say and do what the boss[Obama] wants to hear.


As for Bikerfaggot, the military loses more people because of better paying jobs and less restrictive working conditions in the civilian sector than the faggots who get kicked out for being in violation of military regulations against homosexuality, these faggots knew for a fact that hgomosexuality is against the regulation before they joined, so their frustration at being unable to serve openly as a penis jockey in the military is self inflicted .

You served as a peon officer. We need to get that straight. The officers at the top of the chain of command for the entire military see things different.
I did serve if you are wondering. I served with a few gay Marines as well. We all knew about one of them.. but nobody had issues with it because he performed when he was expected to. We gave him a hard time.. we called him names.. but it was all in good fun.

The gay Marines with whom I served all knew they were in the military to serve their country.. not to score some ass with another Marine. They also knew where the line was drawn and they never crossed it.

The problem with the men under your command wasn't their own personal feelings towards homosexuals in their ranks. The problem was they had a man leading them who probably encouraged harassment towards any gay veterans under his command.

If you were an officer.. and you would take such a stance.. then your service is shit. You are exactly like the ass holes who gave the exact same argument against racial integration in the military.

Lower level commanders along with NCOs are the backbone of the US military because they make things, not the top heavy brass who sit in jobs that are most of the time not even needed. The lovel level commanders and NCOs are the ones who are going to actually have to deal problems in the units, not the top brass.

That's where you got it wrong Colonel Sanders. NCS's are the backbone of the US military unit. Without them, and good leadership coming from them, you were and are nothing.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Charles Bass wasn't an officer, he was a REMF who stayed in the States because he was scared to go on the front lines.

His excuse was diabetes, which ensured a nice cushy desk job.

Bass Hole, you're not an officer, you're one of those cowards that think his rank matters. If you didn't make it past O-3, you didn't matter any more than a 3rd class enlisted did.

And, there's also the fact that you're a bigoted coward........

Bikerfaggot, don't make false presumptions about the Bass, the Bass left the military because he no longer wanted to be a part of this current military being ran by idiots who misuse troops for political gain. The current crop of leaders they're turning out are substandard compared to the oldschool leaders of the past.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

You served as a peon officer. We need to get that straight. The officers at the top of the chain of command for the entire military see things different.
I did serve if you are wondering. I served with a few gay Marines as well. We all knew about one of them.. but nobody had issues with it because he performed when he was expected to. We gave him a hard time.. we called him names.. but it was all in good fun.

The gay Marines with whom I served all knew they were in the military to serve their country.. not to score some ass with another Marine. They also knew where the line was drawn and they never crossed it.

The problem with the men under your command wasn't their own personal feelings towards homosexuals in their ranks. The problem was they had a man leading them who probably encouraged harassment towards any gay veterans under his command.

If you were an officer.. and you would take such a stance.. then your service is shit. You are exactly like the ass holes who gave the exact same argument against racial integration in the military.

Lower level commanders along with NCOs are the backbone of the US military because they make things, not the top heavy brass who sit in jobs that are most of the time not even needed. The lovel level commanders and NCOs are the ones who are going to actually have to deal problems in the units, not the top brass.

That's where you got it wrong Colonel Sanders. NCS's are the backbone of the US military unit. Without them, and good leadership coming from them, you were and are nothing.

Stupid, lower level officers and NCOS are the ones who predominately carry out military policy, perhaps if you were in the military you would know this.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Charles Bass wasn't an officer, he was a REMF who stayed in the States because he was scared to go on the front lines.

His excuse was diabetes, which ensured a nice cushy desk job.

Bass Hole, you're not an officer, you're one of those cowards that think his rank matters. If you didn't make it past O-3, you didn't matter any more than a 3rd class enlisted did.

And, there's also the fact that you're a bigoted coward........

Bikerfaggot, don't make false presumptions about the Bass, the Bass left the military because he no longer wanted to be a part of this current military being ran by idiots who misuse troops for political gain. The current crop of leaders they're turning out are substandard compared to the oldschool leaders of the past.

You mean........you quit the military because you were afraid that they were going to send your diabetic stupid REMF ass to Iraq, and you are a scared little pussy.

Admit it or not, everyone already knows.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Way to take a joke thread WAAAAAAAAAYYYY too seriously.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Lower level commanders along with NCOs are the backbone of the US military because they make things, not the top heavy brass who sit in jobs that are most of the time not even needed. The lovel level commanders and NCOs are the ones who are going to actually have to deal problems in the units, not the top brass.

That's where you got it wrong Colonel Sanders. NCS's are the backbone of the US military unit. Without them, and good leadership coming from them, you were and are nothing.

Stupid, lower level officers and NCOS are the ones who predominately carry out military policy, perhaps if you were in the military you would know this.

Wrong you stupid hack Bass Hole. It's the NCO's that run the military. Almost every OIC and Captain that I'd ever served under would believe the word of an E-4 or above over the word of an O-3 or below. Why? Most of the time, the O-3 and below personnel had not yet been on a cruise, and therefore were ignorant of how things were done at sea.

But then again, an overblown ego like yours would probably think they actually had a say in the military.

REMF.

 

[Father Time]

The pro-faggot side is still arguing with emotionalism than with actual facts. The Bass has served in the military as an officer and if the Bass was a commander he would have a hard time telling his troops that they're homophobic for feeling uncomfortable being in an open shower around a bunch faggots-er men who are attracted to other men. Most of those pushing the issue have no served in the military and or if they have are supporting lifting DADT because they want to say and do what the boss[Obama] wants to hear.


As for Bikerfaggot, the military loses more people because of better paying jobs and less restrictive working conditions in the civilian sector than the faggots who get kicked out for being in violation of military regulations against homosexuality, these faggots knew for a fact that hgomosexuality is against the regulation before they joined, so their frustration at being unable to serve openly as a penis jockey in the military is self inflicted .

Funny I don't see any relevant facts just a bunch of insults and deflections.

There's no good reason to keep DADT. College kids can handle living with gays, you honestly believe soldiers couldn't?

 

[Father Time]

A gay soldier won't objectify his peers in the showers like a bunch of straight guys cat-calling to the hot blonde taking off her shower robe. I'm not being "extra sensitive," I'm just calling bullshit when I see it.

You most likely wouldn't be able to hack it in the service even if you were assigned to live and train with a bunch of females.

Great, another liberal fagtard trying to give the impression that gays are the personification of perfection when it comes to being a good troop. Regardless of whether the faggots are objectifying or not, a straight male should not be forced to thinking that his feeling of being uncomfortable in an open shower with men who crave the rectums of other is homophobia. Would a black person in a room full of skinheads be anti-white for feeling feeling uncomfortable around a bunch of people who hate for blacks and non-whites is the one thing they share in common regardless of whether they show it outright or not?

I'm sorry old man, but the generations coming up behind you in the service don't have such hate-filled emotions running through their body. Since when are you concerned about your troops feeling a little uncomfortable. This isn't a fucking church summer camp. You are talking about men and women who are trained killers.

Maybe we can hold group sensitivity classes for all you salty fucks still living in the 60's.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Great, another liberal fagtard trying to give the impression that gays are the personification of perfection when it comes to being a good troop. Regardless of whether the faggots are objectifying or not, a straight male should not be forced to thinking that his feeling of being uncomfortable in an open shower with men who crave the rectums of other is homophobia. Would a black person in a room full of skinheads be anti-white for feeling feeling uncomfortable around a bunch of people who hate for blacks and non-whites is the one thing they share in common regardless of whether they show it outright or not?

I'm sorry old man, but the generations coming up behind you in the service don't have such hate-filled emotions running through their body. Since when are you concerned about your troops feeling a little uncomfortable. This isn't a fucking church summer camp. You are talking about men and women who are trained killers.

Maybe we can hold group sensitivity classes for all you salty fucks still living in the 60's.

Group sensitivity classes for what, for straight men not to be so 'uncomfortable' in a shower full of sodomites? How the hell is it hate to be a straight man being in an open shower full of men that are attracted to men? The logic of both of you retards just doesn't follow.

 

[editec]

I have one problem with Gays in the military. It goes as follows.

Say that I am a soldier. I am straight and therefore when I take a shower, It is like showering iwth a bunch of ugly gorillas.

On the other hand, let a gay male take a shower with the rest of the soldiers--it is like parting at a strip club every night--for free--the government is paying him.


See the problem. Homosexuals will have R&R while a straight grunt linke me will not. That is totally unfair. We straights want eye candy as well, so why not make the barracks co-ed??


That is right!! mixed sex barracks, mixed sex showers and mixed sex training!! Why not? Are you sexist! A prude. It is only fair--what do you think?

Our military, in fact every military is now and always will be a place where homosexuals serve honorably.

If you actually ever served in the military, you couldn't possibly not know that, unless you are completely and utterly clueless.

 

[RadiomanATL]

I have one problem with Gays in the military. It goes as follows.

Say that I am a soldier. I am straight and therefore when I take a shower, It is like showering iwth a bunch of ugly gorillas.

On the other hand, let a gay male take a shower with the rest of the soldiers--it is like parting at a strip club every night--for free--the government is paying him.


See the problem. Homosexuals will have R&R while a straight grunt linke me will not. That is totally unfair. We straights want eye candy as well, so why not make the barracks co-ed??


That is right!! mixed sex barracks, mixed sex showers and mixed sex training!! Why not? Are you sexist! A prude. It is only fair--what do you think?

Our military, in fact every military is now and always will be a place where homosexuals serve honorably.

If you actually ever served in the military, you couldn't possibly not know that, unless you are completely and utterly clueless.

Goddammitsomuch.

He's joking. He's going for the cheap laughs with the co-ed humor. It wasn't exactly subtle, highbrow or very witty humor, but humor nonetheless.


Jebus H Kee-rist. Some of youse guys need to take an online course in humor recognition.

 

[Rudy]

Lower level commanders along with NCOs are the backbone of the US military because they make things, not the top heavy brass who sit in jobs that are most of the time not even needed. The lovel level commanders and NCOs are the ones who are going to actually have to deal problems in the units, not the top brass.

That's where you got it wrong Colonel Sanders. NCS's are the backbone of the US military unit. Without them, and good leadership coming from them, you were and are nothing.

Stupid, lower level officers and NCOS are the ones who predominately carry out military policy, perhaps if you were in the military you would know this.

90% of the missions in which I participated were led by someone without a shine on his collar. The only times we did have an officer join us was when there was a possibility to pick up an extra ribbon.

I seriously doubt that you represented the "good leadership" you speak of however. Officers know how to sit behind a desk and how to make everyone's life miserable as a matter of convenience.. Officers' jobs do not include taking care of the troops under them... Officers are there simply to ensure mission accomplishment. The NCO's are the ones who watch out for the junior-level individuals.

Doubt my service all you want to grandpa.. but I know one thing for sure. The support I had from the guys under me and the quality of the relationship we had with each other were not dependent on sexual preference. But you wouldn't know anything about true camaraderie would you?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

That's where you got it wrong Colonel Sanders. NCS's are the backbone of the US military unit. Without them, and good leadership coming from them, you were and are nothing.

Stupid, lower level officers and NCOS are the ones who predominately carry out military policy, perhaps if you were in the military you would know this.

90% of the missions in which I participated were led by someone without a shine on his collar. The only times we did have an officer join us was when there was a possibility to pick up an extra ribbon.

I seriously doubt that you represented the "good leadership" you speak of however. Officers know how to sit behind a desk and how to make everyone's life miserable as a matter of convenience.. Officers' jobs do not include taking care of the troops under them... Officers are there simply to ensure mission accomplishment. The NCO's are the ones who watch out for the junior-level individuals.

Doubt my service all you want to grandpa.. but I know one thing for sure. The support I had from the guys under me and the quality of the relationship we had with each other were not dependent on sexual preference. But you wouldn't know anything about true camaraderie would you?

Good officers just don't sit back behind a desk and be lazy and just sign paperwork, perhaps you have it wrong. Commanders mostly have admin duties and meet with higher level officers, but at the unit level their job as well as the job of other officers is to back the NCOs up and ensure that whatever is needed to accomplish the mission the NCOs and troops are provided that. Officers also give out non-judicial punishments and remove and or reassign those who are a nuisance and disruption in the unit, this is done of course with recommendation from NCOs.


No where in any of these Bass' posts has he ever downplayed the value of NCOs in the management of the military, all he said was that NCOs and officers at the lower levels[your basic military battery, troop, flight and or company] are largely the ones that will have to deal with the problems that will come with lifting DADT should it happen, the brass at the top will not.

 

[Rudy]

Stupid, lower level officers and NCOS are the ones who predominately carry out military policy, perhaps if you were in the military you would know this.

90% of the missions in which I participated were led by someone without a shine on his collar. The only times we did have an officer join us was when there was a possibility to pick up an extra ribbon.

I seriously doubt that you represented the "good leadership" you speak of however. Officers know how to sit behind a desk and how to make everyone's life miserable as a matter of convenience.. Officers' jobs do not include taking care of the troops under them... Officers are there simply to ensure mission accomplishment. The NCO's are the ones who watch out for the junior-level individuals.

Doubt my service all you want to grandpa.. but I know one thing for sure. The support I had from the guys under me and the quality of the relationship we had with each other were not dependent on sexual preference. But you wouldn't know anything about true camaraderie would you?

No where in any of these Bass' posts has he ever downplayed the value of NCOs in the management of the military, all he said was that NCOs and officers at the lower levels[your basic military battery, troop, flight and or company] are largely the ones that will have to deal with the problems that will come with lifting DADT should it happen, the brass at the top will not.

I think Rudy's post made it VERY clear he was downplaying the value of officers in management of the military. If you fucks just got our of our way things would be done a lot quicker.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

90% of the missions in which I participated were led by someone without a shine on his collar. The only times we did have an officer join us was when there was a possibility to pick up an extra ribbon.

I seriously doubt that you represented the "good leadership" you speak of however. Officers know how to sit behind a desk and how to make everyone's life miserable as a matter of convenience.. Officers' jobs do not include taking care of the troops under them... Officers are there simply to ensure mission accomplishment. The NCO's are the ones who watch out for the junior-level individuals.

Doubt my service all you want to grandpa.. but I know one thing for sure. The support I had from the guys under me and the quality of the relationship we had with each other were not dependent on sexual preference. But you wouldn't know anything about true camaraderie would you?

No where in any of these Bass' posts has he ever downplayed the value of NCOs in the management of the military, all he said was that NCOs and officers at the lower levels[your basic military battery, troop, flight and or company] are largely the ones that will have to deal with the problems that will come with lifting DADT should it happen, the brass at the top will not.

I think Rudy's post made it VERY clear he was downplaying the value of officers in management of the military. If you fucks just got our of our way things would be done a lot quicker.

The Bass thinks Rudy is mighty stupid for downplaying the role of officers as if they do nothing but sit behind desks all day and stay lazy. NCOs have their lane to stay in and Officers have their lane to stay, as long as neither crosses into the others lane the military will be ran smooth. The problem with some NCOs is that some haven't learned to separate themselves from the troops they're supposed to take care, instead some like the idea of getting paid like a SSgt while continuing to act like out of control airmen. In short, some of you NCOs need to grow up. The Bass generally speaking only took advice from E-7 and above, senior NCOs since they almost always have their heads screwed on right, today's E-5s are just overpaid airmen.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

The pro-faggot side is still arguing with emotionalism than with actual facts. The Bass has served in the military as an officer and if the Bass was a commander he would have a hard time telling his troops that they're homophobic for feeling uncomfortable being in an open shower around a bunch faggots-er men who are attracted to other men. Most of those pushing the issue have no served in the military and or if they have are supporting lifting DADT because they want to say and do what the boss[Obama] wants to hear.


As for Bikerfaggot, the military loses more people because of better paying jobs and less restrictive working conditions in the civilian sector than the faggots who get kicked out for being in violation of military regulations against homosexuality, these faggots knew for a fact that hgomosexuality is against the regulation before they joined, so their frustration at being unable to serve openly as a penis jockey in the military is self inflicted .

Funny I don't see any relevant facts just a bunch of insults and deflections.

There's no good reason to keep DADT. College kids can handle living with gays, you honestly believe soldiers couldn't?

The military is where people put their lives on the line in a combat, not party atmosphere like college, there's a clear difference between the two and quit assuming that all troops are going to accept faggots and or that they don't think this matters because it does. In college you either attend and pass or you don't, in the military failure is not an option. In college you go and return as you please, in the military there is none of that.There's no reason for faggots to serve openly and make their sexuality a condition for them serving.

The ones doing the insults in this thread are the pro-faggots, not the Bass.