Game Over

[Vast LWC]

Read teh thread again then.

Some nitiwt said yet again that the US was not a democracy.

I corrected their paplum fed ass.

Weeelllll, that's only true in the general sense of the word. In the common vernacular a large group of government types fall under the heading "Democracy".

The US isn't a "Pure" Democracy, it is, more specifically, a Representative Republic.

A "Pure" Democracy would be:

Democracy - Definition and More from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: pure democracy
Function: noun
Date: 1656
: democracy in which the power is exercised directly by the people rather than through representatives

 

[Truthmatters]

All governments by the people are considered Democracys.


Look it up , what you are doing is confusing DIRECT DEMOCRACY with the meaning of Democracy.

 

[Truthmatters]

Your link calls it "pure" democracy.

Its has a different definition then the word Democracy.

 

[Big Fitz]

After yesterday's Supreme Court decision this will be our flag in a few years.

The WORST American experiment with MARXISM is done !!!!!

Joy........JOY AT LAST !!!!!

So you favor the country being run even more so by the corporations?

Unregulated, unethical capitalism results in corporatism (Fascism for those of you in Port St. Lucy) just as quickly as unfettered socialism does. They just take the high road/low road philosophy.

But, ethical, consistently regulated capitalism that does not hinder business beyond that which protects workers and consumers and competition provides the greatest possible chance for personal growth, success, wealth and advancement.

Inequality based on effort, success and just plain luck is not evil as long as everyone is given the same chance and value under the rules.

Where issues begin is when the playing field is no longer level and special privileges, protections and rights come into play. Then you quickly develop inequality based on corruption and favoritism, creating a lesser class of person. This on the other hand, is evil for it goes against one of the founding tenants of this nation of "All men are CREATED equal."

Where the error of equality often creeps in, is the forgetting of the single word, "created" in that statement. We all start out the same as our circumstances dictate, for no man chooses his hour or resources at birth. From there, we all have equal measure to become what we desire. Absolutely some will achieve over monstrous odds that time, life and providence put in front of them. Others will fail when every situation is for them due to failings on their own part. The key is, we are not guaranteed an equal result from our life's work.

When equality of results is mandated, you instantly must create special rules and circumstances in which to 'level the outcome'. The problem you quickly find is that some people are dynamos, able of doing and succeeding far beyond the wildest dreams of anyone who is interested in making all 'fair' for everyone. Fair, in some regards can turn quickly from blessing to pejorative, when you get into the arena of 'negative rights of achievement'. For a good sample of this, read Kurt Vonnagut's short story "Harrison Bergeron" and learn about his humorous, yet unsettling "Handicapper General".

While you rail and gnash your teeth against the inherent evil of the corporation, you must understand, they are the reason you have a quality of life so that you can come online and voice your opinion using inventions that started, often, from a single man and exploded into a major industry that now you find inherently disturbing. On the other hand, you support those who wish to end these same corporation's abilities to bring you such miracles of life that are nothing short of magic, lo, some 20 years ago, let alone 100.

So take into consideration that this nation is coming to a point of crisis where it must decide which path to follow fundamentally. Are you going to follow a path of special rules and circumstances that makes sure everyone is allotted the same measure of miserable existence? Or instead will you follow the path that allows you to achieve to your greatest ability and desire affording you and those associated with you a level of wealth, happiness and life far greater than you ever dreamed?

So what's it going to be?

 

[Big Fitz]

Democracy - Definition and More from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary


Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural de·moc·ra·cies
Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos + -kratia -cracy
Date: 1576
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directlyor indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Maybe my hearing isn't 20/20 no more... but what did you just say in your last two posts? They seem to be strikingly contradictory.

Read teh thread again then.

Some nitiwt said yet again that the US was not a democracy.

I corrected their paplum fed ass.

oh! Otay... I gets it nao.

kthxbai!

 

[Truthmatters]

What Lincoln Forsaw: Corporations "Enthroned" and Re-Writing the Laws Defining Their Existence


"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The only problem with your statement is you have no clue who it is that's destroyed our democracy or you'd quit trying so hard to do so.

Very very true Gunny,

The real quote should be:

"The great american experiment with SOCIALISM is done."

I only pray he's right.

Yep, now we can move on to fascism

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

Obama + Banks Check
Obama + Auto makers Check
Obama + Unions Check
Obama + health insurance industry Not yet
Obama + media control not yet

Its coming along

 

[Big Fitz]

What Lincoln Forsaw: Corporations "Enthroned" and Re-Writing the Laws Defining Their Existence


"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)

Part of this can be attributed to him. Allowing the dissolution of States to use either nullification OR secession in which to avoid unconstitutional actions of the federal government, it make it so much easier for all organizations with desires of political control and corruption to consolidate their power and influence on the smallest area possible for broadest effect.

Aka, Washington D.C.

It's why we need a return to the supremacy of enumerated powers doctrine, vertical checks and balances set by the 10th amendment and the destruction of the belief the government is to be a charitable organization as well.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

lol! Now you Left Wing loons know how we felt when this Supreme Court ruled in favor of granting Foreign Terrorists U.S. Constitutional Rights. Man,you Left Wing loons are still dancing in the streets over that awful ruling. I hated that decision and disagree with it with all my heart. However there really is no need to be so dramatic. I'm sure this Supreme Court will make another ludicrous Left Wing ruling in the near future. They seem to throw both sides a bone in a back and forth manner at this point. Next big ruling should go in favor of you on the Left. So no need for such drama.

 

[noose4]

Very very true Gunny,

The real quote should be:

"The great american experiment with SOCIALISM is done."

I only pray he's right.

Yep, now we can move on to fascism

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

Obama + Banks Check
Obama + Auto makers Check
Obama + Unions Check
Obama + health insurance industry Not yet
Obama + media control not yet

Its coming along

Some one needs to look up the definition of fascism when one is dumb enough to put a check by unions.

 

[Vast LWC]

Your link calls it "pure" democracy.

Its has a different definition then the word Democracy.

Ahh, it's really just in the context your using.

If you were describing the difference between a Representative Republic and a Democracy, for instance, your point wouldn't be true.

But if you were describing the difference between Totalitarianism and Democracy, your point would be true.

 

[Vast LWC]

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

Obama + Banks Check
Obama + Auto makers Check
Obama + Unions Check
Obama + health insurance industry Not yet
Obama + media control not yet

Its coming along

• Bush bailed out the banks, not Obama.
  
• There's just as much right wing media as there is left wing media.
  
• And as far as the health industry goes, Obama never mentioned anything about taking it over. Having a "Public Option" for health insurance is a far, far cry from National Universal Healthcare.

 

[Immanuel]

Funny though, I predicted back in 2007 that the "O" would go down in history as one of the most hated symbols in this nation... next to the swastika. Still could end up true.

It would be fabulous, though, if all our fears proved unwarranted and he became one of the most loved and respected Presidents and the "O" became a true symbol of "Hope and Change". Don't you think?

Immie

 

[Big Fitz]

Funny though, I predicted back in 2007 that the "O" would go down in history as one of the most hated symbols in this nation... next to the swastika. Still could end up true.

It would be fabulous, though, if all our fears proved unwarranted and he became one of the most loved and respected Presidents and the "O" became a true symbol of "Hope and Change". Don't you think?

Immie

For that, he'd have to become something other than a globalist fascist. I don't know about you, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

 

[gautama]

After yesterday's Supreme Court decision this will be our flag in a few years.

The WORST American experiment with MARXISM is done !!!!!

Joy........JOY AT LAST !!!!!

So you favor the country being run even more so by the corporations?

I favour ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISM......the ECONOMIC SYSTEM that made America the GREATEST NATION ON THIS PLANET FOR OVER TWO CENTURIES.

And, The Enllightened Capitalistic System was.....and should ALWAYS be fine-tuned.

And, the SOLUTION was.......and should ALWAYS be AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.....WITHOUT EXCEPTION......THE FREE MARKET SOLUTION.

Changing our Enlightened Capitalistic System to a Socialistic System, or relying on SOCIALISTIC CHOICES whenever PRIVATE SECTOR CHOICES are AVAILABLE means THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR UNIQUELY AMERICAN ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC SYSYTEM (BACKED BY OUR UNIQUE CONSTITUTION) THAT SUCCESSFULLY FLOURISHED FOR OVER TWO CENTURIES.

The MARXIST OBAMARRHOIDAL ATTEMPT to model OUR ECONOMIC SYSTEM after the HISTORICALLY DEFUNCT COMMUNISTIC or SOCIALISTIC SYSTEM as practiced in Europe has been Historically proven to be INFERIOR in all respects. The glaring example is the HEALTH CARE where the Europeans and Canadians are coming over in droves seeking the superior care that America offers without the restrictions of RATIONING, etc.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Funny though, I predicted back in 2007 that the "O" would go down in history as one of the most hated symbols in this nation... next to the swastika. Still could end up true.

It would be fabulous, though, if all our fears proved unwarranted and he became one of the most loved and respected Presidents and the "O" became a true symbol of "Hope and Change". Don't you think?

Immie

For that, he'd have to become something other than a globalist fascist. I don't know about you, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

He could trip and sustain a head trauma. Or the Ghosts of America Past, Present, and Future could visit him one Fourth of July.

 

[Otter_Creek]

Who would lament the thwarting of tyranny? We still need to get the Marxists out of the White house, but that will happen.

 

[Truthmatters]

When Is a Corporation Like a Freed Slave? | Mother Jones

Iam so happy this morning upon learning there is a chance to stop this madness.

Just press for local laws that say a corporation has no personhood in your jurisdiction.

 

[Vast LWC]

I favour ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISM......the ECONOMIC SYSTEM that made America the GREATEST NATION ON THIS PLANET FOR OVER TWO CENTURIES.

And, The Enllightened Capitalistic System was.....and should ALWAYS be fine-tuned.

And, the SOLUTION was.......and should ALWAYS be AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.....WITHOUT EXCEPTION......THE FREE MARKET SOLUTION.

Changing our Enlightened Capitalistic System to a Socialistic System, or relying on SOCIALISTIC CHOICES whenever PRIVATE SECTOR CHOICES are AVAILABLE means THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR UNIQUELY AMERICAN ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC SYSYTEM (BACKED BY OUR UNIQUE CONSTITUTION) THAT SUCCESSFULLY FLOURISHED FOR OVER TWO CENTURIES.

The MARXIST OBAMARRHOIDAL ATTEMPT to model OUR ECONOMIC SYSTEM after the HISTORICALLY DEFUNCT COMMUNISTIC or SOCIALISTIC SYSTEM as practiced in Europe has been Historically proven to be INFERIOR in all respects. The glaring example is the HEALTH CARE where the Europeans and Canadians are coming over in droves seeking the superior care that America offers without the restrictions of RATIONING, etc.

In response, I'd like to link this new thread I started to discuss this:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/102862-i-dont-think-corporations-are-inherently-evil.html

I'm trying to link this in several threads that were carrying on the same conversation, so I don't end up repeating myself in all of them.

 

[California Girl]

When Is a Corporation Like a Freed Slave? | Mother Jones

Iam so happy this morning upon learning there is a chance to stop this madness.

Just press for local laws that say a corporation has no personhood in your jurisdiction.

Welcome to the real world, Truthdoesn'tmatter. You now know what the rest of us knew all along.