Fuck you war supporters

[Annie]

would you please explain to me how turning over ongoing military operations, assets and encampments in Iraq to military forces of the legitimate government of Iraq is "surrendering"?

Running away would be more appropriate. But whatever floats one's boat. No mention of course of the fallout of running away.

 

[Paul Revere]

Running away would be more appropriate. But whatever floats one's boat. No mention of course of the fallout of running away.

No mention of the fallout of staying.

 

[red states rule]

Seems the voters are not to happy with what Dems are doing


According to a recent USA Today/Gallup poll, 61% of Americans oppose “denying the funding needed to send any additional U.S. troops to Iraq,” and opposition is up from 58% in February. (3/23-25, 2007).


A Bloomberg poll reveals 61% of Americans believe withholding funding for the war is a bad idea, while only 28% believe it is a good idea (3/3-11, 2007).
A recent Public Opinion Strategies (POS) poll found that 56% of registered voters favor fully funding the war in Iraq, with more voters strongly favoring funding (40%) than totally opposing it (38%); (3/25-27, 2007).
POS found also that a majority of voters (54%) oppose the Democrats imposing a reduction in troops below the level military commanders requested (3/25-27, 2007).
A separate POS poll finds 57% of voters support staying in Iraq until the job is finished and “the Iraqi government can maintain control and provide security for its people.” And 59% of voters say pulling out of Iraq immediately would do more to harm America’s reputation in the world than staying until order is restored (35%); (2/5-7, 2007).
A Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll show 69% of American voters trust military commanders more than members of Congress (18%) to decide when United States troops should leave Iraq. This includes 52% of Democrats, 69% of Independents and 88% of Republicans (3/27-28, 2007).
According to a recent Pew Research survey, only 17% of Americans want an immediate withdrawal of troops (4/18-22, 2007). That same poll found a plurality of adults (45%) believe a terrorist attack against the United States is more likely if we withdraw our troops from Iraq while the “country remains unstable”
Should a date for withdrawal be set, 70% of American believe it is likely that “insurgents will increase their attacks in Iraq” starting on that day. This is supported by 85% of Republicans, 71% of Independents and 60% of Democrats. (FOX News/Opinion Dynamics, 4/17-18, 2007).
An LA Times/Bloomberg polls reveals that 50% of Americans say setting a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq “hurts” the troops, while only 27% believe it “helps” the troops (4/5-9, 2007).
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...YyNDA2ZThlMTg=

 

[Annie]

No mention of the fallout of staying.

As Petraus' said, time is needed. Not all the time in the world, but enough to give the change a chance. Problem is, if it worked...

 

[red states rule]

As Petraus' said, time is needed. Not all the time in the world, but enough to give the change a chance. Problem is, if it worked...

Dems have given him one month - I was shocked they waited that long before waving the white flag

 

[Annie]

Dems have given him one month - I was shocked they waited that long before waving the white flag

Not even. They are measuring time from the announcement, not from the deployments.

 

[red states rule]

It will be something to see the Dems react to the polls

Will they blame Rush, Sean, and Fox News?

 

[Annie]

It will be something to see the Dems react to the polls

Will they blame Rush, Sean, and Fox News?

I think more likely, they'll bring up the body counts, ignoring Petraus.

 

[red states rule]

I think more likely, they'll bring up the body counts, ignoring Petraus.

If they try that to ignore the poll numbers, Dems are dumber then even I thought

 

[Annie]

If they try that to ignore the poll numbers, Dems are dumber then even I thought

Actually, there is some smartness to it. Americans do NOT like their troops killed. For lessons in such, look at the entry dates to WWI and WWII. Those wars were well underway before we got involved. Minimizes our losses and maximizes our effectiveness.

 

[red states rule]

Actually, there is some smartness to it. Americans do NOT like their troops killed. For lessons in such, look at the entry dates to WWI and WWII. Those wars were well underway before we got involved. Minimizes our losses and maximizes our effectiveness.

It seems Amercians are pissed at the terrorists

Now if they will get pissed at the Dems.............

 

[Annie]

It seems Amercians are pissed at the terrorists

Now if they will get pissed at the Dems.............

d'oh. You have to look at a broader picture.

 

[red states rule]

d'oh. You have to look at a broader picture.

I am seeing the people are not to happy with the surrender bill or the cutting of funds

 

[Annie]

I am seeing the people are not to happy with the surrender bill or the cutting of funds

True. Also the date deal. The people do get it and the reasons why it's a bad idea. Unfortunately they also understand the story is being blitzed across the world. So, time is very short, as the writing is on the wall. The DOD also understands that.

 

[red states rule]

True. Also the date deal. The people do get it and the reasons why it's a bad idea. Unfortunately they also understand the story is being blitzed across the world. So, time is very short, as the writing is on the wall. The DOD also understands that.

Pres Bush will veto it as it is coming acroos the WH lawn

Then Dems have a choice - cave or really piss off the voters

 

[Annie]

Pres Bush will veto it as it is coming acroos the WH lawn

Then Dems have a choice - cave or really piss off the voters

They cannot overturn the veto, yet. So time is short.

 

[red states rule]

They cannot overturn the veto, yet. So time is short.

Dems are in a corner

They will have to grow a pair and cut off funding - which is political suicide or give in and fund the war with no strings

 

[Annie]

Dems are in a corner

They will have to grow a pair and cut off funding - which is political suicide or give in and fund the war with no strings

Actually, the GOP is in a corner. They must decide where they will take chances. It wasn't just the two that made that vote, though they were the 'public' two.

 

[red states rule]

Actually, the GOP is in a corner. They must decide where they will take chances. It wasn't just the two that made that vote, though they were the 'public' two.

How are the Republcians in a corner

Dems need 66 votes to override a veto in the Senate

There is no way in hell they will get 2/3 in the House

 

[Annie]

How are the Republcians in a corner

Dems need 66 votes to override a veto in the Senate

There is no way in hell they will get 2/3 in the House

I agree with you about the override, the real problem was how it got this far. It shouldn't have. That is the fault of the administration and the party that helped put them there.