Fuck, muslim's don't need guns to MASS KILL, and don't need trucks....

[Coyote]

The law protects gays here, Coyote. Practicing muslims of Islam, being it is considered their law, believe as their law instructs.

Jul 30, 2016 · The fundamental religious concept of Islam, systematized during the 2nd and 3rd centuries of the Muslim era ... As an attempt to define Allah’s law…
Shari'ah | Islamic law
Amir Hussain, a Canadian Muslim, is professor of Theological Studies at Loyola Marymount University, where he teaches courses on Islam states, when asked after the Pulse shootings:

The standard Muslim teaching is that homosexual acts are sinful and deserving of punishment in the same way that adultery or unmarried sex are considered sinful, said Amir Hussain, a professor of theology at Loyola Marymount University. A small minority of mosques in North America, and an organization partly based in Los Angeles called Muslims for Progressive Values, are openly gay-friendly, he said.

While Islam’s holy book, the Quran, does not say what kind of punishment homosexuality merits, it warrants the death penalty in the Hadith, or the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, Hussain said. But jurists differ on this issue, he said, with some arguing it warrants capital punishment, others arguing it warrants a public flogging, like with adultery, and still others arguing a judge can mete out a discretionary punishment. A few scholars from North America have made the case for same-sex marriage in Islam, Hussain said.

And according to a survey from 2013-
Overwhelming majorities in the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed also say homosexuality should be rejected, including 97% in Jordan, 95% in Egypt, 94% in Tunisia, 93% in the Palestinian territories, 93% in Indonesia, 87% in Pakistan, 86% in Malaysia, 80% in Lebanon and 78% in Turkey.
From Pew research

Now you tell me, are the refugees coming from Islamic countries going to suddenly be accepting of gays, or our laws? Particularly since most mosques teach of gays here, as Amir Hussain states, they are not to be accepted.
Is there a minute number of muslims now accepting here in the US? Yes, but many leading that fight are also gay muslims themselves.
How long will it take refugees to leave their Islamic law teachings, from which their countries live by, before they will accept our secular laws?

Yup, the law DOES protect gays in secular western countries and public opinion polls here reveal Muslims in the US - including immigrant populations are in line with mainstream opinion.


In America, Muslims Are More Likely to Support Gay Marriage Than Evangelical Christians

It is most obviously true that even to the extent that Christian social conservatism has been hostile to acceptance of gays and lesbians, it has certainly not risen to the horrifying levels of Sunday's attack by Omar Matteen, which he dedicated to the Islamic State. Certainly there have been radical Christians within the United States calling for violence against homosexuals. But their calls to arms have been ignored and are not institutionalized by authorities (with prison terms and even executions) as they frequently are in Muslim-dominated countries.

There has nevertheless been plenty of generalizations about the attitudes of Muslims toward homosexuality that has led some on the right to wonder why people are yelling at them over what happened on Saturday. I agree with conservatives that trying to deflect away from what actually happened to hobby-horse issues like gun control is an awful thing to do.



But a couple of Pew polls might help explain what's going on here. It is true that there is a tremendous amount of hostility to gays and lesbians in countries where Islam is a dominant religion. A Pew poll from 2013 had the vast majority of Muslims in 36 countries overseas declaring that homosexuality is immoral. When I say "vast majority," I mean numbers like 90 percent.


But a recent poll in 2015, also by Pew, shows that American Muslims are much less likely to share this attitude. By comparison, 45 percent of American Muslims approve of homosexuality, and 42 percent of Muslims support same-sex marriage recognition. In both cases, a greater number disapprove of acceptance than approve. But then, so do Evangelical Christians in numbers greater than American Muslims. Only 36 percent of Evangelical Christians approve of homosexuality and only 28 percent of Evangelical Christians support same-sex marriage recognition.


The good news is that support for acceptance of gays and lesbians in America has increased in all faiths between 2007 and 2014. And the point of this post is not necessarily to hold up social conservatives to criticism over an incident they had nothing to do with.


Rather, these numbers help demonstrate why exactly we cannot treat American Muslims as though they're inherently suspicious and prone to jump into extremism and jihads. American Muslims are not necessarily more conservative than many of our country's Christians. There are a whole host of different reasons for this (including the likelihood that Muslims immigrate to the United States in the first place to get away from extreme social conservatism within their own religion). Americans (including gay Americans) who interact regularly with Muslim citizens are probably less likely to see them as being profoundly different. Because they're not—in the United States.​

Support for gay marriage:

 

[Tilly]

Well, you all can probably make up whatever shit you want (you will anyway, I know) because the Brits aren't very forthcoming with details until a case goes to court.

And if it's all the same to you, some of us on this DISCUSSION board like to discuss CURRENT EVENTS in advance of the court case. Since you think that's wrong, you are free to post elsewhere instead of whining ad nauseum on this thread.

Quit telling me to go elsewhere. I'm not whining, I'm not going anywhere, and your nasty miserable bullshit GOSSIP isn't "discussion of current events."

Your silly ad hominems do not constitute contributing to this discussion, neither does your whining. You've already said this current event should not be discussed until after the court case, so what are you doing here but whining and attacking? Now, If you have nothing to contribute, GTFO

For those interested in discussing the subject of this thread:

Was 'devout Muslim' Russell Square knifeman radicalised? Police to trawl 'impressionable' attacker's PC for links to ISIS as neighbour claims mental illness is a 'scapegoat'

Counter-terror police will today forensically study computers belonging to the Russell Square knifeman as a neighbour claimed the 'impressionable' teenager could have been inspired by ISIS.

Scotland Yard believe Zakaria Bulhan, 19, a Norwegian national of Somali origin who moved to the UK in 2002, was not 'motivated by terrorism' but its officers are trawling his possessions for extremist material.

But neighbour Parmjit Singh, a BBC radio DJ known as 'DJ Precious' on the Asian network, said he had known 'impressionable' Bulhan for seven years, adding: 'His mental health problems are a scapegoat.'


The 36-year-old said: 'They said he had mental health issues but that was not the boy I knew.


'The news of his mental illness is completely new, we never heard that. Honestly, I think his mental health problems are a scapegoat.'

Asked what he thought motivated the attack, Parmjit said: 'I think peer pressure, hanging around with gangs. He wasn't working, he was hanging around with Somalian boys and I think they had possible links to serious ISIS people - not directly, but they see all this stuff and are inspired by it....

...A police source said: 'We are expecting counter-terror officers this afternoon who will take away his computers and electrical equipment to study.' ...

Was 'devout Muslim' Russell Square knifeman radicalised?

So, police keep saying he has not been 'radicalised' etc, but counter terrorism hasn't even examined his computers and electrical equipment yet.

 

[Tilly]

Was 'devout Muslim' Russell Square knifeman radicalised?
...
Friends have described their shock at the knife attacks, describing him as a 'teacher's pet' and a 'devout Muslim' who would love debating religion.

Online postings show a man named Zak Bulhan is interested in Islamic study, and in another he pledges support to former Guantanamo Bay inmate Moazzam Begg.

Rakesh Naidu, 18, said: 'I can't believe it, I'm just telling myself it must be a mistake. We used to get really competitive over grades in maths and debate religion all the time.

'He was a devout Muslim and he would passionately defend it, but he respected my opinion too. He was a bit socially awkward but as far as I knew he didn't have mental health problems.

'He wasn't the jock but he wasn't the kid who ate glue at the back of the class. He just flew under the radar. ...

 

[depotoo]

35,000 respondents of which only 237 were muslim.

The law protects gays here, Coyote. Practicing muslims of Islam, being it is considered their law, believe as their law instructs.

Jul 30, 2016 · The fundamental religious concept of Islam, systematized during the 2nd and 3rd centuries of the Muslim era ... As an attempt to define Allah’s law…
Shari'ah | Islamic law
Amir Hussain, a Canadian Muslim, is professor of Theological Studies at Loyola Marymount University, where he teaches courses on Islam states, when asked after the Pulse shootings:

The standard Muslim teaching is that homosexual acts are sinful and deserving of punishment in the same way that adultery or unmarried sex are considered sinful, said Amir Hussain, a professor of theology at Loyola Marymount University. A small minority of mosques in North America, and an organization partly based in Los Angeles called Muslims for Progressive Values, are openly gay-friendly, he said.

While Islam’s holy book, the Quran, does not say what kind of punishment homosexuality merits, it warrants the death penalty in the Hadith, or the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, Hussain said. But jurists differ on this issue, he said, with some arguing it warrants capital punishment, others arguing it warrants a public flogging, like with adultery, and still others arguing a judge can mete out a discretionary punishment. A few scholars from North America have made the case for same-sex marriage in Islam, Hussain said.

And according to a survey from 2013-
Overwhelming majorities in the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed also say homosexuality should be rejected, including 97% in Jordan, 95% in Egypt, 94% in Tunisia, 93% in the Palestinian territories, 93% in Indonesia, 87% in Pakistan, 86% in Malaysia, 80% in Lebanon and 78% in Turkey.
From Pew research

Now you tell me, are the refugees coming from Islamic countries going to suddenly be accepting of gays, or our laws? Particularly since most mosques teach of gays here, as Amir Hussain states, they are not to be accepted.
Is there a minute number of muslims now accepting here in the US? Yes, but many leading that fight are also gay muslims themselves.
How long will it take refugees to leave their Islamic law teachings, from which their countries live by, before they will accept our secular laws?

Yup, the law DOES protect gays in secular western countries and public opinion polls here reveal Muslims in the US - including immigrant populations are in line with mainstream opinion.


In America, Muslims Are More Likely to Support Gay Marriage Than Evangelical Christians

It is most obviously true that even to the extent that Christian social conservatism has been hostile to acceptance of gays and lesbians, it has certainly not risen to the horrifying levels of Sunday's attack by Omar Matteen, which he dedicated to the Islamic State. Certainly there have been radical Christians within the United States calling for violence against homosexuals. But their calls to arms have been ignored and are not institutionalized by authorities (with prison terms and even executions) as they frequently are in Muslim-dominated countries.

There has nevertheless been plenty of generalizations about the attitudes of Muslims toward homosexuality that has led some on the right to wonder why people are yelling at them over what happened on Saturday. I agree with conservatives that trying to deflect away from what actually happened to hobby-horse issues like gun control is an awful thing to do.



But a couple of Pew polls might help explain what's going on here. It is true that there is a tremendous amount of hostility to gays and lesbians in countries where Islam is a dominant religion. A Pew poll from 2013 had the vast majority of Muslims in 36 countries overseas declaring that homosexuality is immoral. When I say "vast majority," I mean numbers like 90 percent.


But a recent poll in 2015, also by Pew, shows that American Muslims are much less likely to share this attitude. By comparison, 45 percent of American Muslims approve of homosexuality, and 42 percent of Muslims support same-sex marriage recognition. In both cases, a greater number disapprove of acceptance than approve. But then, so do Evangelical Christians in numbers greater than American Muslims. Only 36 percent of Evangelical Christians approve of homosexuality and only 28 percent of Evangelical Christians support same-sex marriage recognition.


The good news is that support for acceptance of gays and lesbians in America has increased in all faiths between 2007 and 2014. And the point of this post is not necessarily to hold up social conservatives to criticism over an incident they had nothing to do with.


Rather, these numbers help demonstrate why exactly we cannot treat American Muslims as though they're inherently suspicious and prone to jump into extremism and jihads. American Muslims are not necessarily more conservative than many of our country's Christians. There are a whole host of different reasons for this (including the likelihood that Muslims immigrate to the United States in the first place to get away from extreme social conservatism within their own religion). Americans (including gay Americans) who interact regularly with Muslim citizens are probably less likely to see them as being profoundly different. Because they're not—in the United States.​

Support for gay marriage:

 

[depotoo]

Oh, and 13% of that 237 were non adherents to their religion.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

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They need to go into the muslim ghettos and open fire on any sharia following male, aged 12 and up. Ship the rest of them back to the hellhole middle east. Close up all mosques, take back their country, close the borders, never let any muslim in again.

Slaughtering kids...yup, that's the way to do it all right.

Uh huh. When you watched them execute a dozen children for not fasting during Ramadan, you were saying, "But....but.....but the Christians!"

Evil prevails because of you.

I'm not the one talking about walking into Muslim residential areas and shooting males 12 and up. You might want to remember that before you jump on the bandwagon and support such actions.

You might want to remember the religion you have such an inordinate affection for inspires acts like this on a near daily basis.

 

[Sundance508]

Is denying that terrorism exists a logical way to fight it?

The europeans and the obama administration insist on trying to do that...I can imagine that ISIS does get pissed when their supporters and operatives are brushed off as 'mental defects' ...but such tactics will not stop them...probably such only motivates them to get more horrific and more explicit.

London Stabbing Culprit a “Devout Muslim,” Defended Alleged Terrorist

 

[Coyote]

35,000 respondents of which only 237 were muslim.

The law protects gays here, Coyote. Practicing muslims of Islam, being it is considered their law, believe as their law instructs.

Jul 30, 2016 · The fundamental religious concept of Islam, systematized during the 2nd and 3rd centuries of the Muslim era ... As an attempt to define Allah’s law…
Shari'ah | Islamic law
Amir Hussain, a Canadian Muslim, is professor of Theological Studies at Loyola Marymount University, where he teaches courses on Islam states, when asked after the Pulse shootings:

The standard Muslim teaching is that homosexual acts are sinful and deserving of punishment in the same way that adultery or unmarried sex are considered sinful, said Amir Hussain, a professor of theology at Loyola Marymount University. A small minority of mosques in North America, and an organization partly based in Los Angeles called Muslims for Progressive Values, are openly gay-friendly, he said.

While Islam’s holy book, the Quran, does not say what kind of punishment homosexuality merits, it warrants the death penalty in the Hadith, or the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, Hussain said. But jurists differ on this issue, he said, with some arguing it warrants capital punishment, others arguing it warrants a public flogging, like with adultery, and still others arguing a judge can mete out a discretionary punishment. A few scholars from North America have made the case for same-sex marriage in Islam, Hussain said.

And according to a survey from 2013-
Overwhelming majorities in the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed also say homosexuality should be rejected, including 97% in Jordan, 95% in Egypt, 94% in Tunisia, 93% in the Palestinian territories, 93% in Indonesia, 87% in Pakistan, 86% in Malaysia, 80% in Lebanon and 78% in Turkey.
From Pew research

Now you tell me, are the refugees coming from Islamic countries going to suddenly be accepting of gays, or our laws? Particularly since most mosques teach of gays here, as Amir Hussain states, they are not to be accepted.
Is there a minute number of muslims now accepting here in the US? Yes, but many leading that fight are also gay muslims themselves.
How long will it take refugees to leave their Islamic law teachings, from which their countries live by, before they will accept our secular laws?

Yup, the law DOES protect gays in secular western countries and public opinion polls here reveal Muslims in the US - including immigrant populations are in line with mainstream opinion.


In America, Muslims Are More Likely to Support Gay Marriage Than Evangelical Christians

It is most obviously true that even to the extent that Christian social conservatism has been hostile to acceptance of gays and lesbians, it has certainly not risen to the horrifying levels of Sunday's attack by Omar Matteen, which he dedicated to the Islamic State. Certainly there have been radical Christians within the United States calling for violence against homosexuals. But their calls to arms have been ignored and are not institutionalized by authorities (with prison terms and even executions) as they frequently are in Muslim-dominated countries.

There has nevertheless been plenty of generalizations about the attitudes of Muslims toward homosexuality that has led some on the right to wonder why people are yelling at them over what happened on Saturday. I agree with conservatives that trying to deflect away from what actually happened to hobby-horse issues like gun control is an awful thing to do.



But a couple of Pew polls might help explain what's going on here. It is true that there is a tremendous amount of hostility to gays and lesbians in countries where Islam is a dominant religion. A Pew poll from 2013 had the vast majority of Muslims in 36 countries overseas declaring that homosexuality is immoral. When I say "vast majority," I mean numbers like 90 percent.


But a recent poll in 2015, also by Pew, shows that American Muslims are much less likely to share this attitude. By comparison, 45 percent of American Muslims approve of homosexuality, and 42 percent of Muslims support same-sex marriage recognition. In both cases, a greater number disapprove of acceptance than approve. But then, so do Evangelical Christians in numbers greater than American Muslims. Only 36 percent of Evangelical Christians approve of homosexuality and only 28 percent of Evangelical Christians support same-sex marriage recognition.


The good news is that support for acceptance of gays and lesbians in America has increased in all faiths between 2007 and 2014. And the point of this post is not necessarily to hold up social conservatives to criticism over an incident they had nothing to do with.


Rather, these numbers help demonstrate why exactly we cannot treat American Muslims as though they're inherently suspicious and prone to jump into extremism and jihads. American Muslims are not necessarily more conservative than many of our country's Christians. There are a whole host of different reasons for this (including the likelihood that Muslims immigrate to the United States in the first place to get away from extreme social conservatism within their own religion). Americans (including gay Americans) who interact regularly with Muslim citizens are probably less likely to see them as being profoundly different. Because they're not—in the United States.​

Support for gay marriage:

Proportionate to population sizes. That's how polls are done. If Muslims are 1% of the population you don't make them 50% of the polling population. You take a representative population in your poll.

 

[Tilly]

Hope he pulls through.

...The only British victim of the Russell Square knife rampage who is fighting for his life after he was stabbed in the stomach by teenage killer

• Bernard Hepplewhite was yards away from the American who was killed
• He suffered a serious injury when attacker thrust knife into his stomach
• Four others injured during attack have all been released from hospital

By CHRIS GREENWOOD FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 09:15, 8 August 2016 | UPDATED: 10:17, 8 August 2016

The only Briton caught up in the deadly Russell Square knife rampage remained in a serious condition in hospital last night.

Bernard Hepplewhite, 67, suffered a serious injury when a deranged attacker thrust a kitchen knife into his stomach.

The retired tax expert was just yards from US tourist Darlene Horton, 64, who suffered a fatal wound to her back.

Four others injured during the six minutes of horror, a second American, two Australians and an Israeli, have all been released from hospital.

Last night, friends of the popular widower and father of two said they believed he was returning to his home in Rochester, Kent, when the tragedy took place. ....

Briton injured in the Russell Square knife rampage fighting for life