French call for stronger EU to keep America in check

[Merlin1047]

Don't forget, France has nukes and unlike the US, they have tested theirs in recent years (South Pacific).

So? You don't have to keep on testing indefinitely. If one worked, the rest will too.

But what's the point of this discussion? We're not going to attack france, much less nuke them.

 

[theim]

ho ho ho
and USA win totally : "who kill the greatest number of civilians in only one war ?", "who have soldiers who shoot on everybody, even on civilians, wounded without weapons and prone, on journalists..... ?"
"WHo devaste a country to take its oil ?"
"who break the laws established for the most part by themselves ?"

Champion USA

I can only imagine what Europeans are feeling, being totally unimportant and all. I mean, if I lived in a country who's greatest weapon was a UN Veto, I'd be depressed and angry too.

 

[Said1]

I mean, if I lived in a country who's greatest weapon was a UN Veto, I'd be depressed and angry too.

Tsk, tsk. you mean THREATEN to veto.
And don't forget the non-binding resolutions.....scary stuff.

 

[padisha emperor]

fortunatly, theim, France is not this kind of country....
Me, I will be very very sad if I was living in a State where the world culture seems nothing, where Mc Do is God and where God is like the President - He can not be worth than the true pres. - .
In a country where, except in the Coasts, when you are in the deep country the people know nothing farther than 50 miles, where everybody believe that their are the best in all and that the rest of the world sucks, where the healthcare system is a bullshit, where the education sucks and where the Bible is teached instead of sciences in some states...
Where people are lobotomized by TV with dummies like Jerry Springer show....with a media network system who don't really inform, like Fow news, and so the population know nothing, just what the President wants what they have to know..........

What's the main US weapon ? the US TV shows ?

Zhukov, the situation in Ivory Coast and Iraq are not the same, and the French soldiers are not so impulsives than the US......how many civilians were killed buy USA in Iraq ? 10,000 ? more ?

 

[Zhukov]

Zhukov, the situation in Ivory Coast and Iraq are not the same, and the French soldiers are not so impulsives than the US......how many civilians were killed buy USA in Iraq ? 10,000 ? more ?

How many were intentionally fired upon, where the specific intent was to kill unarmed civilians?

You deliberately ignore intent.

We do not intentionally drop bombs on unarmed civilians.

Your logic equates a person who accidentally kills another in a car crash with a murderer.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

How many were intentionally fired upon, where the specific intent was to kill unarmed civilians?

You deliberately ignore intent.

We do not intentionally drop bombs on unarmed civilians.

Your logic equates a person who accidentally kills another in a car crash with a murderer.

That's french logic for you. From the same minds who brought us French Fries, French twists, french kissing and PePe LePew.

 

[padisha emperor]

zhukov, i still think that the french soldiers are more able to make peace ops than the US ones....

when you say that the US don't choose to shoot on unarmed civilian....Was the bullet dropped alone from the rifle of the guy who kill a wounded man who were prone ?
was the ammo alone exit from the tank who shoot on the hotel with the journalist ?

 

[Zhukov]

when you say that the US don't choose to shoot on unarmed civilian....Was the bullet dropped alone from the rifle of the guy who kill a wounded man who were prone ?

Was that guy's buddy killed by a terrorist pretending to be dead just the other day? Was that guy shot in the face just the other day?

The man shot was not an innocent wounded civilian. He was a terrorist who was trying to kill U.S. soldiers not 24 hours prior to that incident.

was the ammo alone exit from the tank who shoot on the hotel with the journalist ?

Yeah, you're right, someone said, "those reporters are dug in like a couple'a Alabama ticks, some one get an Abrahms over here."

 

[Merlin1047]

Was that guy's buddy killed by a terrorist pretending to be dead just the other day? Was that guy shot in the face just the other day?

The man shot was not an innocent wounded civilian. He was a terrorist who was trying to kill U.S. soldiers not 24 hours prior to that incident.



Yeah, you're right, someone said, "those reporters are dug in like a couple'a Alabama ticks, some one get an Abrahms over here."

Now Z, let's not be too hasty. Patty has a point - I mean besides his head. French soldiers are in fact more able "peace keepers" than US troops. I don't know of anyone who can run up a white flag faster than those guys. I guess that's the french secret to keeping the peace - whenever confronted with an enemy, surrender.

 

[Zhukov]

You're right. Sometimes I am too hasty. It's something I shall redouble my efforts to correct.

There are of course two ways to keep the peace.

1.) Shoot the troublemakers.

...and the method that is perhaps less effective in the long run but vastly quicker in execution and provides instant, oh.....satisfaction, we'll call it....

2.) Acquiescence to the demands of the troublemakers.

Who knows?

Given the latter course of action perhaps if one is very lucky, at some future time collaboration will be an option....

....as the junior partner of course.

 

[padisha emperor]

Now Z, let's not be too hasty. Patty has a point - I mean besides his head. French soldiers are in fact more able "peace keepers" than US troops. I don't know of anyone who can run up a white flag faster than those guys. I guess that's the french secret to keeping the peace - whenever confronted with an enemy, surrender

Merlin, Did your hate against France and French hinder you to read some history book ?

 

[eric]

to read some history book

Well Padish, I don't know how far back in time you want us to go. It certainly was not the 20th century you are speaking of. My family is from Germany and Russia and I can tell you from stories I have been told, that the French as a fighting force commanded very little respect from the above said armies. In fact they were a good source of humor amongst them. I say this not out of hate for the French, though your country's actions have recently procured a healthy dislike, but rather from simple reality !

 

[padisha emperor]

.....serious doubts...

when did your family come to USA ?
before WWII ?
son, you're a liar.
because before WWII, the french army was considered as the mightiest ground army of the world. (even Hitler, when he saw that France fall in 2 monthes, thought that England will fall in 2 weeks)
Why ? WWI, dear. La Marne, Verdun, Chemin des Dames, Champagne, .........

And now, except in USA and in coutries who don't like France, i don't think that french army is a great subject of humour......USA are fascinated by the Légion Etrangère, by the Troupes de Marine, and we've gopt the best special forces......


A country with a tradition of 2000 years of wars, and 1600 as a country, Has to have a great army.


And for WWII, I don't think that they laughed also about french : see Tooulon , 11/27/1942, or Bir Hakeim, may-june 1942, see Koufra, Sienne, Monte Cassino, Roma, Provence, Paris, Marseille....

 

[Comrade]

.....serious doubts...

when did your family come to USA ?
before WWII ?
son, you're a liar.
because before WWII, the french army was considered as the mightiest ground army of the world. (even Hitler, when he saw that France fall in 2 monthes, thought that England will fall in 2 weeks)
Why ? WWI, dear. La Marne, Verdun, Chemin des Dames, Champagne, .........

To herald the new century, France suffered revolution, bankrupted, had to sell off its American colonies, and eventually found its leader defeated and exiled... twice.

Methinks that's not an impressive record.

And now, except in USA and in coutries who don't like France,

Several hundred.

i don't think that french army is a great subject of humour......

Monty Python does!

USA are fascinated by the Légion Etrangère, by the Troupes de Marine, and we've gopt the best special forces......

Oooh La La! Oui, ze women get wet from such thoughts in America.

A country with a tradition of 2000 years of wars, and 1600 as a country, Has to have a great army.

So said the Zulu warriors of Africa.

And for WWII, I don't think that they laughed also about french : see Tooulon , 11/27/1942, or Bir Hakeim, may-june 1942, see Koufra, Sienne, Monte Cassino, Roma, Provence, Paris, Marseille....

Monte Cassino captured by who? The Free French?

Paris 'liberated' by armored vehicles loaned to de Gaulle by Patton?

Roma??? I believe the Italians themselves liberated that city.

What kind of Sam-hell history do they teach you blokes in France, anyway?

 

[padisha emperor]

Monte cassino, take by Polish, with the great job of the french colonial forces, like the morocco troops.

Roma : first amry in, French, i believe

Paris : free by itself. Patton allow Leclerc to go to Paris, but it was the 08/25, the insurrection began the 19.........the french people of paris take the weapons against the germans. Like in Marseille. In the Limousin............

the Zuu were not a contry in my sense : no sovereignity recognized by ohters countries. not a "real country" of you prefer. A nation, yes.

for the Legion, I still say that YOU are fascinated by the Legion, and the Seals copy their tranning upon the Legion's one.

You hate France, so of course you, believe we are cowards and bastards....not at all...


In fact, you can hate me. If you hate me and hate France without reasons, I think it stupid but i let you....but the fact that you believe France never won a war or France has a fucking History or France is a coward nation...that's wrong, so it hurts me and the Truth.

I think also that France is less hated in the world than USA....Champion USA...always this aim to be the first, also for the most-hated country.


Lot of countries can laugh about french army, it is their right....but they forget that France probably defeat them one day....


but stop this little war.
History is on my side, I'm sure of it....and the Truth walks on History side...

 

[freeandfun1]

ahem.... isn't the Legion Called the French "Foreign" Legion because the vast majority of the soldiers are FOREIGNERS and NOT French?

Also, Monte Cassino captured by the Polish and the French? Are you fucking nuts? you better tell my uncle (whom was injured there), as well as Bob Dole and the thousands of other US Soldiers that fought for that place that it was really the French that fought and died there and not them.... hmmmmm

Really, what kind of history do they teach in France? Oh, I know, they teach historical-fiction........

 

[freeandfun1]

 

[freeandfun1]

The Complete Military History of France

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- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you."



With only an hour and a half of research, Jonathan Duczkowski provided the following losses:

Norse invasions, 841-911.
After having their way with the French for 70 years, the Norse are bribed by a French King named Charles the Simple (really!) who gave them Normandy in return for peace. Normans proceed to become just about the only positive military bonus in France's [favour] for next 500 years.

Mexico, 1863-1864.
France attempts to take advantage of Mexico's weakness following its thorough thrashing by the U.S. 20 years earlier ("Halls of Montezuma"). Not surprisingly, the only unit to distinguish itself is the French Foreign Legion (consisting of, by definition, non-Frenchmen). Booted out of the country a little over a year after arrival.

Panama jungles 1881-1890.
No one but nature to fight, France still loses; canal is eventually built by the U.S. 1904-1914.

Napoleonic Wars.
Should be noted that the Grand Armee was largely (~%50) composed of non-Frenchmen after 1804 or so. Mainly disgruntled minorities and anti-monarchists. Not surprisingly, these performed better than the French on many occasions.

Haiti, 1791-1804.
French defeated by rebellion after sacrificing 4,000 Poles to yellow fever. Shows another rule of French warfare; when in doubt, send an ally.

India, 1673-1813.
British were far more charming then French, ended up victors. Therefore the British are well known for their tea, and the French for their whine (er, wine...). Ensures 200 years of bad teeth in England.

Barbary Wars, middle ages-1830.
Pirates in North Africa continually harass European shipping in Meditteranean. France's solution: pay them to leave us alone. America's solution: kick their asses ("the Shores of Tripoli"). [America's] first overseas victories, won 1801-1815.

1798-1801, Quasi-War with U.S.
French privateers (semi-legal pirates) attack U.S. shipping. U.S. fights France at sea for 3 years; French eventually cave; sets precedent for next 200 years of Franco-American relations.

Moors in Spain, late 700s-early 800s.
Even with Charlemagne leading them against an enemy living in a hostile land, French are unable to make much progress. Hide behind Pyrennes until the modern day.

French-on-French losses (probably should be counted as victories too, just to be fair):

1208: Albigenses Crusade, French massacared by French.
When asked how to differentiate a heretic from the faithful, response was "Kill them all. God will know His own." Lesson: French are badasses when fighting unarmed men, women and children.

St. Bartholomew Day Massacre, August 24, 1572.
Once again, French-on-French slaughter.

Third Crusade.
Philip Augustus of France throws hissy-fit, leaves Crusade for Richard the Lion Heart to finish.

Seventh Crusade.
St. Louis of France leads Crusade to Egypt. Resoundingly crushed.

[Eighth] Crusade.
St. Louis back in action, this time in Tunis. See Seventh Crusade.

Also should be noted that France attempted to hide behind the Maginot line, sticking their head in the sand and pretending that the Germans would enter France that way. By doing so, the Germans would have been breaking with their traditional route of invading France, entering through Belgium (Napoleonic Wars, Franco-Prussian War, World War I, etc.). French ignored this though, and put all their effort into these defenses.

 

[padisha emperor]

this thing is really known......not the first time that I see it....maybe the fifth.....

Wrong, totally....

Freeand fun : the french FOREIGN legion, yes....all the officers, or not far, are French, , and more than 50% of the soldiers. But when the French go inot it, they take other nationality : belgian, canadian, swiss.......One of my friend had the belgian one.
So, this corps has a majority of french, so shut your mouth when you say something wrong.

 

[Said1]

But when the French go inot it, they take other nationality : belgian, canadian, swiss.......One of my friend had the belgian one.
So, this corps has a majority of french, so shut your mouth when you say something wrong.

You forgot German nazis.

Maintenant aller manger la merde.


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