French Have Got A Hell Of A Mess In Ivory Coast

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    seems like they can't even hold a peace agreement together, why would we want them with a say in iraq?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6404613/

    Bombing kills 8 French soldiers in Ivory Coast
    23 injured; military retaliates by destroying government fighter jets

    MSNBC News Services
    Updated: 11:21 a.m. ET Nov. 6, 2004
    ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast - Eight French soldiers were killed when Ivory Coast government warplanes bombed French positions in the rebel-held town of Bouake on Saturday, a United Nations official said.

    The French military retaliated by destroying two Ivorian Sukhoi fighter jets on the ground at Yamoussoukro airport, a French military spokesman in Abidjan said.

    Government warplanes carried out bombing raids across the rebel-held north for a third day on Saturday, fuelling fears of a slide back into full-blown hostilities in the world’s top cocoa grower which could threaten a fragile peace in the region.

    “Military sources from the U.N. said that two Sukhoi (warplanes) belonging to the Ivorian army have just been destroyed by the French after these aircraft targeted and hit a French target,” said Jean-Victor Nkolo, spokesman for the U.N. mission in Ivory Coast.

    “Eight were killed and 23 wounded. All were French military,” he said.

    The French military spokesman said the French barracks in the rebel stronghold of Bouake had been hit, but he had no information on casualties.

    Government warplanes attacked Bouake shortly after French and U.N. officials heard reports of machinegun and artillery fire around the city.

    “Bombs were dropped by planes (around 8 a.m. ET) ... and we heard sporadic machine gunfire at the southern entrance to the city,” a U.N. official said by telephone from the U.N. peacekeeping base in Bouake.

    Ivorian army warns of land invasion
    Ivorian army officers have warned a land invasion would follow the air raids to chase out the rebels who have controlled the north since the war that followed their failed attempt to oust President Laurent Gbagbo in September 2002.

    Some 10,000 French and U.N. soldiers police the buffer zone around a cease-fire line that separates the rebels from the government-run south.

    U.N. peacekeepers stopped two army convoys trying to cross into the buffer zone on Friday, but rebel leaders have accused the multinational force of not doing more to counter the government attacks.

    In the northwestern town of Man around a thousand protesters hurled Molotov cocktails at French forces, venting anger at what they saw as the former colonial power’s slowness to intervene.

    “Two of our vehicles were burned and destroyed. Three stores containing food, water and petrol were burned down,” said Henry Aussavy, spokesman for the French troops in Ivory Coast.

    Medical aid group evacuates some staff
    Aid workers in the rebel-held western town of Danane, just 17 miles from the border with Liberia, said they were preparing for an imminent attack.

    Fearing a spread of the fighting, the France-based relief group Medecins Sans Frontieres, or Doctors Without Border, told The Associated Press Saturday it was evacuating some staff from its hospital in the western town of Danane, about 20 miles from Ivory Coast’s border with Liberia. The west saw some of the most brutal attacks of the war.

    “We are very worried,” the aid group’s spokeswoman Vanessa van Schoor said. “We really hope that the hospital will not be attacked. We still have patients inside. The population of Danane has suffered a great deal already” in the war.

    Van Schoor said the hospital would remain functioning. She declined to say how many staffers were being brought out or where they were being taken.

    French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said on Friday the U.N. may beef up the mandate of the peacekeeping troops to prevent fighting between government forces and rebels.

    “The secretary general will be left with no choice but to give the forces specific rules of engagement that will allow them to deal with the situation,” U.N. spokesman Nkolo said.

    “Something is being worked out as we speak and could be delivered today or tomorrow,” he said.

    The air raids have so far targeted Bouake and at least three towns to the east and west, the first major hostilities since a truce signed in May last year ended fighting which killed thousands and uprooted over a million.

    The United Nations said 20 civilians and two rebels were killed in Friday’s strikes alone.

    War killed thousands
    Ivory Coast’s war killed thousands and uprooted more than 1 million, threatening efforts by neighboring countries — Sierra Leone and Liberia — to recover from their own vicious civil wars of the 1990s.

    Last year’s peace deals, brokered under international pressure, ended major fighting but an agreed-upon power-sharing government has never taken hold.

    The U.N. Security Council — which has poured billions of dollars and thousands of peace troops into West and Central Africa to support peace accords — expressed alarm at the renewed fighting, as have France, the United States and others.

    Nigerian President Olosegun Obasanjo, current president of the African Union, opened talks with regional leaders Saturday at his farm on the outskirts of Nigeria’s commercial capital, Lagos, to look for a way out of the crisis.

    Senior African Union officials were among those attending. Remi Oyo, Obasanjo’s spokeswoman, declined to say if Ivory Coast government or rebel representatives would take part.

    The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
     
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    They have been largely ignored by both sides (government and rebels) for some time now. If we watch the situation there closely, I bet we'll soon see the French begin to draw down their military presence. Eventually, they'll pull out without having had significant impact there.
     
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    Oh yes...and USA are able to give advice for the "peace operation".....Iraq is a perfect illustration of the "peace ops", by USA : 100,000 iraqi killed, how much destruction ?
    in Ivory Coast, the rebels and the government want opposite things....hard to accord them...

    Excuse me if I prefer be sad for these 8 guys, these 23 wounded, and their families, instead of laughing about them.
     
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    None of us were laughing about the dead, one of which was American. They all had families, will be mourned and each loss is a personal tragedy.

    The point dealt with the UN/French decision-makers. Are their actions actually helpful to resolving the conflict in the Ivory Coast and do they have the conviction to stay until that conflict is resolved? It's probably safe to say that most of us here doubt it.
     
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    This mess couldn't have happened to a "nicer" country..


    ROFLOL - SUCK IT YOU FRENCH PUSSY BASTARDS!!! :p
     
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    -Cp, shut up.
    9 french soldiers were cowardicely killed by planes.
    French army ripost and destroy 2 planes and 6 copters.

    You seems to enjoy of it.
    Proof of your stupidity.

    Kentucky : you know, the conflict in Ivory Coast is hard.
    The Abidjan's population burn french schools and french houses, because they don't understand why France shoots and destroy 8 of their aircrafts. Maybe they ignore that these aircrafts, planes and copters, bombered before the french postitions. If they ignore it, I understand why they are angry...

    the French presence, under the mandate of UN, is here to keep peaceful the country. Since the french arrival, the fights between government and rebels are less numerous, maybe there is no more fights. SO, they have not an ennemy - government and rebels - , or they can't kick it, so, they attack the french. Because if the french would leave Ivory Coast, the fights between the 2 factions wil happen again, for the control of the country.
    the french soldiers stop these fights. It was the aim of the "Force Licorne" - name of the french troops here under mandate of UN - .

    If there is a conversation with the main characters, a clue would maybe appear.
    But the rebels hate the government, this one hates the rebels, abnd both don't like french because they stop the fights.

    For me, the question is : what the french sghould have to do ?
    If the french army riposts with violence to sho itmight, 2 solutions : -the Ivorians are dissuaded, and no more fights
    -the Ivorians are revolted by this demonstration of force, take it for an agression, and do a total war

    so, 2 opposite possible end for the same operation.

    Another way : the french ripost proportionnaly with the attacks; like yesterday : they are attacked, they destroy or catch the people or vehicles who attacked them.

    2 solutions here, again : - Ivorians take this kindof ripost as a proof of weakness : the french make no force demonstration >> so it show they are affarid.
    - Ivorians admit that the frecnh riposts are temporized, no more climb of the violence.

    I think this last kind of way is the better : the ripost is not too hard to kill lots of people without relation with the attack, the ripost only neutralize the attackers. But the ripost show also the determination of the french amry : we will ripost with temporization, but ripost all the same : if somebody attack us and kill or wound our soldiers, we will punish him.

    Not too hard - so, not rebellion of population - but not too weak, to show the determination.



    The aim of the french forces is to prevent the fight between the 2 camps, and also to protect the foreigners, about 20,000 people.
     
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    okay, I know censorship is frowned upon, but can we just please ban this dumb c*nt? I am really sick and tired of her shit. She contributes nothing and just pisses me off. I can't even stand to read more than 1 sentence of her dribble before I want to puke.
     
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    Why "her", dummy ? Julien is a male name...

    Your reaction is typical of the close-minded.
    I explain the situation in Ivory Coast, and try to find a solution, and you insult me....

    Don't say "I don't care of Ivory Coast and the french shit", because you have no obligation to answer here, and it is not me, the French, who launch this thread.....

    Now, go away, go on the street to kick some homosexual and kill some mother who want the abortion, like the good "christian" conservator you are.
     
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    Look at your reply and then try to take the high ground.

    Now go lick some poodle shit of the streets. God knows there is plenty of it in Paris.
     
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    freeandfun1 often makes excellent points and I respect his/her opinion a great deal but I have to disagree with this one. Padisha emperor (P_E) offers a different perspective that I rarely agree with but which I, personally, often find illuminating. He/she is a willing specimen of French opinion and we should view P_E as such. Banning P_E simply because we don't agree with the French position would deny us here an important opportunity to learn how these folks think.
     

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