Freedom of Speechin in Two Worlds.

[Hossfly]

The Church of Reconciliation, a Presbyterian USA church in Chapel Hill, paid for 98 ads, which were taken down 10 days after being posted because they did not include the church’s contact information. The ads were revised and returned to the buses a few days later.

But residents Adam Goldstein and Michael Ross said the ads are offensive to Jews

Ross, with the Triangle group, Voice 4 Israel,

Resident Fred Shectman said the policy puts the council in the position of deciding what religious and political ads are appropriate and dealing with potential lawsuits. But civil rights attorney Mark Dorosin said the town runs the risk of violating First Amendment free speech rights if it only accepts commercial ads.


Bus ads against Israeli aid draw crowd in Chapel Hill - Local - NewsObserver.com

fred shectman...adam goldstein...a dude named michael ross from voice for israel...

mos def paddys...posin' as the chosen.

the deal is, things like this are going on all over tthe country. people are putting up ads and billboards and protesting and ews and jewish orgs are shutting it down briefly but civil rights attorneys are having them put back up on the basis that the removal of the material constitutes a violation of the first amendment right of freedom of speech, and we have seen that same attitude displayed by jewish posters on this thread, defending the removal of the posters and pretending that the action against the posters was instigated bt a broad based community at large and not mainly by jewish residents.

it is just the truth, and if ya go whining about me being "anti-semitic", all you are saying is that the truth is anti-semitic. it's ust the facts, jack.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jews world-wide don't tolerate discussion very well, when it comes to any remote criticism of them as a group. The past holocausts on them created a mind-set that makes them very wary of any criticism. But here in America our forefathers put the most important Value thus far in Human-Kind: the right of free speech which will be adopted world-wide.

In America most people laugh off this kind of Legal Whining. Anti-Semitism in polls is Less than anti-Christian....

Its time to relax, America is your safe-haven.

Of course Pbel would never say anything if any Muslim organization like C.A.I.R. complained about something. He is so looking forward to being a Dhimmi. Meanwhile, I wonder if Pbel could tell us why the majority of hate crimes in America are against the Jews and the Blacks.

 

[irosie91]

Peeballs dances on the dead bodies of those killed over a little nothing of a home made video that muslims do not like and gets all bent out of shape because a jew voiced an objection to an insulting ad what would Jesus do? keep in mind----Jesus was a muslim----ask any Imam

 

[SAYIT]

yeah. these ads were only up for seconds when a big bolt from above struck city council members and they realised the signs didn't comply with their policies. you can lie to people all you want, but don't assume all of them are stupid.

I will respectfully request just this time that you post proof for your claim that "it really is funny how these ads and billboards are perfectly acceptable and are up for days until jewish money and influence come to town" and then this will get very ugly.

it's already ugly, but i just did post it and you are sucking hind tit again.

ya know, it really isn't that hard to figure out. do you really think us goyim are mounting campaigns to protect criticism of your "shitty little state."

it's like when all the peeps on the advisory board of the carter cemter resigned over "peace, not apartheid". it was made to sound like it was a big deal in the jewish papers, not much mainstream papers even carried it. it turns out that it was a total of maybe 14 people, and all were jewish, and those peoploe who resigned only comprised a very small percentage of the advisory board, (figurees may be of slightly...say it doesn't warant my wasting my time with his histrionics and lies anymore.)

So let me be sure I fully understand your rage.
A few Jews stand peacefully before a Chapel Hill council meeting and express their concern (their concern, not mine) about some bus ads and you squeal for days on this Mideast board that "the Jews are attacking our rights!"
Meanwhile, thousands of those you shill for here riot in the Mideast, attack our embassies there and kill 4 American diplomats and you are as calm as a hindu cow.
Is that about right, Princess?

 

[SAYIT]

Peeballs dances on the dead bodies of those killed over a little nothing of a home made video that muslims do not like and gets all bent out of shape because a jew voiced an objection to an insulting ad what would Jesus do? keep in mind----Jesus was a muslim----ask any Imam

Exactly, and Seal is on the same warpath. They couldn't whine about the Joooos in the matter of those slaughtered American diplomats so they were completely disinterested.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I will respectfully request just this time that you post proof for your claim that "it really is funny how these ads and billboards are perfectly acceptable and are up for days until jewish money and influence come to town" and then this will get very ugly.

it's already ugly, but i just did post it and you are sucking hind tit again.

ya know, it really isn't that hard to figure out. do you really think us goyim are mounting campaigns to protect criticism of your "shitty little state."

it's like when all the peeps on the advisory board of the carter cemter resigned over "peace, not apartheid". it was made to sound like it was a big deal in the jewish papers, not much mainstream papers even carried it. it turns out that it was a total of maybe 14 people, and all were jewish, and those peoploe who resigned only comprised a very small percentage of the advisory board, (figurees may be of slightly...say it doesn't warant my wasting my time with his histrionics and lies anymore.)

So let me be sure I fully understand your rage.
A few Jews stand peacefully before a Chapel Hill council meeting and express their concern (their concern, not mine) about some bus ads and you squeal for days on this Mideast board that "the Jews are attacking our rights!"
Meanwhile, thousands of those you shill for here riot in the Mideast, attack our embassies there and kill 4 American diplomats and you are as calm as a hindu cow.
Is that about right, Princess?

Not quite. He was a little upset about the deaths when he thought the instigator was Jewish. But that flew right out the window when the truth came out. And he was the first one to accuse the Jews unjustly.

 

[SAYIT]

The Church of Reconciliation, a Presbyterian USA church in Chapel Hill, paid for 98 ads, which were taken down 10 days after being posted because they did not include the church’s contact information. The ads were revised and returned to the buses a few days later.

But residents Adam Goldstein and Michael Ross said the ads are offensive to Jews

Ross, with the Triangle group, Voice 4 Israel,

Resident Fred Shectman said the policy puts the council in the position of deciding what religious and political ads are appropriate and dealing with potential lawsuits. But civil rights attorney Mark Dorosin said the town runs the risk of violating First Amendment free speech rights if it only accepts commercial ads.


Bus ads against Israeli aid draw crowd in Chapel Hill - Local - NewsObserver.com

fred shectman...adam goldstein...a dude named michael ross from voice for israel...

mos def paddys...posin' as the chosen.

the deal is, things like this are going on all over tthe country. people are putting up ads and billboards and protesting and ews and jewish orgs are shutting it down briefly but civil rights attorneys are having them put back up on the basis that the removal of the material constitutes a violation of the first amendment right of freedom of speech, and we have seen that same attitude displayed by jewish posters on this thread, defending the removal of the posters and pretending that the action against the posters was instigated bt a broad based community at large and not mainly by jewish residents.

it is just the truth, and if ya go whining about me being "anti-semitic", all you are saying is that the truth is anti-semitic. it's ust the facts, jack.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jews world-wide don't tolerate discussion very well, when it comes to any remote criticism of them as a group...

That you are certain "that Jews world-wide don't tolerate ... any remote criticism ... very well" is strictly your opinion and you are welcome to it but consider for a moment just how much of it - mostly bogus Nazi BS - is leveled at them.
Hell, just consider how much of it is posted on this obscure message board by just a handfull fo hateful posters. The vast majority of it is ignored because there just aren't enough hours in the day to set the record straight and isn't that, after all, what you are banking on?

 

[SAYIT]

The Church of Reconciliation, a Presbyterian USA church in Chapel Hill, paid for 98 ads, which were taken down 10 days after being posted because they did not include the church’s contact information. The ads were revised and returned to the buses a few days later.

But residents Adam Goldstein and Michael Ross said the ads are offensive to Jews

Ross, with the Triangle group, Voice 4 Israel,

Resident Fred Shectman said the policy puts the council in the position of deciding what religious and political ads are appropriate and dealing with potential lawsuits. But civil rights attorney Mark Dorosin said the town runs the risk of violating First Amendment free speech rights if it only accepts commercial ads.


Bus ads against Israeli aid draw crowd in Chapel Hill - Local - NewsObserver.com

fred shectman...adam goldstein...a dude named michael ross from voice for israel...

mos def paddys...posin' as the chosen.

the deal is, things like this are going on all over tthe country. people are putting up ads and billboards and protesting and ews and jewish orgs are shutting it down briefly but civil rights attorneys are having them put back up on the basis that the removal of the material constitutes a violation of the first amendment right of freedom of speech, and we have seen that same attitude displayed by jewish posters on this thread, defending the removal of the posters and pretending that the action against the posters was instigated bt a broad based community at large and not mainly by jewish residents.

it is just the truth, and if ya go whining about me being "anti-semitic", all you are saying is that the truth is anti-semitic. it's ust the facts, jack.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jews world-wide don't tolerate discussion very well, when it comes to any remote criticism of them as a group. The past holocausts on them created a mind-set that makes them very wary of any criticism. But here in America our forefathers put the most important Value thus far in Human-Kind: the right of free speech which will be adopted world-wide.

In America most people laugh off this kind of Legal Whining. Anti-Semitism in polls is Less than anti-Christian....

Its time to relax, America is your safe-haven.

You are right that many Jews are more than a little sensitive to the kind of hate spewed by people just like you, Princess, and there are plenty of Big Lies and Blood Libels which have led directly to "past holocausts." You have been a minor contributor with your 3 day performance in the matter of Nakoula Nakoula and his "100 NYC" Jewish donors and the many other lies you've posted.
Boys like you are eager to add to the cacophony in hopes of instigating the next Holocaust. I have no doubt you think you're slick but you fool no one but like-minded Nazi slugs.

 

[SAYIT]

The Church of Reconciliation, a Presbyterian USA church in Chapel Hill, paid for 98 ads, which were taken down 10 days after being posted because they did not include the church’s contact information. The ads were revised and returned to the buses a few days later.

But residents Adam Goldstein and Michael Ross said the ads are offensive to Jews

Ross, with the Triangle group, Voice 4 Israel,

Resident Fred Shectman said the policy puts the council in the position of deciding what religious and political ads are appropriate and dealing with potential lawsuits. But civil rights attorney Mark Dorosin said the town runs the risk of violating First Amendment free speech rights if it only accepts commercial ads.


Bus ads against Israeli aid draw crowd in Chapel Hill - Local - NewsObserver.com

fred shectman...adam goldstein...a dude named michael ross from voice for israel...

mos def paddys...posin' as the chosen.

the deal is, things like this are going on all over tthe country. people are putting up ads and billboards and protesting and ews and jewish orgs are shutting it down briefly but civil rights attorneys are having them put back up on the basis that the removal of the material constitutes a violation of the first amendment right of freedom of speech, and we have seen that same attitude displayed by jewish posters on this thread, defending the removal of the posters and pretending that the action against the posters was instigated bt a broad based community at large and not mainly by jewish residents.

it is just the truth, and if ya go whining about me being "anti-semitic", all you are saying is that the truth is anti-semitic. it's ust the facts, jack.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jews world-wide don't tolerate discussion very well, when it comes to any remote criticism of them as a group. The past holocausts on them created a mind-set that makes them very wary of any criticism. But here in America our forefathers put the most important Value thus far in Human-Kind: the right of free speech which will be adopted world-wide.

In America most people laugh off this kind of Legal Whining. Anti-Semitism in polls is Less than anti-Christian....

Its time to relax, America is your safe-haven.

Of course Pbel would never say anything if any Muslim organization like C.A.I.R. complained about something. He is so looking forward to being a Dhimmi. Meanwhile, I wonder if Pbel could tell us why the majority of hate crimes in America are against the Jews and the Blacks.

I can picture him on all fours screaming "beat me, beat me!" He seems a pathetic glutton for punishment.

 

[sealadaigh]

it's already ugly, but i just did post it and you are sucking hind tit again.

ya know, it really isn't that hard to figure out. do you really think us goyim are mounting campaigns to protect criticism of your "shitty little state."

it's like when all the peeps on the advisory board of the carter cemter resigned over "peace, not apartheid". it was made to sound like it was a big deal in the jewish papers, not much mainstream papers even carried it. it turns out that it was a total of maybe 14 people, and all were jewish, and those peoploe who resigned only comprised a very small percentage of the advisory board, (figurees may be of slightly...say it doesn't warant my wasting my time with his histrionics and lies anymore.)

So let me be sure I fully understand your rage.
A few Jews stand peacefully before a Chapel Hill council meeting and express their concern (their concern, not mine) about some bus ads and you squeal for days on this Mideast board that "the Jews are attacking our rights!"
Meanwhile, thousands of those you shill for here riot in the Mideast, attack our embassies there and kill 4 American diplomats and you are as calm as a hindu cow.
Is that about right, Princess?

Not quite. He was a little upset about the deaths when he thought the instigator was Jewish. But that flew right out the window when the truth came out. And he was the first one to accuse the Jews unjustly.

i was the one who posted condolences without political comment or frenzy while almost all of you were licking your chops over the four dead americans.

you're a liar. i said that that the stories that the film maker was jewish were allegations.

hoss was the one who lumped me into that group. i was one of the first to say the claims that he was ewish were highly suspect.

thanks again, hoss. isn't there something about bearing false witness in your beliefs.

 

[sealadaigh]

I will respectfully request just this time that you post proof for your claim that "it really is funny how these ads and billboards are perfectly acceptable and are up for days until jewish money and influence come to town" and then this will get very ugly.

it's already ugly, but i just did post it and you are sucking hind tit again.

ya know, it really isn't that hard to figure out. do you really think us goyim are mounting campaigns to protect criticism of your "shitty little state."

it's like when all the peeps on the advisory board of the carter cemter resigned over "peace, not apartheid". it was made to sound like it was a big deal in the jewish papers, not much mainstream papers even carried it. it turns out that it was a total of maybe 14 people, and all were jewish, and those peoploe who resigned only comprised a very small percentage of the advisory board, (figurees may be of slightly...say it doesn't warant my wasting my time with his histrionics and lies anymore.)

So let me be sure I fully understand your rage.
A few Jews stand peacefully before a Chapel Hill council meeting and express their concern (their concern, not mine) about some bus ads and you squeal for days on this Mideast board that "the Jews are attacking our rights!"
Meanwhile, thousands of those you shill for here riot in the Mideast, attack our embassies there and kill 4 American diplomats and you are as calm as a hindu cow.
Is that about right, Princess?

no, you do not have it right, but you seldom do. and i don't think i said "the jews". i may have and if i did i apologise, depending on the context.

this is strictly about free speech, and more particularly about the double standard exhibited by those who have screamed about it regarding the libyan incident as opposed to the bus signs and your lies about them...and me.

it seems as though you have no problem with free speech being abridged by money and power in the USA. i do.

to me though, free speech is free speech and should never be prohibited.

 

[Hossfly]

So let me be sure I fully understand your rage.
A few Jews stand peacefully before a Chapel Hill council meeting and express their concern (their concern, not mine) about some bus ads and you squeal for days on this Mideast board that "the Jews are attacking our rights!"
Meanwhile, thousands of those you shill for here riot in the Mideast, attack our embassies there and kill 4 American diplomats and you are as calm as a hindu cow.
Is that about right, Princess?

Not quite. He was a little upset about the deaths when he thought the instigator was Jewish. But that flew right out the window when the truth came out. And he was the first one to accuse the Jews unjustly.

i was the one who posted condolences without political comment or frenzy while almost all of you were licking your chops over the four dead americans.

you're a liar. i said that that the stories that the film maker was jewish were allegations.

hoss was the one who lumped me into that group. i was one of the first to say the claims that he was ewish were highly suspect.

thanks again, hoss. isn't there something about bearing false witness in your beliefs.

What?

 

[MHunterB]

"lolol...imagine the pennsylvania amish trying to defend apartheid south africa and have the campaign (which included bus ads, billboards, TV commercials etc.) for the end of that apartheid portrayed as anti-dutch...and imagine those same amish calling the largely black american community who led the fight against apartheid as doing so as anti-dutch racists."

LOLOL indeed! What a completely ignorant and idiotic 'analogy' on so many grounds!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!! The Amish have NO connection to the Netherlands, NONE.

and where did i mention "netherlands". the designation "dutch/deutsch were intermingled a lot when i was growing up, and still is considerably. why the hell do you think the amish are called the pennsylvania dutch, as were the afrikaners called the dutch africans. they all pretty much come from german, flemish, dutch, swiss, belgium, french stock.

out here where i am now, there is a small "dutch", as they call themselves, community just south of me. they are austrian.

you just like to nitpick. you are still pissed about that "ugly american" thing, aren't you?

i do see we are getting away rom the free speech issue...good job.

Please do stop spewing lies like that. 'Dutch' people, like boers, are from Holland/Nederlands. The Amish are from Germany, albeit 250years ago. To them, the rest of us are all 'English' - and they still speak a dialect of German among themselves.

I grew up a scant few miles from Lancaster Cty, and went to school with Mennonite kids who knew the Amish (there's a bit of overlap between the two communities).

Germans are German and Dutch are Dutch and Austrians are Austrian - they can tell the difference.

PERHAPS you are not in error or lying and the "Amish" near you are different from the ones I grew up visiting so frequently.


It's amusing how you continue to poke and poke and try to imagine you 'know' what I'm thinking. We all know that it is impossible to read another's thoughts. Why you'd want to keep pretending something so ridiculous is beyond me: it doesn't make you look any more reasonable or rational.

Quite the opposite - it's the kind of thing a delusional individual would do. Not exactly a way to INcrease your credibility, that.......

 

[MHunterB]

Sealie- Go 'mix up' some Russians and Ukranians and Poles, and see how amused they all are when you tell 'em they're basically all the same, LOL!

 

[patrickcaturday]

The Church of Reconciliation, a Presbyterian USA church in Chapel Hill, paid for 98 ads, which were taken down 10 days after being posted because they did not include the church’s contact information. The ads were revised and returned to the buses a few days later.

But residents Adam Goldstein and Michael Ross said the ads are offensive to Jews

Ross, with the Triangle group, Voice 4 Israel,

Resident Fred Shectman said the policy puts the council in the position of deciding what religious and political ads are appropriate and dealing with potential lawsuits. But civil rights attorney Mark Dorosin said the town runs the risk of violating First Amendment free speech rights if it only accepts commercial ads.


Bus ads against Israeli aid draw crowd in Chapel Hill - Local - NewsObserver.com

fred shectman...adam goldstein...a dude named michael ross from voice for israel...

mos def paddys...posin' as the chosen.

the deal is, things like this are going on all over tthe country. people are putting up ads and billboards and protesting and ews and jewish orgs are shutting it down briefly but civil rights attorneys are having them put back up on the basis that the removal of the material constitutes a violation of the first amendment right of freedom of speech, and we have seen that same attitude displayed by jewish posters on this thread, defending the removal of the posters and pretending that the action against the posters was instigated bt a broad based community at large and not mainly by jewish residents.

it is just the truth, and if ya go whining about me being "anti-semitic", all you are saying is that the truth is anti-semitic. it's ust the facts, jack.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jews world-wide don't tolerate discussion very well, when it comes to any remote criticism of them as a group. The past holocausts on them created a mind-set that makes them very wary of any criticism. But here in America our forefathers put the most important Value thus far in Human-Kind: the right of free speech which will be adopted world-wide.

In America most people laugh off this kind of Legal Whining. Anti-Semitism in polls is Less than anti-Christian....

Its time to relax, America is your safe-haven.

You are right that many Jews are more than a little sensitive to the kind of hate spewed by people just like you, Princess, and there are plenty of Big Lies and Blood Libels which have led directly to "past holocausts." You have been a minor contributor with your 3 day performance in the matter of Nakoula Nakoula and his "100 NYC" Jewish donors and the many other lies you've posted.
Boys like you are eager to add to the cacophony in hopes of instigating the next Holocaust. I have no doubt you think you're slick but you fool no one but like-minded Nazi slugs.

What a well reasoned, intellectual argument. Just one question, do you think that your continual use of the appellations Princess and Nazi slugs enhance your arguments or do you think that people, even your supporters, walk away from your diatribes feeling stained by the hatred and filth that you continuously spew ???

 

[MHunterB]

PatCat, why don't you tell us a bit about yourself?

 

[SAYIT]

it's already ugly, but i just did post it and you are sucking hind tit again.

ya know, it really isn't that hard to figure out. do you really think us goyim are mounting campaigns to protect criticism of your "shitty little state."

it's like when all the peeps on the advisory board of the carter cemter resigned over "peace, not apartheid". it was made to sound like it was a big deal in the jewish papers, not much mainstream papers even carried it. it turns out that it was a total of maybe 14 people, and all were jewish, and those peoploe who resigned only comprised a very small percentage of the advisory board, (figurees may be of slightly...say it doesn't warant my wasting my time with his histrionics and lies anymore.)

So let me be sure I fully understand your rage.
A few Jews stand peacefully before a Chapel Hill council meeting and express their concern (their concern, not mine) about some bus ads and you squeal for days on this Mideast board that "the Jews are attacking our rights!"
Meanwhile, thousands of those you shill for here riot in the Mideast, attack our embassies there and kill 4 American diplomats and you are as calm as a hindu cow.
Is that about right, Princess?

no, you do not have it right, but you seldom do. and i don't think i said "the jews". i may have and if i did i apologise, depending on the context.

You do this crap like its your job, conveniently "forgetting" the hateful crap you post a day earlier.
Your words:
"it really is funny how these ads and billboards are perfectly acceptable and are up for days until jewish money and influence come to town and all of a sudden "we've re-examined our policies" and poof."

Fuck you, asshole.

 

[SAYIT]

it's already ugly, but i just did post it and you are sucking hind tit again.

ya know, it really isn't that hard to figure out. do you really think us goyim are mounting campaigns to protect criticism of your "shitty little state."

it's like when all the peeps on the advisory board of the carter cemter resigned over "peace, not apartheid". it was made to sound like it was a big deal in the jewish papers, not much mainstream papers even carried it. it turns out that it was a total of maybe 14 people, and all were jewish, and those peoploe who resigned only comprised a very small percentage of the advisory board, (figurees may be of slightly...say it doesn't warant my wasting my time with his histrionics and lies anymore.)

So let me be sure I fully understand your rage.
A few Jews stand peacefully before a Chapel Hill council meeting and express their concern (their concern, not mine) about some bus ads and you squeal for days on this Mideast board that "the Jews are attacking our rights!"
Meanwhile, thousands of those you shill for here riot in the Mideast, attack our embassies there and kill 4 American diplomats and you are as calm as a hindu cow.
Is that about right, Princess?

no, you do not have it right, but you seldom do. and i don't think i said "the jews". i may have and if i did i apologise, depending on the context.

this is strictly about free speech, and more particularly about the double standard exhibited by those who have screamed about it regarding the libyan incident as opposed to the bus signs and your lies about them...and me.

it seems as though you have no problem with free speech being abridged by money and power in the USA. i do.

to me though, free speech is free speech and should never be prohibited.

In fact I have specifically posted that I do not find the ads to be offensive, that I support the transit company's right to sell ad space to the Presbyterians and I do not believe in abridging our 1st Amendment rights. That's just another of your many lies about me.
As you readily admit this is a free speech issue you should not have posted it on this Mideast board. You did so just so you could bitch about the Jooooos. You're soooo predictable.
"it really is funny how these ads and billboards are perfectly acceptable and are up for days until jewish money and influence come to town and all of a sudden "we've re-examined our policies" and poof." - RubadubSeal

 

[sealadaigh]

Sealie- Go 'mix up' some Russians and Ukranians and Poles, and see how amused they all are when you tell 'em they're basically all the same, LOL!

i consider it an honour to have you stalk me. you are far superior to MJB.

i did not say they were all the same. i was talking about language, and later, your propensity to nitpick with arrogance, which i had withheld judgement on until it became abundantly clear with "the ugly american" exchange. before that, i only had strong suspicions.

smile, maggie. laugh.

 

[MHunterB]

Yes, Seal - I DO take issue with aggressive ignorance. UNlike yourself, other posters who are 'down 'n' dirty' in their posting style don't have pretensions of being 'noble' or 'moral' or anything but ordinary people.

If you didn't keep trying to pimp the Big Lie that you are someone 'more moral' than other posters, I could ignore the stupidity. It's the arrogance on top of that which so revolts me.

 

[sealadaigh]

Yes, Seal - I DO take issue with aggressive ignorance. UNlike yourself, other posters who are 'down 'n' dirty' in their posting style don't have pretensions of being 'noble' or 'moral' or anything but ordinary people.

If you didn't keep trying to pimp the Big Lie that you are someone 'more moral' than other posters, I could ignore the stupidity. It's the arrogance on top of that which so revolts me.

i am not "pimping" anything. i try to act consistantly and within a certain set of principles. i make mistakes. i apologise for them when i do.

if you think that somehow equates to being "more moral", then that is sad.