Freedom of Speech? Libs say DISCUSSING leaving NATO an Impeahable offense

[Lesh]

But the discussion of the use of the 25th has been going on for almost a year and spans many more issues than this

Because Democrats are so consumed with TDS and overwhelming partisan hate that they have been desperately seeking to find OR MANUFACTURING any evidence, any reason, to affect their on-going coup.

No...because of reports coming out of the White House illustrating how unstable the Orange Buffoon is

 

[hadit]

You can't deal with the fact that they cost us a LOT of money so you call it "fear". Pathetic.

They don't cost us a lot of money. Quite the contrary, they are kind of economically necessary, because there are just some jobs Americans won't do, even in times of high unemployment.

So industries would collapse if you didn't have low-wage labor, and white folks aren't going to do those jobs.

That's bull. Americans won't do those jobs now because they can't get paid very much. Remove illegal aliens from the picture and wages would go up, Americans would do the jobs, prices would go up accordingly, and we would all adjust to high priced goods. The produce would get picked and the houses would get painted. They would just cost a good deal more.

 

[Lesh]

Remove illegal aliens from the picture and wages would go up,

While in the abstract that is true

A. Business would NEVER let that happen

B.There is simply no way (short of gas chambers) to get rid of 11 million people

We need to enforce hiring laws STRICTLY...Find a way to make current illegals ...legal...and raise minimum wages to level the playing field

But NO ONE is actually talking about doing any of those things because THEY WOULD WORK

 

[Darkwind]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

your own link disputes your thread...what a fraud. The Dems did not say talking about it was Impeachable offense. they said doing it would be.

you are the king of fake news.

Doing it is also not an impeachable offense.

For you clowns who think that people are just blindly following Trump in this, your memories must be horrible. The GOP and Conservatives have been talking about getting out of NATO for over a decade.

Wake the fuck up people. We no longer need to care for Europe. Let them care for themselves.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Doing it is also not an impeachable offense.

For you clowns who think that people are just blindly following Trump in this, your memories must be horrible. The GOP and Conservatives have been talking about getting out of NATO for over a decade.

Wake the fuck up people. We no longer need to care for Europe. Let them care for themselves.

I agree, but that does not change the fact the OP is fake news.

 

[hadit]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

your own link disputes your thread...what a fraud. The Dems did not say talking about it was Impeachable offense. they said doing it would be.

you are the king of fake news.

Doing it is also not an impeachable offense.

For you clowns who think that people are just blindly following Trump in this, your memories must be horrible. The GOP and Conservatives have been talking about getting out of NATO for over a decade.

Wake the fuck up people. We no longer need to care for Europe. Let them care for themselves.

Quite frankly, our carrying the financial burden of providing defense has allowed many European nations to slouch into socialism. Making them supply their own defense would put an end to many a cradle to grave scheme.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

your own link disputes your thread...what a fraud. The Dems did not say talking about it was Impeachable offense. they said doing it would be.

you are the king of fake news.

Doing it is also not an impeachable offense.

For you clowns who think that people are just blindly following Trump in this, your memories must be horrible. The GOP and Conservatives have been talking about getting out of NATO for over a decade.

Wake the fuck up people. We no longer need to care for Europe. Let them care for themselves.

Quite frankly, our carrying the financial burden of providing defense has allowed many European nations to slouch into socialism. Making them supply their own defense would put an end to many a cradle to grave scheme.

I have said 100 times or more on this forum we need to pull the troops out of Europe (all or at least half) and put them on the southern border. We do not have enough there to actually stop Russia so what is the point?

 

[SweetSue92]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

your own link disputes your thread...what a fraud. The Dems did not say talking about it was Impeachable offense. they said doing it would be.

you are the king of fake news.

Doing it is also not an impeachable offense.

For you clowns who think that people are just blindly following Trump in this, your memories must be horrible. The GOP and Conservatives have been talking about getting out of NATO for over a decade.

Wake the fuck up people. We no longer need to care for Europe. Let them care for themselves.

Quite frankly, our carrying the financial burden of providing defense has allowed many European nations to slouch into socialism. Making them supply their own defense would put an end to many a cradle to grave scheme.

They slouch into socialism on our dime while they mock, hate and deride us, too.

Enough. You're on your own, Europe. Let's see that ugly anti-Americanism when you're paying your own way. Bye

 

[Darkwind]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

your own link disputes your thread...what a fraud. The Dems did not say talking about it was Impeachable offense. they said doing it would be.

you are the king of fake news.

Doing it is also not an impeachable offense.

For you clowns who think that people are just blindly following Trump in this, your memories must be horrible. The GOP and Conservatives have been talking about getting out of NATO for over a decade.

Wake the fuck up people. We no longer need to care for Europe. Let them care for themselves.

Quite frankly, our carrying the financial burden of providing defense has allowed many European nations to slouch into socialism. Making them supply their own defense would put an end to many a cradle to grave scheme.

They slouch into socialism on our dime while they mock, hate and deride us, too.

Enough. You're on your own, Europe. Let's see that ugly anti-Americanism when you're paying your own way. Bye

Yep, if they are going to hate us, then they can do so for free.

 

[kyzr]

Look at what Trump sees for NATO military spending. Without the US military Budget, the EU countries are spending about $279b a year while Russia is spending about $70b. The US spends about $24b a year to keep US troops in Europe.
"Including personnel deployed on Operation Atlantic Resolve, with operations and maintenance expenses, annual costs for these US forces are estimated at US$20.3bn in 2017 and US$24.4bn in 2018. This covers the costs of operating US bases in Europe." The US and its NATO allies: costs and value

Member states of NATO - Wikipedia
(2017)US $billions Military Spending

United States $686b

NATO $965b

Below is Russia's Military Spending, $55b to $70b a year

Russia Military Expenditure | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

Should the US continue to borrow $24b a year to defend Europe, or should the EU countries pay for more of their own defense instead of taking the month of August off on vacation, and having their socialist mecca for migrants?
Trump also objected to the German deal with Putin for the Nord-Stream pipeline whereby Germany buys gas and gives Russia cash to fund their military, WTF?! Nord Stream - Wikipedia

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

No...

The asshole is not TALKING about leaving NATO...

The asshole has been considering an arbitrary and unilateral DEPARTURE from the alliance...

An alliance that has kept Russia at-bay and off Europe's throat, and which has kept the nuclear peace, since its inception...

Vladimir Putin is looking-on from Moscow and leering...

Benedict Arnold is looking up from Hell and cheering...

Snap out of it, people... wake-the-phukk up... before it's too late for the Republic.

Sounds like a Europe problem that Europe needs to pay for, rather than milk us dry.

.

We are Nova Europa.

They are Alta Europa.

They are the Mothership... the wellspring of our own civilization, culture, society and political life.

They bled themselves white, twice, stupidly, in the 20th, and ultimately had to let go of their empires...

For what was left of Europe, after the Russian barbarians forced themselves on the vanquished in the east...

We helped them to rebuild, and we held an American Shield over their heads for a couple of generations while they regained some strength...

Well... they're now capable of far more in the common defense than they've been providing in the past...

And it's right to call them on the carpet and to tell them that they've gotta do more...

But it's not right to jeopardize a long-standing, effective alliance, over a squabble about money...

There are other ways to leverage our influence without pissing off good friends and allies...

The Transatlantic Alliance is not a phukking real estate deal...

The Creature is clueless and ineffective in his dealings with NATO; nobody trusts him, nor his word, and he's regarded as a fool.

The United States of America deserves and requires and needs much better Presidential representation than it currently has.

"Uh, God?... can you hurry-along with 2020?... thanks."

Leaving the "alliance" is our leverage.

We helped them out for 2 generations. Way more than we should have. We helped them out. We didn't take them to raise. We ain't their papa.

We MUST leave if they do not meet their committments. We are in debt. We can't afford to bankroll their socialist bullshit.

 

[JoeB131]

A bit off-topic but articulated during the course of an on-topic pronouncement...

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We are spending too much on Special Needs children?

What would you suggest as an alternative to those expenditures?

How about making practical decisions.

Little Corky is never going to be anything more than he is.. but we'll spend six figures educating him to what, sweep floors?

Meanwhile, Little Juan might have the potential to learn how to be a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer if someone teaches him math and science....

Now, no one wants to go back to the bad old days when Special Needs kids were warehoused. But what we are doing now is much worse.

 

[Ambivalent1]

A bit off-topic but articulated during the course of an on-topic pronouncement...

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We are spending too much on Special Needs children?

What would you suggest as an alternative to those expenditures?

How about making practical decisions.

Little Corky is never going to be anything more than he is.. but we'll spend six figures educating him to what, sweep floors?

Meanwhile, Little Juan might have the potential to learn how to be a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer if someone teaches him math and science....

Now, no one wants to go back to the bad old days when Special Needs kids were warehoused. But what we are doing now is much worse.

I think you're still warehoused son.

 

[Moonglow]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

So one guy says it and you claim the entire DNC membership backs it...

 

[JoeB131]

You're right, up to age 18, but 16 years if you consider delayed start Kinder and "free" preschool. And in many states schools run on property taxes at least to some extent, which illegals pay only minimally. And do NOT doubt that many illegals ARE the "special needs" kids, because of learning deficiencies caused by all kinds of issues. Like language lags, for example.

I want to hear again what a good Christian you are because you hate gays and Mexicans, just like Jesus did.

You see, you can bring little Juan up to speed, and make him a productive citizen. Little Corky is going to be a burden on society his whole life.

I thought you argued for higher wages for Americans, yet illegal aliens depress wages. Can you pick a horse and stay on it?

Well, no, that's a myth.... SO you start out with a flawed premise.

SEIU - Service Employees International Union

Even Forbes Magazine says that's a myth.

Illegal Immigrants Don't Lower Our Wages Or Take Our Jobs

Why? The law of comparative advantage says we get more productive when we have more trading partners, and the arrival of undocumented workers with limited English skills frees up low-skill American workers who can then specialize in tasks that require better English. In July, I had the honor of sharing the stage with Ann Coulter, and fellow Forbes contributor Rick Ungar on Fox Business's Stossel show, and I got to explain how unskilled immigrants make us more productive at the end of the show.

 

[Ambivalent1]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

So one guy says it and you claim the entire DNC membership backs it...

We SHOULD leave NATO AND the UN.

 

[Moonglow]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

So one guy says it and you claim the entire DNC membership backs it...

We SHOULD leave NATO AND the UN.

Ok and?

 

[JoeB131]

You complain about the cost of border security but ignore the cost illegal aliens impose on society. One begins to think that maybe you're not really all that concerned about costs.

No, immigrants are a benefit to our society.

If you want to take a look at a society where Nativists "won', just look at Japan. They don't have enough replacement workers to support all their old people. They have to give away houses because no one is living in them.

 

[Ambivalent1]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

So one guy says it and you claim the entire DNC membership backs it...

We SHOULD leave NATO AND the UN.

Ok and?

And cut ALL funds to both.

 

[Moonglow]

once upon a time, seemingly a long time ago, before the rise of Socialism, violent intolerance from the Left, and TDS Americans had a Constitutional Right of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Those days are officially over, and Americans no longer have such a Right.

President Trump merely brought up the idea of leaving NATO up for DISCUSSION.

Democrats, completely infected with and devastated by TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and overwhelmed by all-consuming hate for the President, are not only declaring the mere act of TALKING about the merits / possibility of leaving NATO is 'an Impeachable offense' but are also declaring exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that should result in losing your job.


Dem Rep. Speier to Trump: Leaving NATO Would Be Ground For Impeachment, Use Of 25th Amendment


If Democrats can declare exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about potentially leaving NATO is a sign of mental instability that constitutes grounds for punishment - like Impeachment, what is to stop them from declaring in the future that your exercising your Constitutional Right of Free Speech by TALKING about anything that is opposed to their liberal ideology / agenda?!

So one guy says it and you claim the entire DNC membership backs it...

We SHOULD leave NATO AND the UN.

Ok and?

And cut ALL funds to both.

All it takes is an act from Congress..