"Free College Tuition" is NOT a pipe-dream

[Kondor3]

...After all, a plumber who may have read a bit of Plato may turn out to be a better" plumber because he/she can engage customers in a more well-rounded manner.

You have MY vote for "Worst Stretch for a Juicy Rationalization of 2015"

 

[nat4900]

Well, since by "free" you mean that "someone else pays for it" ... no, no one with an ounce of common sense would agree with your retarded logic.

....and your caliber of brain function probably also thought that a FREEway was really "free" didn't you?

 

[Kondor3]

...You know, a little research on YOUR part wouldn't hurt too much your current ignorance...

Just seeing if you could conjure-up more...

Meanwhile...

What percentage of Americans enroll in college?

What percentage of students in these other countries enroll in college?

What are the admission criteria?

Do they admit a much smaller percentage, as a rule, thereby keeping the cost down to a sustainable level?

And, for that matter, how long have some of these countries been at it, and can they sustain that accommodation far into the future, or are they going broke doing it?

Besides the ever-popular stuff like taxation rates, GDP, defense expenditures, global commitments, etc.

Apples and oranges, by the look of it, at first glance... apples and oranges.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

The problem is that there isn't enough free shit in this world.

 

[jwoodie]

In-state tuition at public colleges is much less than private universities. If cost is an issue, students can attended a two year college practically for free, save money and transfer to a four year college to get their degree with little or no borrowing. I did, and paid for graduate study by WORKING. Why is that too much to ask?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Well, since by "free" you mean that "someone else pays for it" ... no, no one with an ounce of common sense would agree with your retarded logic.

....and your caliber of brain function probably also thought that a FREEway was really "free" didn't you?

No, I knew it would cost everyone else. YOU apparently think that equates to free!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Before we engage in casual badinage, perhaps you should FIRST explain how such tuition would be "free".

I think that throughout my O/P I have pointed out that "free" means subsidized by taxes.....

..........many European countries like Germany already offer free college, though "free" is a relative term since tax payers absorb that cost.

But those European countries often differ greatly from the US in substantive ways. Their college enrollment percentages, for example, are much lower than in America.

Europe also traditionally has higher taxes than the US, which allows those countries to offer additional social services.

How do European countries afford free college - Business Insider

We already pay the taxes. We just don't get much of anything for what we pay.

Other countries invest in their own people and their own future but the US can't do that. We have more stupid and senseless wars to wage so we need to spend that money on more tanks we'll never use and planes that don't fly.

Let Americans go to other countries for their education. They'll likely stay in those countries for the higher standard of living and the Repubs will vote for presidents who either bring talent in from other countries or send our jobs there.

Problem solved.

 

[Zoom-boing]

In-state tuition at public colleges is much less than private universities. If cost is an issue, students can attended a two year college practically for free, save money and transfer to a four year college to get their degree with little or no borrowing. I did, and paid for graduate study by WORKING. Why is that too much to ask?

Not necessarily. My oldest went to private college and between the grants from the school, work/study program, some scholarship money (we asked for more scholarship money from the school and got it) the cost was comparable to public. The cost of living away at school is very expensive, they get you there. Plus they give you money but then turn around and raise tuition every year (all the while saying 'but we didn't raise it xxx percent, just xx percent, isn't that great!).

Youngest is doing two years at community college then she can go elsewhere.

 

[Uncensored2008]

As expected, some right wingers on this forum are ridiculing Sanders' call for free college tuition......Of course, the low intelligence of some right wingers is legendary and, as usual, they mistake the term "free" as just another socialistic "give-away."

First, right wingers should realize that throughout the civilized world, college tuition IS free (except for books and lodging expenses.) Haw can the rest of the world do this? Simple, first one has to determine if free tuition is an investment in the most precious resource a country has....and that is a better economic future through educating its youth.

Second, YES tuition would be paid through an increase in state taxation; after all, most universities are sitting on land grants and universities' charter clearly spell out that they exist for the be betterment of the community, along with the need for both teaching and research.

Third, (and this is something that conservatives SHOULD like if they exercised their brain cells a bit more); that is, tenure for professors may be soon a thing of the past.....part-time/adjunct faculty is on the rise, and THAT should drastically cut down on the very expensive staffing of colleges and universities. The cost of a tenured professor's teaching of 2 or 3 classes could translate to the hiring of 5 part-timers to teach about 15 or so classes.

Fourth, tuition could also be drastically reduced if universities get off their insane quest for college sports. Coaches in such institutions make an average of 3 times the salary of the institution's president or provost. This insanity causes tuitions to be raised for ALL other students to basically subsidize jocks and the athletic staff.

Finally, free tuition should be granted FIRST to students who major in fields that can readily benefit all of the taxed society....Need more doctors? Offer free tuition at medical schools; Need more information technology graduates? the same applies; Need more engineers? Same........

Free tuition must have the caveats of a student's high grades, discipline at matriculation, completion and commitment to pay back to the society that subsidized (and invested in) such free tuition.

That bachelors you spent $80,000 earning? Wad it up and throw it down the shitter, because it will be worth no more than the worthless HS Diploma you have, once the leftists devalue it through making it free.

 

[Liminal]

As expected, some right wingers on this forum are ridiculing Sanders' call for free college tuition......Of course, the low intelligence of some right wingers is legendary and, as usual, they mistake the term "free" as just another socialistic "give-away."

First, right wingers should realize that throughout the civilized world, college tuition IS free (except for books and lodging expenses.) Haw can the rest of the world do this? Simple, first one has to determine if free tuition is an investment in the most precious resource a country has....and that is a better economic future through educating its youth.

Second, YES tuition would be paid through an increase in state taxation; after all, most universities are sitting on land grants and universities' charter clearly spell out that they exist for the be betterment of the community, along with the need for both teaching and research.

Third, (and this is something that conservatives SHOULD like if they exercised their brain cells a bit more); that is, tenure for professors may be soon a thing of the past.....part-time/adjunct faculty is on the rise, and THAT should drastically cut down on the very expensive staffing of colleges and universities. The cost of a tenured professor's teaching of 2 or 3 classes could translate to the hiring of 5 part-timers to teach about 15 or so classes.

Fourth, tuition could also be drastically reduced if universities get off their insane quest for college sports. Coaches in such institutions make an average of 3 times the salary of the institution's president or provost. This insanity causes tuitions to be raised for ALL other students to basically subsidize jocks and the athletic staff.

Finally, free tuition should be granted FIRST to students who major in fields that can readily benefit all of the taxed society....Need more doctors? Offer free tuition at medical schools; Need more information technology graduates? the same applies; Need more engineers? Same........

Free tuition must have the caveats of a student's high grades, discipline at matriculation, completion and commitment to pay back to the society that subsidized (and invested in) such free tuition.

That bachelors you spent $80,000 earning? Wad it up and throw it down the shitter, because it will be worth no more than the worthless HS Diploma you have, once the leftists devalue it through making it free.

God damn you are fucking stupid. It isn't the cost of the degree that makes it valuable, you stupid fucking asshole.

 

[hortysir]

YES tuition would be paid through an increase in state taxation







=/= "free"

 

[Uncensored2008]

God damn you are fucking stupid. It isn't the cost of the degree that makes it valuable, you stupid fucking asshole.

Calm down and take the stick out of your ass. College is not for everyone - and shouldn't be for everyone. If you stupid fucks get your way and make it "free" by making others pay, then you'll also have to lower standards to ensure that all the new students can succeed.

What you retards are doing, is trying to make a bachelors no more meaningful than a HS Diploma. Before leftists got hold of education, a High School Diploma actually meant something, it was a mark of basic education. No more, with social promotions and cultural sensitivity, we beez gradamukatin muthafuckas what dant cun beez puttens on no sentanz.

If they don't graduate, well that is racist whites keeping the poor underprivileged waifs down. That is what you've done to high school, now you have your sites on colleges and universities.

It is the cost of college that keeps the completely unqualified out, at this point.

 

[Liminal]

God damn you are fucking stupid. It isn't the cost of the degree that makes it valuable, you stupid fucking asshole.

Calm down and take the stick out of your ass. College is not for everyone - and shouldn't be for everyone. If you stupid fucks get your way and make it "free" by making others pay, then you'll also have to lower standards to ensure that all the new students can succeed.

What you retards are doing, is trying to make a bachelors no more meaningful than a HS Diploma. Before leftists got hold of education, a High School Diploma actually meant something, it was a mark of basic education. No more, with social promotions and cultural sensitivity, we beez gradamukatin muthafuckas what dant cun beez puttens on no sentanz.

If they don't graduate, well that is racist whites keeping the poor underprivileged waifs down. That is what you've done to high school, now you have your sites on colleges and universities.

It is the cost of college that keeps the completely unqualified out, at this point.

Cost keeps out unqualified people? You're even dumber than I thought.

 

[jwoodie]

YES tuition would be paid through an increase in state taxation







=/= "free"

YES why don't we have an optional "free tuition tax" so left wingers can put THEIR money where their mouths are?

 

[Liminal]

YES tuition would be paid through an increase in state taxation







=/= "free"

YES why don't we have an optional "free tuition tax" so left wingers can put THEIR money where their mouths are?

Let's bring back the draft so right wingers can put their asses where their mouths are.

 

[gallantwarrior]

God damn you are fucking stupid. It isn't the cost of the degree that makes it valuable, you stupid fucking asshole.

Calm down and take the stick out of your ass. College is not for everyone - and shouldn't be for everyone. If you stupid fucks get your way and make it "free" by making others pay, then you'll also have to lower standards to ensure that all the new students can succeed.

What you retards are doing, is trying to make a bachelors no more meaningful than a HS Diploma. Before leftists got hold of education, a High School Diploma actually meant something, it was a mark of basic education. No more, with social promotions and cultural sensitivity, we beez gradamukatin muthafuckas what dant cun beez puttens on no sentanz.

If they don't graduate, well that is racist whites keeping the poor underprivileged waifs down. That is what you've done to high school, now you have your sites on colleges and universities.

It is the cost of college that keeps the completely unqualified out, at this point.

Cost keeps out unqualified people? You're even dumber than I thought.

Isn't that what we are constantly told? Po' folk need not apply, those living in po' neighborhoods need not apply"? Really, make up our minds so we clearly recognize what we are being forced to pay for.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Cost keeps out unqualified people? You're even dumber than I thought.

Let's say that Harvard admits you and charges you no tuition, sending the bill to Hortysir instead, as you are proposing.

Now the first time you walk into a statistical probability class, you're done. So what to do? Well, they solved that in secondary education by "dumbing it down."

So Harvard dumbs it down to the point that a drooling retard like you can graduate - so what is the value of a degree once it's all down to the level that people like you can get a degree?

As I said, those who struggled and earned bachelors or better, wad em' up and toss em' out - the leftists are devaluing education again.

 

[bripat9643]

As expected, some right wingers on this forum are ridiculing Sanders' call for free college tuition...

... where he tries to buy votes from young people and pay for it raising taxes "on the rich" and/or running up the debt?
Gee, who could oppose that?
:doh:

Yeah, because the taxpayers don't owe enough already. What we need is more debt to produce more unemployed college graduates.

 

[bripat9643]

Cost keeps out unqualified people? You're even dumber than I thought.

Let's say that Harvard admits you and charges you no tuition, sending the bill to Hortysir instead, as you are proposing.

Now the first time you walk into a statistical probability class, you're done. So what to do? Well, they solved that in secondary education by "dumbing it down."

So Harvard dumbs it down to the point that a drooling retard like you can graduate - so what is the value of a degree once it's all down to the level that people like you can get a degree?

As I said, those who struggled and earned bachelors or better, wad em' up and toss em' out - the leftists are devaluing education again.

They've already done that in college.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Isn't that what we are constantly told? Po' folk need not apply, those living in po' neighborhoods need not apply"? Really, make up our minds so we clearly recognize what we are being forced to pay for.

Po' folk with brains get scholarships and grants.

Liminal might as well just print a degree off of an inkjet - once he and his idiot buddies finish, that's all they will be worth.