21st century: Australia decides whether to give rights to Aboriginals

[ThirdTerm]

The amendments to the Constitution of Australia will allow the Aboriginal peoples to establish their own advisory committee in the Parliament with a special right to vote. This committee would advise parliamentarians on indigenous issues.
But it is reported that the committee's recommendations will not be binding.

The issue is only about establishing
a parliamentary committee for Aboriginal Australians with a special right to vote. It does not require a national referendum. Reading news headlines, I wrongly assumed that Aboriginal Australians still cannot vote in Australia. But they were enfranchised in the 1960s, influenced by the civil rights movement in the United States.

In the 1960s, influenced by the strong civil rights movements in the United States and South Africa, many changes in Aboriginal peoples' rights and treatment followed, including removal of restrictions on voting rights. In 1962, the Menzies government amended the Commonwealth Electoral Act to give Indigenous people the right to enrol and vote in Commonwealth elections irrespective of their voting rights at the state level. If they were enrolled, it was compulsory for them to vote as per non-Indigenous citizens. However, enrolment itself was not compulsory. Western Australia gave Indigenous citizens the vote in the State in the same year, and Queensland followed in 1965.

 

[theHawk]

Poor lefties. Not surprised that globohomo fake Jews are behind it.

 

[gtopa1]

Whoever they were they pissed their shareholders' dollars up against the wall!!!!

MSN

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Poor lefties. Not surprised that globohomo fake Jews are behind it.

I doubt any Jewish connection whatsoever except that some business leaders are woke dills spending shareholder $. !!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Australia has always lagged behind on granting equality to all their people. It's a huge contrast to New Zealand's progressive acceptance and honouring of their Maoris.

Look at this comparison to see how attitudes have made such a difference between the two and how it paid dividends for New Zealand.

Garbage!! Looks like your election night put NZ back on the right path though.

As for "honouring" the Maori: (NO s you clot!!)

"Between 1845 and 1872 just over 2,500 Australian volunteers saw service in New Zealand. Though Australian born, troops all served in British regiments. The majority of these volunteers came from the colonies of New South Wales, Victoria and Tasmania.

The cause of all conflict between whites and the Maori people was land. The first conflict occurred in 1845 when Maori Chief Hone Heke attacked the settlement of Russell in the Bay of Islands on the North Island. British forces where sent from Auckland to defeat and capture Heke but the Maori chief and his warriors where skilled in the art of war and it took a local militia, troops rushed in from Australia and the diplomacy of the South Australian governor George Grey to force Hone Heke to sue for peace. This was considered the first Maori War.

By 1860 the grab for land again sparked conflict between whites and the Maoris, this time in the Waitara River area. The British with their 1000 troops soon found themselves facing some 20,000 skilled Maori warriors. Again the Australian colonies was asked for urgent assistance. The colonies rallied and sent troops. The colony of Victoria even sent its entire navy, which comprised the steam corvette HMVS Victoria. New South Wales also sent gun ships to support the troops. At the end of 1862 Governor George Grey again used his diplomatic skills to bring an end to the conflict.

Only a year later war broke out again, this time in the Waikato area. Again Australian troops came to the aid of local British forces.

Soon after the Waikato war the New Zealand Government decided to form a more permanent force and actively recruited troops from among the Australian colonies. They were offered land in exchange for service in the armed forces. Some 3600 Australians took up the offer. They were formed into the Waikato regiments."

LibGuides: Military Resources: New Zealand (Maori Wars)

This State Library of South Australia guide to military related information includes medals, militia and Australian involvement in conflicts. The emphasis is on South Australian resources.

guides.slsa.sa.gov.au

You sound like an Aucklander!!! NOT one of the smart ones either.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

The issue is only about establishing
a parliamentary committee for Aboriginal Australians with a special right to vote. It does not require a national referendum. Reading news headlines, I wrongly assumed that Aboriginal Australians still cannot vote in Australia. But they were enfranchised in the 1960s, influenced by the civil rights movement in the United States.

They've actually ALWAYS been enfranchised but there were some anomalies in the Laws for some colonies.

"First federal electoral Act​

In the 1850s under the constitutions of Victoria, New South Wales and South Australia, Aboriginal men had the same right to vote as other male British subjects aged over 21. However it wasn’t until 1896 that Tasmania granted Aboriginal men franchise.

In 1895 South Australia became the first electorate in the world to give equal political rights to both women and men. Aboriginal women shared these rights.

However, laws specifically intended to deny the vote to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people were enacted by Queensland (1885), Western Australia (1893) and the Northern Territory (1922).

The first federal electoral Act, the Commonwealth Franchise Act 1902, granted men and women of all states the right to vote. Indigenous people were excluded from this right unless they already had the right to vote before 1901."
The matters in the colonies that didn't allow Blacks to vote was because the white populations were so small and the Aboriginal people COULD NOT READ OR WRITE at the time.

Indigenous Australians’ right to vote

1962: Indigenous Australians granted the right to vote

www.nma.gov.au

But I am GLAD that, after decades of sound work by Missionaries, Education of Aborigines was well advanced on colonial times. Yesterday's vote had NOTHING to do with the real problems facing Aboriginal people; it was about an Activist class and their power grab!!!

Greg

 

[Ringo]

Aboriginal men had the same right to vote as other male British subjects aged over 21. However it wasn’t until 1896 that Tasmania granted Aboriginal men franchise.

How democratic and freedom loving!

"The colonization of Australia and Tasmania was a prime example of the Anglo-Saxon race gaining vital space by exterminating the Aborigines.
In 1803, a small party of settlers was sent to the island of Tasmania from Sydney under the command of John Bowen to prevent French claims to the island. They were tasked with the development of agriculture and industry.
The natives met the colonists without hostility, but soon changed their attitude toward whites. For their own prosperity, the British settlers took land from the natives, who were killed, raped, and enslaved. Attempts by the natives in the early 1820s to resist, called the Black War, were brutally suppressed by the colonial army:

Final extermination on a large scale could only be accomplished with the aid of justice and the armed forces...Soldiers of the Fortieth Regiment drove the natives between two blocks of rock, shot all the men, and then dragged the women and children out of the rock crevices to blow their brains out.
Tasmanians with spears in their hands were completely defenseless against Europeans armed with firearms, so very soon the "black war" turned into a real hunt of the British for the natives, which took place with the authorization of the British authorities.

In the testimonies of those events there are descriptions of this cruel and bloody entertainment of the British: having invited neighbors with their families for a picnic and having a meal, gentlemen took guns, dogs, 2-3 servants from the exiles and went into the forest to look for blacks. The hunt was considered successful if they managed to shoot a woman or 1-2 men.

The American biogeographer Jared Diamond gives other facts of the bloody fun of the gallant and noble English:
One herdsman shot nineteen Tasmanians with a falconet loaded with nails. Four others ambushed the natives, killed thirty and threw their bodies down the mountain now called Victoria Hill.
The colonizers viewed the extermination of the natives as a sport and were proud of their "achievements." One soldier recounted a "feat" to the traveler Hull:

Many blacks with women and children gathered in a ravine near the town ... the men sat around a large fire, while the women were busy preparing food for supper. The natives were taken by surprise by a detachment of soldiers who opened fire on them without warning and then rushed to finish off the wounded. One soldier bayoneted a baby crawling near its dead mother and threw it into the fire.
In 1828, the governor of Tasmania forbade natives from entering the part of the island where Europeans lived. Any Aboriginal who violated this prohibition was allowed to be killed on the spot.

In addition, Europeans were engaged in "capturing blacks" and selling them into slavery. Felix Maynard, a doctor on a French whaling ship, described the roundups of the natives as follows:

'So the manhunt began, and as time went on it became more and more brutal. In 1830, Tasmania was placed under martial law, a chain of armed men were lined up all over the island to try to trap the Aborigines. The natives managed to get through the cordon, but the will to live left the hearts of the savages, fear was stronger than despair ...
French geographer and historian Elise Reclue wrote:

On December 28, the last natives, pursued like wild beasts, were driven to the extremity of one lofty promontory, and the event was celebrated with triumph. The fortunate hunter Robinson was rewarded by the government with an estate of 400 acres and a considerable sum of money.
As a result, by 1833 there were about three hundred Aborigines left on the entire island out of the five to six thousand who had previously lived there before the British conquered Tasmania. Almost all of them were moved to Flinders Island, where within 10 years three-quarters of them died.
In 1876, the last representative of the indigenous people of Tasmania, Truganini, died, and the island, in the words of British official documents, became completely "cleansed" of natives, except for a tiny number of Europeanized mestizos of Anglo-Tasmanian origin.
The outcome of the Tasmanian genocide was cynically summarized by the British historian and journalist Hammond John Lawrence Le Breton: "The Tasmanians were useless and all died".

In Australia, the amusements of English gentlemen were not much different from those of their neighbors on the island of Tasmania. The Australian government, modeled on the Tasmanian government's punitive units, created a mounted police unit, the so-called "policemen for the savages".

This unit carried out the order to "find and destroy": the aborigines were either killed or driven from their settled territories. Most often the policemen surrounded the Aboriginal camp at night, and at dawn attacked and shot all of them.

The last documented massacre of a peaceful tribe was committed by a detachment of policemen in 1928 in the Northwest: the inhabitants were seized, shackled, lined up head-to-head, and then all but three women were killed. The policemen then burned the corpses and took the women with them to the camp. When they left the camp, they also killed and burned the women.

White settlers also made extensive use of poisoned food to kill the natives. One colonizer in 1885 boasted:

"To appease the n*****s, they were given something terrific. The food they were given consisted half of strychnine, and no one escaped their fate... The owner of Long Lagoon killed over a hundred blacks by this stratagem.
The trade in native women flourished among Anglo-Australian farmers, and English settlers hunted them in groups. One government report from 1900 notes that "these women were passed from farmer to farmer until eventually they were discarded as garbage, left to rot from venereal disease."
In the late nineteenth century, Anglo-Saxon racists also amused themselves by driving whole families of Aborigines into the water to the crocodiles.

The colonists received no direct orders from London to exterminate the Aborigines, but it cannot be said that none of the British thinkers "blessed" them. Benjamin Kidd, for example, argued categorically that "slavery is the most natural and one of the most reasonable institutions."

The Commonwealth Constitution of Australia, already in force in the post-war years, mandated (Article 127) that "no account shall be taken of Aborigines" when counting the population of individual states. This constitutionally rejected their membership of the human race.

As early as 1865, Europeans, when confronted with the natives, were not sure whether they were dealing with "intelligent apes or very underdeveloped people".

In 1901, Queensland Labor politician Vincent Lesina declared in the Australian Parliament, "The n****s must disappear from the white man's path of development" - so "the law of evolution says."

The English colonists openly committed atrocities against the Aborigines of Australia and Tasmania, not only because of land or even racial hatred, but just for fun, showing their cruelty, moral abomination, greed and inner meanness.
**************
Not surprisingly, Hitler had great respect for England and felt that England's colonial experience should be studied and utilized by the Germans.

 

[gtopa1]

How democratic and freedom loving!

"The colonization of Australia and Tasmania was a prime example of the Anglo-Saxon race gaining vital space by exterminating the Aborigines.
In 1803, a small party of settlers was sent to the island of Tasmania from Sydney under the command of John Bowen to prevent French claims to the island. They were tasked with the development of agriculture and industry.
The natives met the colonists without hostility, but soon changed their attitude toward whites. For their own prosperity, the British settlers took land from the natives, who were killed, raped, and enslaved. Attempts by the natives in the early 1820s to resist, called the Black War, were brutally suppressed by the colonial army:

Final extermination on a large scale could only be accomplished with the aid of justice and the armed forces...Soldiers of the Fortieth Regiment drove the natives between two blocks of rock, shot all the men, and then dragged the women and children out of the rock crevices to blow their brains out.
Tasmanians with spears in their hands were completely defenseless against Europeans armed with firearms, so very soon the "black war" turned into a real hunt of the British for the natives, which took place with the authorization of the British authorities.

In the testimonies of those events there are descriptions of this cruel and bloody entertainment of the British: having invited neighbors with their families for a picnic and having a meal, gentlemen took guns, dogs, 2-3 servants from the exiles and went into the forest to look for blacks. The hunt was considered successful if they managed to shoot a woman or 1-2 men.

The American biogeographer Jared Diamond gives other facts of the bloody fun of the gallant and noble English:
One herdsman shot nineteen Tasmanians with a falconet loaded with nails. Four others ambushed the natives, killed thirty and threw their bodies down the mountain now called Victoria Hill.
The colonizers viewed the extermination of the natives as a sport and were proud of their "achievements." One soldier recounted a "feat" to the traveler Hull:

Many blacks with women and children gathered in a ravine near the town ... the men sat around a large fire, while the women were busy preparing food for supper. The natives were taken by surprise by a detachment of soldiers who opened fire on them without warning and then rushed to finish off the wounded. One soldier bayoneted a baby crawling near its dead mother and threw it into the fire.
In 1828, the governor of Tasmania forbade natives from entering the part of the island where Europeans lived. Any Aboriginal who violated this prohibition was allowed to be killed on the spot.

In addition, Europeans were engaged in "capturing blacks" and selling them into slavery. Felix Maynard, a doctor on a French whaling ship, described the roundups of the natives as follows:

'So the manhunt began, and as time went on it became more and more brutal. In 1830, Tasmania was placed under martial law, a chain of armed men were lined up all over the island to try to trap the Aborigines. The natives managed to get through the cordon, but the will to live left the hearts of the savages, fear was stronger than despair ...
French geographer and historian Elise Reclue wrote:

On December 28, the last natives, pursued like wild beasts, were driven to the extremity of one lofty promontory, and the event was celebrated with triumph. The fortunate hunter Robinson was rewarded by the government with an estate of 400 acres and a considerable sum of money.
As a result, by 1833 there were about three hundred Aborigines left on the entire island out of the five to six thousand who had previously lived there before the British conquered Tasmania. Almost all of them were moved to Flinders Island, where within 10 years three-quarters of them died.
In 1876, the last representative of the indigenous people of Tasmania, Truganini, died, and the island, in the words of British official documents, became completely "cleansed" of natives, except for a tiny number of Europeanized mestizos of Anglo-Tasmanian origin.
The outcome of the Tasmanian genocide was cynically summarized by the British historian and journalist Hammond John Lawrence Le Breton: "The Tasmanians were useless and all died".

In Australia, the amusements of English gentlemen were not much different from those of their neighbors on the island of Tasmania. The Australian government, modeled on the Tasmanian government's punitive units, created a mounted police unit, the so-called "policemen for the savages".

This unit carried out the order to "find and destroy": the aborigines were either killed or driven from their settled territories. Most often the policemen surrounded the Aboriginal camp at night, and at dawn attacked and shot all of them.

The last documented massacre of a peaceful tribe was committed by a detachment of policemen in 1928 in the Northwest: the inhabitants were seized, shackled, lined up head-to-head, and then all but three women were killed. The policemen then burned the corpses and took the women with them to the camp. When they left the camp, they also killed and burned the women.

White settlers also made extensive use of poisoned food to kill the natives. One colonizer in 1885 boasted:

"To appease the n*****s, they were given something terrific. The food they were given consisted half of strychnine, and no one escaped their fate... The owner of Long Lagoon killed over a hundred blacks by this stratagem.
The trade in native women flourished among Anglo-Australian farmers, and English settlers hunted them in groups. One government report from 1900 notes that "these women were passed from farmer to farmer until eventually they were discarded as garbage, left to rot from venereal disease."
In the late nineteenth century, Anglo-Saxon racists also amused themselves by driving whole families of Aborigines into the water to the crocodiles.

The colonists received no direct orders from London to exterminate the Aborigines, but it cannot be said that none of the British thinkers "blessed" them. Benjamin Kidd, for example, argued categorically that "slavery is the most natural and one of the most reasonable institutions."

The Commonwealth Constitution of Australia, already in force in the post-war years, mandated (Article 127) that "no account shall be taken of Aborigines" when counting the population of individual states. This constitutionally rejected their membership of the human race.

As early as 1865, Europeans, when confronted with the natives, were not sure whether they were dealing with "intelligent apes or very underdeveloped people".

In 1901, Queensland Labor politician Vincent Lesina declared in the Australian Parliament, "The n****s must disappear from the white man's path of development" - so "the law of evolution says."

The English colonists openly committed atrocities against the Aborigines of Australia and Tasmania, not only because of land or even racial hatred, but just for fun, showing their cruelty, moral abomination, greed and inner meanness.
**************
Not surprisingly, Hitler had great respect for England and felt that England's colonial experience should be studied and utilized by the Germans.

Greg

 

[Deadstick]

Yet another Country that can't move forward from their racist Colonial past, what's the matter with people?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yet another Country that can't move forward from their racist Colonial past, what's the matter with people?

The big cities all voted for it. The no vote came from backward country areas where people havent evolved. A bit like brexit and trump.

What can you expect from people descended from ctiminals ?

 

[Deadstick]

The big cities all voted for it. The no vote came from backward country areas where people havent evolved. A bit like brexit and trump.

What can you expect from people descended from ctiminals ?

That explains a lot, many of those outback morons sound like the Aussie version of the US inbred red neck racists.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

That explains a lot, many of those outback morons sound like the Aussie version of the US inbred red neck racists.
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Everywhere that hosts a test match was a yes. Places where they shoot kangeroos not so much.

 

[Deadstick]

Everywhere that hosts a test match was a yes. Places where they shoot kangeroos not so much.

 

[bambu.]

The big cities all voted for it. The no vote came from backward country areas where people havent evolved. A bit like brexit and trump.

What can you expect from people descended from ctiminals ?

Backward country areas?
LOL

Can you fix a gearbox on a tractor?
Can you change a tyre on a tractor?
Can you do the same, and fix electricals on large farm equipment?
Can you plant and grow hundreds/thousands of acres of crops?
Can you successfully raise sheep and cattle to top shelf standard?
Can you grow your own food?
Raise your own poultry?

Rural Australia is made up of mostly farmers, their extended families, and businesses that rely on them for a living.
Rural towns with large indigenous populations mostly voted NO. Many Indigenous people voted NO.
Obviously country folk in Australia are not stoopid. They can pick a 'snake oil salesman' a mile away.

Ah yes, 'descended from criminals'.

Like in the iconic Irish song "Fields of Athenry" [pron 'At n rye'] ...available to view free on Youtube.

By a lonely prison wall
I heard a young girl calling
"Michael, they have taken you away
For you stole Trevelyan's corn
So the young might see the morn
Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay"

etc

By a lonely harbour wall
She watched the last star falling
As that prison ship sailed out against the sky
For she lived in hope and pray
For her love in Botany Bay
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Botany Bay...the bay south of Sydney Harbour.

 

[bambu.]

Yet another Country that can't move forward from their racist Colonial past, what's the matter with people?

LOL

You need to go to Youtube and watch the song "I Am Australian". [which many Americans are just discovering].
The lyrics are in Google.

Song by The Seekers.
It would be the national anthem except that it's too long.

It starts;

I came from the dream-time
From the dusty red-soil plains
I am the ancient heart
The keeper of the flame
I stood upon the rocky shores
I watched the tall ships come
For forty thousand years I've been
The first Australian.

I came upon the prison ship
Bowed down by iron chains
I fought the land, endured the lash
And waited for the rains
I'm a settler, I'm a farmer's wife
On a dry and barren run
A convict, then a free man
I became Australian

etc

We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice
"I am, you are, we are Australian"

xxxxxxxxx

More verses ....

_____________

One. Equality. Everyone equal. With equal rights,
The NO People objected to race being enshrined in the Constitution...basically changing 'one' to something else.

 

[Deadstick]

LOL

You need to go to Youtube and watch the song "I Am Australian". [which many Americans are just discovering].
The lyrics are in Google.

Song by The Seekers.
It would be the national anthem except that it's too long.

It starts;

I came from the dream-time
From the dusty red-soil plains
I am the ancient heart
The keeper of the flame
I stood upon the rocky shores
I watched the tall ships come
For forty thousand years I've been
The first Australian.

I came upon the prison ship
Bowed down by iron chains
I fought the land, endured the lash
And waited for the rains
I'm a settler, I'm a farmer's wife
On a dry and barren run
A convict, then a free man
I became Australian

etc

We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice
"I am, you are, we are Australian"

xxxxxxxxx

More verses ....

_____________

One. Equality. Everyone equal. With equal rights,
The NO People objected to race being enshrined in the Constitution...basically changing 'one' to something else.

That's a great song and words, i am fully aware of the convict ships, some were not even convicts they were people like trade Unionists, but why wouldn't people want to recognise Aboriginal rights in the constitution unless they were racist?

 

[bambu.]

That's a great song and words, i am fully aware of the convict ships, some were not even convicts they were people like trade Unionists, but why wouldn't people want to recognise Aboriginal rights in the constitution unless they were racist?

"The Voice" referendum was not about Aboriginal rights, there was a referendum decades ago about that.
90% voted Yes then to make Indigenous people...equal...same rights as everyone else.

The Voice referendum was the work of activists, who wanted a special and separate group of 21 or so set up "to advise the federal govt/parliament on Indigenous issues and needs"...enshrined in the Constitution.
...so it could never be disbanded...like the last similar one was...ATSIC.
Google details why ATSIC was disbanded.

The Voice,
a separate body advising/lobbying the govt.
"NO thank you" voted the NO voters.
There are already advisory groups.
NIAA as one example, billions of funding.
*
Nothing to do with racism, many Indigenous leaders were advocating "vote NO".

Not about racism at all, it was about other things.
"Voice, Treaty, Truth" exactly.
PM Albo was even pictured with that on his T shirt.

Govt would not give any exact details of how the Voice would work.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Backward country areas?
LOL

Can you fix a gearbox on a tractor?
Can you change a tyre on a tractor?
Can you do the same, and fix electricals on large farm equipment?
Can you plant and grow hundreds/thousands of acres of crops?
Can you successfully raise sheep and cattle to top shelf standard?
Can you grow your own food?
Raise your own poultry?

Rural Australia is made up of mostly farmers, their extended families, and businesses that rely on them for a living.
Rural towns with large indigenous populations mostly voted NO. Many Indigenous people voted NO.
Obviously country folk in Australia are not stoopid. They can pick a 'snake oil salesman' a mile away.

Ah yes, 'descended from criminals'.

Like in the iconic Irish song "Fields of Athenry" [pron 'At n rye'] ...available to view free on Youtube.

By a lonely prison wall
I heard a young girl calling
"Michael, they have taken you away
For you stole Trevelyan's corn
So the young might see the morn
Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay"

etc

By a lonely harbour wall
She watched the last star falling
As that prison ship sailed out against the sky
For she lived in hope and pray
For her love in Botany Bay
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Botany Bay...the bay south of Sydney Harbour.

Farming on stolen land. Racist bigot spawn of murdering trash.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

LOL

You need to go to Youtube and watch the song "I Am Australian". [which many Americans are just discovering].
The lyrics are in Google.

Song by The Seekers.
It would be the national anthem except that it's too long.

It starts;

I came from the dream-time
From the dusty red-soil plains
I am the ancient heart
The keeper of the flame
I stood upon the rocky shores
I watched the tall ships come
For forty thousand years I've been
The first Australian.

I came upon the prison ship
Bowed down by iron chains
I fought the land, endured the lash
And waited for the rains
I'm a settler, I'm a farmer's wife
On a dry and barren run
A convict, then a free man
I became Australian

etc

We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We'll share a dream and sing with one voice
"I am, you are, we are Australian"

xxxxxxxxx

More verses ....

_____________

One. Equality. Everyone equal. With equal rights,
The NO People objected to race being enshrined in the Constitution...basically changing 'one' to something else.

What a load of shite. Where is the verse about killing all the natives and stealing their land ?

 

[bambu.]

What a load of shite. Where is the verse about killing all the natives and stealing their land ?

Half of the natives died early on after the First Fleet arrived from Britain in 1788....that's 17 8 8...from 'White man's diseases.'

This song by the Seekers tries to promote "We are One" , for today's world.