"Free College Tuition" is NOT a pipe-dream

[nat4900]

Why is it that for right wingers the term "taxation" is an anathema???

I mean, you folks pay through the nose on a whole bunch of things you care little for and bitch and moan about. Here is an INVESTMENT that each citizen can make to our country.....and you reject it as if it was tantamount to curbing the sale of an assault weapon.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Didn't expect ANY right winger to agree with my post....Heck, most of them have never set foot on a college campus anyway. LOL

F-you! I consider myself pretty conservative and I TEACH at a university. My students and fellow professors are always nagging me to take a full-time professorship.

 

[Kondor3]

Define "civilized world".

Anywhere outside of your trailer park???

Ahhhhh...

Well, it's a BIG trailer, anyway (2K sqft)...

And, now that all that juvenile shit is out of the way...

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Define the "civilized world" - name all the major countries in which college tuition is free, please.

So that we may assess their taxation, budget, defense commitments, global interests, etc...

Name those countries please...

If you can.

 

[nat4900]

Be aware that countries that provide "free" tuition also provide comprehensive vocational training for those who do not qualify for or choose university training. So, until this country (US) recognizes that not every job requires a university degree to be viable and equitable vocational training (apprentice-journeyman-master) be instituted and recognized, we will never provide the same "free" opportunities to all.
(PS: I teach at what should be a vocational institution that was absorbed by a state university. I can vouch that not all people are intended to hold a degree but are much better suited to a vocational certification.) Where are your f**king trade unions now?

I agree 100%........Bear in mind that European schools make the "split" between academic and vocational training AT THE HS LEVEL.

 

[nat4900]

Define the "civilized world" - name all the major countries in which college tuition is free, please.

So that we may assess their taxation, budget, defense commitments, global interests, etc...

Name those countries please...

If you can.

Your wish is my.........

European countries offering free education
If you want to study in Europe, your parent's income may not be the decider in the quality of education you receive. There are tuition free universities in European countries such as Norway, Sweden and Germany.
Norway
International students flock to Norway to study as they get a high quality education at little to no cost. The Norwegian government finances education with taxpayers' money so foreign students along with native students can enjoy a free ride at state universities. But the catch with studying in Norway is that living expenses can be high with NOK 8,900 (approx. 1,200 GBP) needed just for subsistence per month. This will cover room and board, clothing, healthcare, transport and miscellaneous expenses.

In Norway, there are eight universities, twenty state university colleges and sixteen private colleges. The University of Oslo, University of Bergen, University of Stavanger, Norwegian University of Life Sciences (UMB), University of Agder (UiA) and the University of Nordland are some of the tuition free universities that this Scandinavian country boasts of.

The Norwegian Universities and College Admission Service (NUCAS) is the coordinator of undergraduate admission.

University of Oslo
The Academic Ranking of World Universities (ARWU), or otherwise known as the Shanghai Ranking, has ranked it the 67th best university in the world. The University of Oslo has several noteworthy academics and alumni, spanning many disciplines. The university has produced five Nobel Prize winners and is institutionally connected to some of the world's most prestigious prizes. Between 1947 and 1989, the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded at this university. Furthermore, it is the only university to host a Nobel Prize ceremony.
Sweden
Up until 2010, Sweden had been one of the few European nations countries that had no tuition fees. It did not matter what your nationality was as Swedish taxpayers would foot the bill. But all good things come to an end and in 2010, the Swedish parliament passed a law to charge tuition and application fees for non-EU/EEA students. At the same time, scholarship programs were offered.

Even though there are no tuition free universities in Sweden anymore, a large number of these institutions offer full scholarships (tuition waivers, etc) for international students.

Top Tuition Free Swedish Universities

• Lund University
• Halmstad University
• Uppsala University
• Stockholm University
• Stockholm School of Economics
• Jonkoping University
• Uppsala University

This research university in Uppsala, Sweden, is actually the country's oldest having been founded in 1477. It ranks among the best universities in Northern Europe and it is quite prominent in international rankings too.

The university became considerably recognized during the rise of the Swedish Empire at the end of the 16th century.
Germany
German universities have only recently started charging tuition fees for undergraduate study programs. Right now, just 4 out of 16 Federal states - Baden-Wurttemberg, Bavaria, Hamburg, and Lower Saxony- charge tuition fees that are as little as 500 Euros per semester. All other federal states just request a small semester contribution of around 50 Euros with no tuition fees charged.

Tuition fees for Graduate Programs
Tuition fees are generally charged for Master's programs. Here the fees range from 650 Euros to 3,000 Euros per Semester. The estimated cost of studying and living in Germany is much less than

Norway and other Nordic countries. On average, German students spend roughly 800 Euros for accommodation, transport, food, and other necessities. Germany's research driven programs are a top draw and they have been the inspiration for today's American graduate schools.

Countries and Universities offering free education in Europe

 

[jwoodie]

Free tuition must have the caveats of a student's high grades, discipline at matriculation, completion and commitment to pay back to the society that subsidized (and invested in) such free tuition.

Like every other government program? This is nothing more than another political payoff to liberal universities. Get it?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Be aware that countries that provide "free" tuition also provide comprehensive vocational training for those who do not qualify for or choose university training. So, until this country (US) recognizes that not every job requires a university degree to be viable and equitable vocational training (apprentice-journeyman-master) be instituted and recognized, we will never provide the same "free" opportunities to all.
(PS: I teach at what should be a vocational institution that was absorbed by a state university. I can vouch that not all people are intended to hold a degree but are much better suited to a vocational certification.) Where are your f**king trade unions now?

I agree 100%........Bear in mind that European schools make the "split" between academic and vocational training AT THE HS LEVEL.

yes, at about 13-14 yrs old. Those who chose vocational training attend classes 5-6 days a week and that includes actually performing the work required. Academic studies are very similar to ours and result in similar outcomes. There are loads of jobs that would benefit from a split of this nature: plumbers, bakers, builders...basically any of the trades. I am surprised that unions do not push for an education system like this. It would ensure their continued existence. Of course, trade unions are a totally different entity than service unions in many cases.

 

[nat4900]

F-you! I consider myself pretty conservative and I TEACH at a university. My students and fellow professors are always nagging me to take a full-time professorship.

Really, you're "pretty conservative"?............Never would have thought...LOL

 

[Unkotare]

Before we engage in casual badinage, perhaps you should FIRST explain how such tuition would be "free".

I think that throughout my O/P I have pointed out that "free" means subsidized by taxes.........

The problem is, that's not what the word means in the real world.

 

[nat4900]

Like every other government program? This is nothing more than another political payoff to liberal universities. Get it?

With the exception of evangelical universities, pretty much all others are fairly "liberal"......Alas, that's what an education does to people.

 

[gallantwarrior]

F-you! I consider myself pretty conservative and I TEACH at a university. My students and fellow professors are always nagging me to take a full-time professorship.

Really, you're "pretty conservative"?............Never would have thought...LOL

What? I'm not conservative?

 

[jwoodie]

Like every other government program? This is nothing more than another political payoff to liberal universities. Get it?

With the exception of evangelical universities, pretty much all others are fairly "liberal"......Alas, that's what an education does to people.

That's right: It's what a liberal education does TO people, as opposed to FOR people.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Didn't expect ANY right winger to agree with my post....Heck, most of them have never set foot on a college campus anyway. LOL

Well, since by "free" you mean that "someone else pays for it" ... no, no one with an ounce of common sense would agree with your retarded logic.

 

[nat4900]

yes, at about 13-14 yrs old. Those who chose vocational training attend classes 5-6 days a week and that includes actually performing the work required. Academic studies are very similar to ours and result in similar outcomes. There are loads of jobs that would benefit from a split of this nature: plumbers, bakers, builders...basically any of the trades. I am surprised that unions do not push for an education system like this. It would ensure their continued existence. Of course, trade unions are a totally different entity than service unions in many cases.

Again, I agree......The surprising result, however, is that the European system ALSO emphasizes that some liberal arts can only help the bakers and the builders.....After all, a plumber who may have read a bit of Plato may turn out to be a better" plumber because he/she can engage customers in a more well-rounded manner.

 

[Kondor3]

Define the "civilized world" - name all the major countries in which college tuition is free, please.

So that we may assess their taxation, budget, defense commitments, global interests, etc...

Name those countries please...

If you can.

Your wish is my.........

European countries offering free education
If you want to study in Europe, your parent's income may not be the decider in the quality of education you receive. There are tuition free universities in European countries such as Norway, Sweden and Germany.
Norway
International students flock to Norway to study as they get a high quality education at little to no cost. The Norwegian government finances education with taxpayers' money so foreign students along with native students can enjoy a free ride at state universities. But the catch with studying in Norway is that living expenses can be high with NOK 8,900 (approx. 1,200 GBP) needed just for subsistence per month. This will cover room and board, clothing, healthcare, transport and miscellaneous expenses.

In Norway, there are eight universities, twenty state university colleges and sixteen private colleges. The University of Oslo, University of Bergen, University of Stavanger, Norwegian University of Life Sciences (UMB), University of Agder (UiA) and the University of Nordland are some of the tuition free universities that this Scandinavian country boasts of.

The Norwegian Universities and College Admission Service (NUCAS) is the coordinator of undergraduate admission.

University of Oslo
The Academic Ranking of World Universities (ARWU), or otherwise known as the Shanghai Ranking, has ranked it the 67th best university in the world. The University of Oslo has several noteworthy academics and alumni, spanning many disciplines. The university has produced five Nobel Prize winners and is institutionally connected to some of the world's most prestigious prizes. Between 1947 and 1989, the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded at this university. Furthermore, it is the only university to host a Nobel Prize ceremony.
Sweden
Up until 2010, Sweden had been one of the few European nations countries that had no tuition fees. It did not matter what your nationality was as Swedish taxpayers would foot the bill. But all good things come to an end and in 2010, the Swedish parliament passed a law to charge tuition and application fees for non-EU/EEA students. At the same time, scholarship programs were offered.

Even though there are no tuition free universities in Sweden anymore, a large number of these institutions offer full scholarships (tuition waivers, etc) for international students.

Top Tuition Free Swedish Universities

• Lund University
• Halmstad University
• Uppsala University
• Stockholm University
• Stockholm School of Economics
• Jonkoping University
• Uppsala University

This research university in Uppsala, Sweden, is actually the country's oldest having been founded in 1477. It ranks among the best universities in Northern Europe and it is quite prominent in international rankings too.

The university became considerably recognized during the rise of the Swedish Empire at the end of the 16th century.
Germany
German universities have only recently started charging tuition fees for undergraduate study programs. Right now, just 4 out of 16 Federal states - Baden-Wurttemberg, Bavaria, Hamburg, and Lower Saxony- charge tuition fees that are as little as 500 Euros per semester. All other federal states just request a small semester contribution of around 50 Euros with no tuition fees charged.

Tuition fees for Graduate Programs
Tuition fees are generally charged for Master's programs. Here the fees range from 650 Euros to 3,000 Euros per Semester. The estimated cost of studying and living in Germany is much less than

Norway and other Nordic countries. On average, German students spend roughly 800 Euros for accommodation, transport, food, and other necessities. Germany's research driven programs are a top draw and they have been the inspiration for today's American graduate schools.

Countries and Universities offering free education in Europe

I didn't ask for a list of countries featured in the article that you already posted.

I asked for a list of the countries providing free college tuitition.

So far, we have....

1. Germany
2. France
3. Norway
4. Sweden
5. Malta

Hardly the rest of the "civilized world", eh?

The taxes of most of those are some of the highest in the world, yes?

Many of them rested for decades (and still do, largely) under the American Shield that we threw across Europe after 1945.

It's easy to spend Big Bucks on Education when you don't have to defend yourself - or, alternatively, when you have a Big Brother to defend you, and you've merely got to assist with that Defense.

Let THEM spend a few decades, obliged to spend a proportional percentage of their GDP, on Defense matters, and THEN let's see, in that Alternative Universe, whether they'd have the Wiggle-Room to provide Free College Tuition to the kiddies.

 

[Two Thumbs]

As expected, some right wingers on this forum are ridiculing Sanders' call for free college tuition......Of course, the low intelligence of some right wingers is legendary and, as usual, they mistake the term "free" as just another socialistic "give-away."

First, right wingers should realize that throughout the civilized world, college tuition IS free (except for books and lodging expenses.) Haw can the rest of the world do this? Simple, first one has to determine if free tuition is an investment in the most precious resource a country has....and that is a better economic future through educating its youth.

Second, YES tuition would be paid through an increase in state taxation; after all, most universities are sitting on land grants and universities' charter clearly spell out that they exist for the be betterment of the community, along with the need for both teaching and research.

Third, (and this is something that conservatives SHOULD like if they exercised their brain cells a bit more); that is, tenure for professors may be soon a thing of the past.....part-time/adjunct faculty is on the rise, and THAT should drastically cut down on the very expensive staffing of colleges and universities. The cost of a tenured professor's teaching of 2 or 3 classes could translate to the hiring of 5 part-timers to teach about 15 or so classes.

Fourth, tuition could also be drastically reduced if universities get off their insane quest for college sports. Coaches in such institutions make an average of 3 times the salary of the institution's president or provost. This insanity causes tuitions to be raised for ALL other students to basically subsidize jocks and the athletic staff.

Finally, free tuition should be granted FIRST to students who major in fields that can readily benefit all of the taxed society....Need more doctors? Offer free tuition at medical schools; Need more information technology graduates? the same applies; Need more engineers? Same........

Free tuition must have the caveats of a student's high grades, discipline at matriculation, completion and commitment to pay back to the society that subsidized (and invested in) such free tuition.

That's b/c it's not fucking free you fucking idiot!

How dumb are you leftist?

Do you NOT know that all the money you Give colleges has driven up costs?

Are you fucking dumb enough to not know that colleges will GREATLY INCREASE cost once it comes straight from us?

 

[Zoom-boing]

That's b/c it's not fucking free you fucking idiot!

How dumb are you leftist?

Do you NOT know that all the money you Give colleges has driven up costs?

Are you fucking dumb enough to not know that colleges will GREATLY INCREASE cost once it comes straight from us?

^ I'd pos rep that ... if only I could. A stupid "agree" will have to do.

 

[Unkotare]

Like every other government program? This is nothing more than another political payoff to liberal universities. Get it?

With the exception of evangelical universities, pretty much all others are fairly "liberal"......Alas, that's what an education does to people.

No, it's not. "Education" is not the same as mindlessly swallowing the imposition of the subjective political views from some unethical 'educator.' Plenty of students have enough character and spine to disregard such obvious nonsense.

 

[gallantwarrior]

yes, at about 13-14 yrs old. Those who chose vocational training attend classes 5-6 days a week and that includes actually performing the work required. Academic studies are very similar to ours and result in similar outcomes. There are loads of jobs that would benefit from a split of this nature: plumbers, bakers, builders...basically any of the trades. I am surprised that unions do not push for an education system like this. It would ensure their continued existence. Of course, trade unions are a totally different entity than service unions in many cases.

Again, I agree......The surprising result, however, is that the European system ALSO emphasizes that some liberal arts can only help the bakers and the builders.....After all, a plumber who may have read a bit of Plato may turn out to be a better" plumber because he/she can engage customers in a more well-rounded manner.

Still doesn't mean they require university attendance to round out a tradesman. Not only that, but the trade unions are permitted to determine what additional information will round out their members. There is such a HUGE difference between European trade unions and the unions that have bought and own our country.

 

[nat4900]

I didn't ask for a list of countries featured in the article that you already posted.

I asked for a list of the countries providing free college tuitition.

So far, we have....

1. Germany
2. France
3. Norway
4. Sweden
5. Malta

Hardly the rest of the "civilized world", eh?

You know, a little research on YOUR part wouldn't hurt too much your current ignorance.....

These countries have free-tuition universities for American and other international undergraduates:

Country
What's free?
Brazil Public universities are tuition-free to international students, but Portuguese is the language of instruction.
Czech Republic
Tuition is free for programs in which the language of instruction is Czech.

Finland
The land of the midnight sun has 14 universities and 25 institutes of technology, all supported by the federal government. Many programs are offered in English. More than 6,000 degree-seeking international students study in Finland each year.

Germany Home to world-class higher education with many programs taught in English, Germany offers free tuition to international students in many of its universities.
Greece
Why not study in the birthplace of academia, democracy, and the Olympics? Studying in Greece is generally tuition-free, with some exceptions. The downside is that undergraduate courses are taught in Greek, so you’d have to brush up on your alpha-beta.

Iceland
No tuition is charged at Iceland’s four public universities. About 5 percent of students are from outside Iceland, and a growing number of courses are taught in English.

Luxembourg
A true multicultural environment, the University of Luxembourg, which is the only university in the country, provides instruction in French, German, and English. It charges no tuition for foreign students.

Norway With few exceptions, there is no tuition charged for state universities and university colleges, many of which offer courses and programs in English. About 15,000 foreign students study at Norwegian institutions.

Panama Tuition is free for everyone at public universities in this Central American country, where two universities are internationally ranked—Universidad de Panamá and Universidad Tecnológica de Panamá. The language of instruction is Spanish.

If none of these countries are of interest to you and you are willing to pay just a little more than nothing, check into the public universities in these countries, where tuition fees are negligible, depending on course of study: Argentina, Austria, France, Malaysia, Mexico, Spain, and Turkey.