France hates the new Napoleon film

[lg325]

Then you know what French Socialists and Communists think of Napoleon. The common knowledge of him is like any country's historical lore; distorted and glorifying to the general image of the nation despite all the negative. Just like Americans who only see their history as the savior of mankind. Nice to think that. Makes living more comfortable.

Just the opposite of us Americans we like dragging out the dirty laundry on everyone.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Like the rest of France, I couldnât wait for Ridley Scottâs Napoleon. Then I actually saw it | Agnès Poirier

I took my seat expecting a masterful take on French history. Instead, we got an industrial-grade sex-and-battles disaster, says critic and writer Agnès Poirier

www.theguardian.com

Ridley Scott meeting his Waterloo on the screen is not a pretty sight. His Napoleon inspires in the French viewer a festival of emotions in quick succession: sadness to witness such a colossal missed opportunity; excruciating pain to hear such inept dialogue; bewilderment upon realising that Scott doesn’t seem to have bothered to pick up one history book to check, well, historical facts;

$200m ia a lot to blow on a flop. Its a shame. I was looking forward to seeing it.The critique makes it sound like most other hollywood historical epics. Vapid. No doubt it will pick up oscars in proportion to the money spent on it.

And Danny Devito should play Napoleon every time.

I watched it last night. Its legitimately bad.

Fun if you like muskets and cannons, but its a terrible, terrible hit piece on the second greatest general in history. Would not recommend.

Watch Waterloo instead. Rof Steiger does a much better old Bonaparte.

 

[francoHFW]

Missed that .
Did this all happen yesterday?
Were we fooled by sweeping right and populist gains in Germany , France Italy and Spain -- the larger EU players .
Amazing that matters could change so much while I slept .

The name of the party in power in Spain is the Socialists, the other socialist parties have changed their names but socialists won and stomped the Communists who disappeared with the USSR Aid. Yes I know you know nothing factual LOL. Yes right wing idiots do well in the chaos after the depressions they caused themselves. Great job!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I watched it last night. Its legitimately bad.

Fun if you like muskets and cannons, but its a terrible, terrible hit piece on the second greatest general in history. Would not recommend.

Watch Waterloo instead. Rof Steiger does a much better old Bonaparte.

Waterloo is a spectacular film. I would love to see it on the big screen. Im told that Napoleon has amazing battle scenes. I might watch it for that. I think I might skip the scene where he met Wellington.

 

[Zincwarrior]

what is wrong with the film

It shows Napoleon more as a bumbler falling into greatness. It focuses mostly on him banging a bored Josephine. The two battles are...at best ok, but designed to show how awesome the British are.

This is arguably the greatest general in the history of mankind or tied with Genghis Khan. It focuses on him mumbling like a teenager trying to get more nookie.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Waterloo is a spectacular film. I would love to see it on the big screen. Im told that Napoleon has amazing battle scenes. I might watch it for that. I think I might skip the scene where he met Wellington.

No, it doesn't. I thought it would. Ridley Scott phoned this in.

 

[zaangalewa]

It shows Napoleon more as a bumbler falling into greatness. It focuses mostly on him banging a bored Josephine. The two battles are...at best ok, but designed to show how awesome the British are.

This is arguably the greatest general in the history of mankind

Who? Napoleon? First of all the French found a way to make salpeter in an industrialized way - so they had much more black powder than others. Every idiot is able to win with the biggest army and much more ammunition and brutal drill. By the way: Not the winter in Russia was the big problem for the Grande Armée. When they came to Moscow Moscow was empty. All people had left Moscow. So Napoleon lost by winning. He left back his Grande Armée leaderless in Russia while he and his general staff went home to France. The troops supply broke down and then they had to find on their own a way to come home in the Russian winter. Many died.

or tied with Genghis Khan.

?

It focuses on him mumbling like a teenager trying to get more nookie.

 

[zaangalewa]

Waterloo is a spectacular film. I would love to see it on the big screen. Im told that Napoleon has amazing battle scenes. I might watch it for that. I think I might skip the scene where he met Wellington.

You British superidiots started a process which destroyed Germany and made mighty the Prussians. Because of the nonsense you made lots of wars will follow before your empire will win herselve to death in two world wars by fighting against your own British attitudes in Germany.

 

[francoHFW]

Who? Napoleon? First of all the French found a way to make salpeter in an industrialized way - so they had much more black powder than others. Every idiot is able to win with the biggest army and much more ammunition and brutal drill. By the way: Not the winter in Russia was the big problem for the Grande Armée. When they came to Moscow Moscow was empty. All people had left Moscow. So Napoleon lost by winning. He left back his Grande Armée leaderless in Russia while he and his general staff went home to France. The troops supply broke down and then they had to find on their own a way to come home in the Russian winter. Many died.



?

Except he was outnumbered in most battles and I would love to see a link about that saltpeter bologna

 

[Lastamender]

Like the rest of France, I couldnât wait for Ridley Scottâs Napoleon. Then I actually saw it | Agnès Poirier

I took my seat expecting a masterful take on French history. Instead, we got an industrial-grade sex-and-battles disaster, says critic and writer Agnès Poirier

www.theguardian.com

Ridley Scott meeting his Waterloo on the screen is not a pretty sight. His Napoleon inspires in the French viewer a festival of emotions in quick succession: sadness to witness such a colossal missed opportunity; excruciating pain to hear such inept dialogue; bewilderment upon realising that Scott doesn’t seem to have bothered to pick up one history book to check, well, historical facts;

$200m ia a lot to blow on a flop. Its a shame. I was looking forward to seeing it.The critique makes it sound like most other hollywood historical epics. Vapid. No doubt it will pick up oscars in proportion to the money spent on it.

And Danny Devito should play Napoleon every time.

France is almost as useless as the UK. They will get over it.

 

[Ringo]

 

[zaangalewa]

Except he was outnumbered in most battles and I would love to see a link about that saltpeter bologna

I'm currently not able to find out what you like to say with the word "bologna".

First: In the following way was made salpeter (potassium nitrate) since the 14th century:

Nitrogen-rich organic waste (manure and urine) is mixed with lime and wood ash (potash) and left to decompose in loose, air-permeable piles of soil. The nitrogen compounds are converted into nitrates by bacteria. After two years, the mass is leached out with water. Potash (potassium carbonate) is added to the raw liquor (consisting in particular of sodium nitrate or sodium nitrate), thereby converting calcium and magnesium nitrate into potassium nitrate and sparingly soluble alkaline earth carbonate. By evaporating the filtered lye, potassium nitrate is obtained, which is purified by recrystallization.

Source: Kaliumnitrat – Wikipedia

I heard a long time ago - but I am not able to verify this now - that a French scientist whose name I unfortunatelly forgot - found a way to produce Salpeter (for Napoleon) without to have to use organic waste. The chemical formula is:

Anyway it needed with the old methods from the 13th century 2 years to produce salpeter. So when someone shot it needed 2 years to replace this black powder. And I know that the storage of black powder in the Holy Empire everywhere had restrictions. It was easy for Napoleon to win because he had a very big army and this army had a gigantic amount of black powder.

What you underestimate is it that people like Napoleon are always losers in the end - and with them their nations. Ghenghis Khan for example conquered a gigantic empire before his own horse killed him. Today the Mongols are proud on him - but to be honest: Whatelse than vanity is it to make Ghengis Khan to a god now and to be proud on him? Helps this any Mongolian in whatever form of reality?



Es ist alles eitel

Du siehst, wohin du siehst, nur Eitelkeit auf Erden.
Was dieser heute baut, reißt jener morgen ein;
Wo jetzund Städte stehn, wird eine Wiese sein,
Auf der ein Schäferskind wird spielen mit den Herden;

Was jetzund prächtig blüht, soll bald zertreten werden;
Was jetzt so pocht und trotzt, ist morgen Asch und Bein;
Nichts ist, das ewig sei, kein Erz, kein Marmorstein.
Jetzt lacht das Glück uns an, bald donnern die Beschwerden.

Der hohen Taten Ruhm muss wie ein Traum vergehn.
Soll denn das Spiel der Zeit, der leichte Mensch, bestehn?
Ach, was ist alles dies, was wir vor köstlich achten
Als schlechte Nichtigkeit, als Schatten, Staub und Wind
Als eine Wiesenblum, die man nicht wieder find't!

Noch will, was ewig ist, kein einig Mensch betrachten.

---- Translation:

It is all vain

Wherever you look, you see only vanity on earth.
What this man builds today, that man will tear down tomorrow;
Where cities now stand, there will be a meadow,
On which a shepherd's child will play with the flocks;

What blooms splendidly now will soon be trampled underfoot;
What now throbs and defies, tomorrow will be ashes and bones;
Nothing is eternal, no ore, no marble stone.
Now happiness laughs at us, soon the complaints thunder.

The glory of high deeds must fade like a dream.
Shall the game of time, the easy man, endure?
Alas, what is all this that we esteem delicious
As poor vanity, as shadow, dust and wind
As a meadow flower that cannot be found again!

No one is yet willing to contemplate what is eternal.

 

[there4eyeM]

The only French of whom I am aware that benefitted from the manufacture of superior gunpowder was a family that moved to America in 1800; the Du Pont de Nemours.

 

[Ringo]

. He left back his Grande Armée leaderless in Russia while he and his general staff went home to France. The troops supply broke down and then they had to find on their own a way to come home in the Russian winter. Many died.

Napoleon left the army after Berezina. By this time the French army was, with the exception of the remnants of the Guards, a bunch of ragged and hungry bums.

Btw, tell me honestly, who, when reading about Waterloo or watching a movie about it, didn't root for Napoleon?

 

[zaangalewa]

Napoleon left the army after Berezina. By this time the French army was, with the exception of the remnants of the Guards, a bunch of ragged and hungry bums.

Btw, tell me honestly, who, when reading about Waterloo or watching a movie about it, didn't root for Napoleon?

Russian, leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers and end your totally senseless, totally stupid and absolutelly criminal war on Europe in the Uklraine which the loser Putin and his joke of history Russia had started there.

 

[zaangalewa]

Ringo

And by the way, Russian, in case your forgot: We are damn stubborn enemies - and the Napoleonic complex of Putin is not really a problem for us.

 

[Ringo]

And by the way, Russian, in case your forgot: We are damn stubborn enemies

I know. Germany is like a boxer dressed in nice, fancy shorts, with Gucci boxing gloves, Valentino Garavani shoes, doing a beautiful dance like Muhammad Ali.... and getting beaten up every time he flies into the arena by a fighter dressed in simple shorts and shoes from a totally unfashionable company. A pathetic blowhard.

 

[luiza]

Germany is like a boxer dressed in nice, fancy shorts, with Gucci boxing gloves, Valentino Garavani shoes, doing a beautiful dance like Muhammad Ali.... and getting beaten up every time he flies into the arena by a fighter dressed in simple shorts and shoes from a totally unfashionable company. A pathetic blowhard.

I also see Bangaboomboom as a poser . But a mincer in pink lederhosen blowing kisses to his dressed - up SS buddies .
I bet he is in close contact with Nazi Winkle Titty and Austria's answer to Hermann Goering , our own Morticia .

 

[francoHFW]

I'm currently not able to find out what you like to say with the word "bologna".

First: In the following way was made salpeter (potassium nitrate) since the 14th century:

Nitrogen-rich organic waste (manure and urine) is mixed with lime and wood ash (potash) and left to decompose in loose, air-permeable piles of soil. The nitrogen compounds are converted into nitrates by bacteria. After two years, the mass is leached out with water. Potash (potassium carbonate) is added to the raw liquor (consisting in particular of sodium nitrate or sodium nitrate), thereby converting calcium and magnesium nitrate into potassium nitrate and sparingly soluble alkaline earth carbonate. By evaporating the filtered lye, potassium nitrate is obtained, which is purified by recrystallization.

Source: Kaliumnitrat – Wikipedia

I heard a long time ago - but I am not able to verify this now - that a French scientist whose name I unfortunatelly forgot - found a way to produce Salpeter (for Napoleon) without to have to use organic waste. The chemical formula is:

Anyway it needed with the old methods from the 13th century 2 years to produce salpeter. So when someone shot it needed 2 years to replace this black powder. And I know that the storage of black powder in the Holy Empire everywhere had restrictions. It was easy for Napoleon to win because he had a very big army and this army had a gigantic amount of black powder.

What you underestimate is it that people like Napoleon are always losers in the end - and with them their nations. Ghenghis Khan for example conquered a gigantic empire before his own horse killed him. Today the Mongols are proud on him - but to be honest: Whatelse than vanity is it to make Ghengis Khan to a god now and to be proud on him? Helps this any Mongolian in whatever form of reality?



Es ist alles eitel

Du siehst, wohin du siehst, nur Eitelkeit auf Erden.
Was dieser heute baut, reißt jener morgen ein;
Wo jetzund Städte stehn, wird eine Wiese sein,
Auf der ein Schäferskind wird spielen mit den Herden;

Was jetzund prächtig blüht, soll bald zertreten werden;
Was jetzt so pocht und trotzt, ist morgen Asch und Bein;
Nichts ist, das ewig sei, kein Erz, kein Marmorstein.
Jetzt lacht das Glück uns an, bald donnern die Beschwerden.

Der hohen Taten Ruhm muss wie ein Traum vergehn.
Soll denn das Spiel der Zeit, der leichte Mensch, bestehn?
Ach, was ist alles dies, was wir vor köstlich achten
Als schlechte Nichtigkeit, als Schatten, Staub und Wind
Als eine Wiesenblum, die man nicht wieder find't!

Noch will, was ewig ist, kein einig Mensch betrachten.

---- Translation:

It is all vain

Wherever you look, you see only vanity on earth.
What this man builds today, that man will tear down tomorrow;
Where cities now stand, there will be a meadow,
On which a shepherd's child will play with the flocks;

What blooms splendidly now will soon be trampled underfoot;
What now throbs and defies, tomorrow will be ashes and bones;
Nothing is eternal, no ore, no marble stone.
Now happiness laughs at us, soon the complaints thunder.

The glory of high deeds must fade like a dream.
Shall the game of time, the easy man, endure?
Alas, what is all this that we esteem delicious
As poor vanity, as shadow, dust and wind
As a meadow flower that cannot be found again!

No one is yet willing to contemplate what is eternal.

Amazingly I just started reading Bonaparte in Egypt and they mentioned the saltpeter thing...Monge and Bertollet were the inventors, bologna is a euphemism for BS, which I guess it isn't totally LOL

 

[Richard-H]

After watching a documentary on the French & British navies during the Napoleonic war, I get a kick out if the way the British make such a big deal over the battle of Trafalgar and Lord Nelson, while forgetting about the small unknown British naval force that really saved England from a French invasion. I guess it's because Lord Nelson was royalty.

From what I understand, the main British fleet under Nelson had been dup'd into trying to find the French fleet in the Carribean. Meanwhile the French fleet was heading to the English channel - to take control so the French Army could invade England.

It was just a small armada of British ships that stopped the French fleet. No great big squares in London for them!

Napolean was so mad that he ordered the French Fleet to Trafalgar where they were sitting ducks for the vastly superior British main fleet.

If anything, Lord Admiral Nelson should have been post-humorously demoted for having gotten himself killed for no valid military reason.

But he was Royalty....