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What Jefferson would have been in favor of would be the government getting out of healthcare all together, therefore making medicine more competitive and bringing about lower prices.
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and lower quality of goods. Lower prices doesn't always mean better product.What Jefferson would have been in favor of would be the government getting out of healthcare all together, therefore making medicine more competitive and bringing about lower prices.
and lower quality of goods. Lower prices doesn't always mean better product.What Jefferson would have been in favor of would be the government getting out of healthcare all together, therefore making medicine more competitive and bringing about lower prices.
You realize you are quoting a bunch of dudes who wore wigs and have been dead for 200 years, right? They also gave us the ability to amend the constitution, which goes to show they knew things might CHANGE.
Just the fact you continue to quote them leads me to believe you don't have the ability to think for yourself. Which kind of explains your ignorance in this case. Isn't it hard to breathe with your head in the sand?
You realize you are quoting a bunch of dudes who wore wigs and have been dead for 200 years, right? They also gave us the ability to amend the constitution, which goes to show they knew things might CHANGE.
Just the fact you continue to quote them leads me to believe you don't have the ability to think for yourself. Which kind of explains your ignorance in this case. Isn't it hard to breathe with your head in the sand?
and lower quality of goods. Lower prices doesn't always mean better product.What Jefferson would have been in favor of would be the government getting out of healthcare all together, therefore making medicine more competitive and bringing about lower prices.
The natural tendency of the market is towards higher quality and lower prices. If you don't provide higher quality for lower prices you're unlikely to survive long. It's when the government gets involved that we see higher prices and stagnation of quality.
"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
and pay them out of their public treasury;
they may take into their own hands the education of children,
establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
they may assume the provision of the poor;
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
down to the most minute object of police,
would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power
of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America."
James Madison
I just thought some of you might enjoy what one of the our founders thought of the idea of a Govt. that people looked to for all it's needs.
and lower quality of goods. Lower prices doesn't always mean better product.
The natural tendency of the market is towards higher quality and lower prices. If you don't provide higher quality for lower prices you're unlikely to survive long. It's when the government gets involved that we see higher prices and stagnation of quality.
Ha! Yeah maybe your right (sarcasm). But doesn't it concern you that the "free market" you love so much has left us with an economy that HAS to be saved by the government. Government ownership=BAD IDEA. Government regulation=GOOD IDEA.
Maybe when China owns the ENTIRE country, or when we are the ones speaking Hindi and providing tech support to the Indians, ya'll might figure this out. Maybe via a bit of government REGULATION we can avoid socialism.
Oh and Kevin, if I could suggest some light reading? It's a book called "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. It may provide you with a more realistic view of government regulation. Unfortunately, people just aren't as trustworthy when it comes to making a buck as we would like. Sometimes it pays to keep an eye on them.
ALso Health care should never be for profit.
You realize you are quoting a bunch of dudes who wore wigs and have been dead for 200 years, right? They also gave us the ability to amend the constitution, which goes to show they knew things might CHANGE.
Just the fact you continue to quote them leads me to believe you don't have the ability to think for yourself. Which kind of explains your ignorance in this case. Isn't it hard to breathe with your head in the sand?
Properly amending the Constitution via Article V, and bastardizing it to fit the whims and desires of the political whores in Washington, are two different things.
Congress has 18 enumerated powers for a reason. Healthcare is not one of them.
ALso Health care should never be for profit.
I can see you know nothing about the real world. People go into business to make money. I know it seems like a silly concept to you but that's what makes the world go around. If there was no money in it, nobody would have made the computer you typed this silly statement on. If there was no money in it, nobody would be a doctor, nobody would build a hospital, and nobody would make your medicine. Hope you aren't serious about what you believe. It costs millions of dollars to invent, make, and sell medications. Do you think anybody's going to do that in a non-profit kind of business? You've got to be joking...
The natural tendency of the market is towards higher quality and lower prices. If you don't provide higher quality for lower prices you're unlikely to survive long. It's when the government gets involved that we see higher prices and stagnation of quality.
Ha! Yeah maybe your right (sarcasm). But doesn't it concern you that the "free market" you love so much has left us with an economy that HAS to be saved by the government. Government ownership=BAD IDEA. Government regulation=GOOD IDEA.
Maybe when China owns the ENTIRE country, or when we are the ones speaking Hindi and providing tech support to the Indians, ya'll might figure this out. Maybe via a bit of government REGULATION we can avoid socialism.
Oh and Kevin, if I could suggest some light reading? It's a book called "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. It may provide you with a more realistic view of government regulation. Unfortunately, people just aren't as trustworthy when it comes to making a buck as we would like. Sometimes it pays to keep an eye on them.
Well if we're going to recommend fiction in regards to economics let me recommend Atlas Shrugged.
At any rate, the free market is not to blame for our recession in any way shape or form. We had nothing resembling a free market economy. The Federal Reserve's low interest rate policy is what gave us our recession.
You realize you are quoting a bunch of dudes who wore wigs and have been dead for 200 years, right? They also gave us the ability to amend the constitution, which goes to show they knew things might CHANGE.
Just the fact you continue to quote them leads me to believe you don't have the ability to think for yourself. Which kind of explains your ignorance in this case. Isn't it hard to breathe with your head in the sand?
Properly amending the Constitution via Article V, and bastardizing it to fit the whims and desires of the political whores in Washington, are two different things.
Congress has 18 enumerated powers for a reason. Healthcare is not one of them.
Yeah, problem is the political pimps in Washington (lobbyists) are bitch slapping the whores. This fight isn't about socialism, it's about what the people want. That's why we elect the "whores" as you say. Unfortunately, the people do not get what they want because the pimps run the show.
We the people..
What else needs to be said?
Ha! Yeah maybe your right (sarcasm). But doesn't it concern you that the "free market" you love so much has left us with an economy that HAS to be saved by the government. Government ownership=BAD IDEA. Government regulation=GOOD IDEA.
Maybe when China owns the ENTIRE country, or when we are the ones speaking Hindi and providing tech support to the Indians, ya'll might figure this out. Maybe via a bit of government REGULATION we can avoid socialism.
Oh and Kevin, if I could suggest some light reading? It's a book called "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. It may provide you with a more realistic view of government regulation. Unfortunately, people just aren't as trustworthy when it comes to making a buck as we would like. Sometimes it pays to keep an eye on them.
Well if we're going to recommend fiction in regards to economics let me recommend Atlas Shrugged.
At any rate, the free market is not to blame for our recession in any way shape or form. We had nothing resembling a free market economy. The Federal Reserve's low interest rate policy is what gave us our recession.
HA! I'm done with this thread. It's the Fed's fault? Not the last 30 years of migrating jobs or the total obliteration of the middle class!?
This is not worth my time.
Btw, "The Jungle" may be fiction, but it is one of the main reasons you don't have shit in your food!
Nonsense? Okay Captain economy. Explain why the city I live in went from a burgeoning metropolis of 200,000 to a shit hole with less than 50,000 in 20 years. I don't need to understand economics to know we no longer make anything in this country. We have gone from being producers to being consumers and for many folks the best job they can get is at Wal-Mart.
You can sit there on your high horse and spout off all this bullshit about hard work getting you everything in this country. Problem is, that's just not the way it works anymore. If you don't have the means to go to a good school and get a degree, what do you have? A job at Wal-Mart. This is not nonsense Captain, this is fact and it IS a problem.
To compound this, where do you think these Wal-Mart workers get their health care? Right out of your pocket. You are already paying for the "deadbeats" and it's only getting worse.
So march on with your superiority and your ideals. See where it gets your children.