And yet, they all owned slaves...
And many treated them better than we treat the poor today.
Just sayin'
Really? I don't whip poor people, or force them to work for no pay, or sic my dogs on them.
Do you?
Maybe if he's a Wal-Mart manager he does.
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And yet, they all owned slaves...
And many treated them better than we treat the poor today.
Just sayin'
Really? I don't whip poor people, or force them to work for no pay, or sic my dogs on them.
Do you?
I just finished a couple hours of studying the Founding Fathers.
Studying, perhaps, but not comprehending.
And as already correctly noted: the Framers would be in much greater fear of the likes of GWB, who managed to squander a budget surplus.
That is one of the most ignorant posts I have read today.....
In what universe do you get your knowledge? Acidville??
Why the fuck do you think they came here in the first place dumbass??? For bigger government?
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".So, are you claiming that Reagan didn't "consistently" increase the national debt? (He did).
I never claimed that....
No, he didn't.I'll tell you what tho - Obama doubled the debt that all presidents combined accumulated in - 3 years none the less.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
Not at all, Mr. Jones. It's Congress who determines where the money is spent, of that I am fairly certain.Studying, perhaps, but not comprehending.I just finished a couple hours of studying the Founding Fathers.
And as already correctly noted: the Framers would be in much greater fear of the likes of GWB, who managed to squander a budget surplus.
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".I never claimed that....
No, he didn't.I'll tell you what tho - Obama doubled the debt that all presidents combined accumulated in - 3 years none the less.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".I never claimed that....
No, he didn't.I'll tell you what tho - Obama doubled the debt that all presidents combined accumulated in - 3 years none the less.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
So, are you claiming that Reagan didn't "consistently" increase the national debt? (He did).
I never claimed that....
I'll tell you what tho - Obama doubled the debt that all presidents combined accumulated in - 3 years none the less.
notice how nick refuses to admit that reagan left us with a perpetual debt as well and then tries to change the subject. LOL
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".I never claimed that....
No, he didn't.I'll tell you what tho - Obama doubled the debt that all presidents combined accumulated in - 3 years none the less.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".
No, he didn't.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
You're both wrong. It was 10 T. It's now 15 T. Obama's 5 T in 4 years is staggering though.
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".
No, he didn't.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
You are simply wrong.
After Bush's 2009 budget (his last), the National Debt stood at 12.8, not "like 7".
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".
No, he didn't.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
You are simply wrong.
After Bush's 2009 budget (his last), the National Debt stood at 12.8, not "like 7".
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".I never claimed that....
No, he didn't.I'll tell you what tho - Obama doubled the debt that all presidents combined accumulated in - 3 years none the less.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".
No, he didn't.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
You're both wrong. It was 10 T. It's now 15 T. Obama's 5 T in 4 years is staggering though.
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
You are simply wrong.
After Bush's 2009 budget (his last), the National Debt stood at 12.8, not "like 7".
PROVE IT....
I'll put my soul on it that is was 7.....
I know that for a fact, because I have gone over these numbers, and have had this debate about 500 times.
Well, my post was in response to someone who did claim that Reagan's debt was "manageable" rather than "perpetual".
No, he didn't.
2009 National Debt - 12.8 Trillion dollars.
Current National Debt - 15.7 Trillion.
Not exactly "doubled".
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
got a source for that info?? Are you sure it wasn't at 7 when he was elected back in nov of 2008 and not when he entered office on jan 20, 2009? Sometimes you rightwingers confuse those two dates.
When Bush left office it was like 7 and now it's 15....
got a source for that info?? Are you sure it wasn't at 7 when he was elected back in nov of 2008 and not when he entered office on jan 20, 2009? Sometimes you rightwingers confuse those two dates.
First off, I am absolutely certain, secondly at the time both the House and Senate belonged to progressives from 2006-2010...
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010You are simply wrong.
After Bush's 2009 budget (his last), the National Debt stood at 12.8, not "like 7".
PROVE IT....
I'll put my soul on it that is was 7.....
I know that for a fact, because I have gone over these numbers, and have had this debate about 500 times.
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
I think not. If the founding fathers saw America today, they would be more likely to praise Obama than defy him. I think they were pretty smart guys and would recognize that their vision of the country 200 years ago is in need of some serious tweaking. However, you guys would have hated them. They studied science, read poetry, European newspapers, Plato, hung out in Paris and thought the Bible was bull shit.I just finished a couple hours of studying the Founding Fathers. They gave ominous warnings against people like Obama and I'm convinced that they would resolutely defy Obama were they alive today.
"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt." -- Thomas Jefferson