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I just do not want Zionists influencing my government nor do I think we should support them.
I have no problem with them existing, etc.
I am not for my govt supporting any group based on religious reasons.
I suppose those with limited reasoning would say you are either with us or for the enemy...
I say I can neither be for you or YOUR enemy.
Seal was one of the most hated anti Semites. Even the two "moderate Zionist" friends he had ended up giving up on him after realizing he's just a classic anti Semite, and wanted nothing to do with him. In fact they were embarassed to have stood up for him. You have a very bad memory.
Roudy:
I have to admit that you are one slick bastard !!!
The only thing that you know for certain about Seal is that he is Irish and that he is Catholic, that's it !!! All the rest of your rant is information that you have gotten from other non-reliable sources. My association with Seal is a little more close than yours and you are completely wrong about him as you are about most things.
Marg, the truth of the matter is that Seal was the most slandered person on the old MED board. I have seen almost every aspect of his life torn apart. His ethnicity,his religion, his ideas, and most heinously his family. He was called a murder because he was in the army during Viet Nam. It was said that his mother was a whore who raped him when he was young and that his father was a Nazi who sodomized him. He had a niece that was raped and than committed suicide and she was called a whore. The old board was much worse than this one but Roudy seems to think that he can open old wounds and get away with it, well maybe he can. BUT I WILL SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT !!! Seal on occasion did lash back but for the most part he just grinned and bore it. The only time he ever really got angry was when one of his friends was attacked in the same way. As far as I could see there was only one Zionist that turned against him but she was prone to do that with everyone.
Look you are going to make up your own mind but before you do please examine Roudy's post carefully all it is, is unfounded accusations and one has to question what Roudy's motivations are in what he is doing. Seems to me that all he is trying to do is muddy Seal's Reputation so that he will not be taken seriously. This seems to be a regular tactic of his as I have seen him do it to several posters Jos, Sunni-Man, and Loin Boy to name a few.
Just so that my motivations can't be questioned I am doing this because Seal is a Friend of mine just like Hoss and I stick by my friends unless they are wrong. Seal is not. Like I said earlier the one question that is most important is what is Roudy's motivation for this attack.
PS When Seal did lash out he did not hold back and this resulted in one of the Zionist Posters on the board saying that even in his anger he was constructive. Also among his friends on the board he was well respected
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If you're going by the UN mandated division then "Arab Palestine' would be in Jordan, and Jewish Palestine would be Israel, including the West Bank.
United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The UN partion in this link disputes your claim. Can you provide your link?
Seriously? Go ahead and report it, you fucking illiterate mental case.United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The UN partion in this link disputes your claim. Can you provide your link?
i.m pretty sure that is copyright infringement, roudy. next time please provide a link for your map. thank you in advance. i think i will go with Pbels map instead.
and really, be careful with copyright. it inviolves more than just words.
"so is that what your doing, huh? trying to intimidate me into not expressing my opinion about some jewish people who think thay can tarnish the legacy of a great civil rights leader manipulating his words that he spoke in the past to address a current issue that king would have no truck with.
i'm not intimidated.
if anyone wonders why jews are regarded with such disdain and disgust by black communities across the united states today, all they have to do is look at the first post on this thread. jews deserve it. you use the black man in life strictly for your advantage, and now you use him after life as well.
you should be ashamed...you all should...and that goes for you too hossfly. "
Actually, Seal - I think YOU should be ashamed of your filthy gutter mind. The ease with which you RUSH to make wild and unsupported accusations of racism against the Jewish community as whole, and the ease with which 'they deserve it' rolls off your fingers are appalling.
But one supposes you truly enjoy a good rant and gettin' your dudgeon up! Ever so much easier to simply keep slamming Jews in every possible way and claiming 'they deserve it', than to actually act as though Jews are human, too.
No he wouldn't condemn Israel for defending itself against your beloved IslamoNazi animals. Go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on, you fucking Nazi asshole.What? Am I missing something?
hoss, i went back three times and checked the post carefully that roudy made and your thanks to him and high gravity because i wanted to be wrong and i wanted to apologise to you because i really think you try to be fair and a decent human being...
so i will ask you for your honest answer right now, and a simple yes or no will do, but certainly feel free to go into detail...
do you think that that post would be a fair representation of king's views were he alive today?
or...
do you think he would condemn israel for their actions in lebanon, gaza, and the west bank.?
i myself cannot imaagine him approving in any way, shape, or form, or supporting or condoning israel's behaviour, or do you think he would align with fellow peace prize winner...desmond tutu, mairead corrigan, jimmy carter, neson mandela, kofi annan...to name just a few...do you think he would join with them today and loudly protest the human rights abuses that go on in israel today?
and do you think the use of his memory in such a way is appropriate and justified?
if you do, then i have been sadly mistaken about you.
Seal was one of the most hated anti Semites. Even the two "moderate Zionist" friends he had ended up giving up on him after realizing he's just a classic Jew hater, and wanted nothing to do with him. In fact they were embarassed to have stood up for him. You have a very bad memory.
Roudy:
I have to admit that you are one slick bastard !!!
The only thing that you know for certain about Seal is that he is Irish and that he is Catholic, that's it !!! All the rest of your rant is information that you have gotten from other non-reliable sources. My association with Seal is a little more close than yours and you are completely wrong about him as you are about most things.
Marg, the truth of the matter is that Seal was the most slandered person on the old MED board. I have seen almost every aspect of his life torn apart. His ethnicity,his religion, his ideas, and most heinously his family. He was called a murder because he was in the army during Viet Nam. It was said that his mother was a whore who raped him when he was young and that his father was a Nazi who sodomized him. He had a niece that was raped and than committed suicide and she was called a whore. The old board was much worse than this one but Roudy seems to think that he can open old wounds and get away with it, well maybe he can. BUT I WILL SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT !!! Seal on occasion did lash back but for the most part he just grinned and bore it. The only time he ever really got angry was when one of his friends was attacked in the same way. As far as I could see there was only one Zionist that turned against him but she was prone to do that with everyone.
Look you are going to make up your own mind but before you do please examine Roudy's post carefully all it is, is unfounded accusations and one has to question what Roudy's motivations are in what he is doing. Seems to me that all he is trying to do is muddy Seal's Reputation so that he will not be taken seriously. This seems to be a regular tactic of his as I have seen him do it to several posters Jos, Sunni-Man, and Loin Boy to name a few.
Just so that my motivations can't be questioned I am doing this because Seal is a Friend of mine just like Hoss and I stick by my friends unless they are wrong. Seal is not. Like I said earlier the one question that is most important is what is Roudy's motivation for this attack.
PS When Seal did lash out he did not hold back and this resulted in one of the Zionist Posters on the board saying that even in his anger he was constructive. Also among his friends on the board he was well respected
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That's because there is no misuse, you're making up shit. Dr King was a Zionist and lover of the Jewish people, mostly because of the huge support he received from prominent Jewish peopleand Jewish groups, and also because he identifed Jewish history and causes as similar to Black history."so is that what your doing, huh? trying to intimidate me into not expressing my opinion about some jewish people who think thay can tarnish the legacy of a great civil rights leader manipulating his words that he spoke in the past to address a current issue that king would have no truck with.
i'm not intimidated.
if anyone wonders why jews are regarded with such disdain and disgust by black communities across the united states today, all they have to do is look at the first post on this thread. jews deserve it. you use the black man in life strictly for your advantage, and now you use him after life as well.
you should be ashamed...you all should...and that goes for you too hossfly. "
Actually, Seal - I think YOU should be ashamed of your filthy gutter mind. The ease with which you RUSH to make wild and unsupported accusations of racism against the Jewish community as whole, and the ease with which 'they deserve it' rolls off your fingers are appalling.
But one supposes you truly enjoy a good rant and gettin' your dudgeon up! Ever so much easier to simply keep slamming Jews in every possible way and claiming 'they deserve it', than to actually act as though Jews are human, too.
learn how to read. i still don't see any jewish people condemning the regular misuse of dr. king's legacy and reputation.
guess what...if 99 bald headed, one eyed en whack me with a 2 X 4, i am going to be pretty wary of the next one eyed bald headed man i meet. at that point, you will accuse me of being bigoted against follicley deprived people who lack depth perception.
Yup, that's Squealio for ya. He used to hang around "Jewish ladies recipe boards" and prey on vulnerable women, who for example may have just lost their husbands. A true "man of character" he is."Hey Seal. Any good Jewish ladies recipe boards lately?"
Say what?????
You seem a little ignorant of Jewish history, religion and culture, a huge part of which involves Zionism. That is why a Jew is buried facing Jerusalem, prays toward Jerusalem, swears never to forget Jerusalem as part of a marriage ceremony, and prays "next year in Jerusalem" during the Passover rituals.The 'Jews' did not and do not need Israel for safety or to live. In fact, Jews in Israel are in jeopardy as a result of the Zionist movement.
Calling a group 'Jews' can only be appropriate when that group does so itself, and even then it must be remembered that 'Jews' are synonymous with 'people'.
A person is Jewish because she/he believes in that religious concept.
The Nazis and others decided 'Jews' were a race and that race was bad. A political group that called itself 'Zionist' capitalized on the backlash to the horrors inflicted by the racist Nazis.
Jewish people live in comfort, safety and security in the US, as they always have. Yes, there have been and still are idiotically stupid people who do not like 'Jews'. We call them anti-semitic. Semitic really refers to a language group and is not a race. The Semites moved into the middle east thousands of years ago and replaced the peoples and nations of that area.
The justification for Israel's presence is totally the modern desire to assuage an emotional reaction. Everyone knows that if it were applied generally all indigenous peoples would take over every country, although determining just who really is 'indigenous' could be a problem.
I just do not want Zionists influencing my government nor do I think we should support them.
I have no problem with them existing, etc.
I am not for my govt supporting any group based on religious reasons.
I suppose those with limited reasoning would say you are either with us or for the enemy...
I say I can neither be for you or YOUR enemy.
OK, fine. I don't think you understand that Zionism isn't solely a religious movement.
And I agree with you about the US government ever acting on 'religious' reasons - which of course includes abortion and 'Armageddon' scenarios.
I take it that you disapprove of all the fundamentalist Christians who've been persistently seeking to influence the US government for decades as well?
Although Christianity is not an anti Semitic, there are those that have been rabid anti Semites DESPITE the teachings of Christianity. I wish I could say the same about Islam, which is anti Semitic and intolerant if not outright violent towards anybody that is a non Muslim. There are those Muslims however that are NOT anti Semites, despite the teachings of Islam.
I have to admit (I bite my tongue), I liked your answer...I think I am anti Israel but pro Zionist. The world owed the Jews a safe-haven especially after WWll...The UN mandated a Jewish State and an Arab State, I support that. Sometimes I thinkm that one State in a Confederation would solve the animosity, especially if the Palestinians and Jews are autonomous in their-own sections.
That's pretty much what UN 181 suggested in 1947. You might want to read it ... it's not that long. What becomes clear after reading 181 and the socio-political machinations which preceeded it (SykesPicot, Balfour, Peele, Woodhead, White Paper) is that some well meaning people set the nationalist aspirations of the region's peoples into an almost irreconcilable conflict mode. That's not to say it can't be fixed - in fact, it has to be - but conflicts like these have, in the past, lasted for centuries.
if anyone wonders why jews are regarded with such disdain and disgust by black communities across the united states today, all they have to do is look at the first post on this thread. jews deserve it. you use the black man in life strictly for your advantage, and now you use him after life as well.
Hate speech above was vomited up by Seal.
I have to admit (I bite my tongue), I liked your answer...I think I am anti Israel but pro Zionist. The world owed the Jews a safe-haven especially after WWll...The UN mandated a Jewish State and an Arab State, I support that. Sometimes I thinkm that one State in a Confederation would solve the animosity, especially if the Palestinians and Jews are autonomous in their-own sections.
That's pretty much what UN 181 suggested in 1947. You might want to read it ... it's not that long. What becomes clear after reading 181 and the socio-political machinations which preceeded it (SykesPicot, Balfour, Peele, Woodhead, White Paper) is that some well meaning people set the nationalist aspirations of the region's peoples into an almost irreconcilable conflict mode. That's not to say it can't be fixed - in fact, it has to be - but conflicts like these have, in the past, lasted for centuries.
I have been preaching on these boards for many years to look at the long term because Wars of Attrition can and will last for many eons. Like all other wars between the Arabs and the West in Palestine, the Arabs won because of their tactics using Time as their weapon.
Wars of attrition are won not by the weapontry of the day but the constant pressure excerted by a vastly superior numerical numbers.
So far, the Arabs have won all these wars over Time.