For those of you who think too much government spending goes to welfare...

[Steelplate]

I'm not a conservative whatever that is.

You're the typical government dupe. You think you pay taxes but since 100% of your pay comes from people like me who pay more in taxes annually than you make in a year you're actually "paying your taxes" with my money.

So don't go fooling yourself that you pay for your own salary and pension.

What a lying dick.

I paid $42,000 in federal income taxes in 2010 how much did you pay?

I MADE less than that. You ought to be happy that your life is that blessed instead of crying woe is me about your taxes. Personally? I paid about $13k... my wife and I together? About 30K(she makes more than I do). We both claim single/0 dependents on our w-4's so we can make sure that we don't underpay and guarantee ourselves of a some kind of refund. Which, BTW... the Government collects interest on all year long.

So... good for you. I'm not sure the dick comparison thing worked out in your favor... but hey.... assholes tend to like to brag about the size of their dicks... so you have that going for you.

 

[Steelplate]

Yeah. What a total sacrifice to be a government worker. (An oxymoron if there ever was one).

Try it sometime....You have to deal with ignorant fucks who have no idea what you actually do complaining that you're a "tic on the ass of society", while you are protecting their weak and ignorant asses from shit that they don't know exists in their own neighborhoods.

Yes...Nothing like the unrecognised genius of the bureaucratic parasite class.

Hey... I could drop a few off at your house too.

 

[Steelplate]

I'm not a conservative whatever that is.

You're the typical government dupe. You think you pay taxes but since 100% of your pay comes from people like me who pay more in taxes annually than you make in a year you're actually "paying your taxes" with my money.

So don't go fooling yourself that you pay for your own salary and pension.

Ok... so when do you want me to drop off some of my people to your house? So what you are saying is that I don't earn my wages? FUCK you. People like you are what is wrong with this country. You want your asses protected, but you don't respect the people who do it and you don't want to pay for it. I hope some privately run Group Home opens one up right next to your house...BTW, about half of the people that I personally work with? Are court ordered to our facility because Privately Run Group homes weren't keeping tabs on them and they got their hands on some kid... one raped an elderly woman in a Nursing Home.

So... when should I drop them off?

I didn't say anything about earning. I said you should fund your own retirement like the rest of us and not have a guaranteed pension when the people who actually do pay your salary don't get a guarantee.

Well those sex offenders and I thought you said they were developmentally disabled should be medicated to the point where all they can do is drool in a cup then we won't have to worry about them will we?

Oh... well... so you cool with fucking over OTHER people's liberties and freedoms, but don't fuck with yours, right?

 

[Skull Pilot]

What a lying dick.

I paid $42,000 in federal income taxes in 2010 how much did you pay?

I MADE less than that. You ought to be happy that your life is that blessed instead of crying woe is me about your taxes. Personally? I paid about $13k... my wife and I together? About 30K(she makes more than I do). We both claim single/0 dependents on our w-4's so we can make sure that we don't underpay and guarantee ourselves of a some kind of refund. Which, BTW... the Government collects interest on all year long.

So... good for you. I'm not sure the dick comparison thing worked out in your favor... but hey.... assholes tend to like to brag about the size of their dicks... so you have that going for you.

You've been wiping the asses of sex offenders too long if you can make a comparison between you funding your own retirement and dick size.

Maybe it's time you got a job that isn't a dead end where you can make some money.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Ok... so when do you want me to drop off some of my people to your house? So what you are saying is that I don't earn my wages? FUCK you. People like you are what is wrong with this country. You want your asses protected, but you don't respect the people who do it and you don't want to pay for it. I hope some privately run Group Home opens one up right next to your house...BTW, about half of the people that I personally work with? Are court ordered to our facility because Privately Run Group homes weren't keeping tabs on them and they got their hands on some kid... one raped an elderly woman in a Nursing Home.

So... when should I drop them off?

I didn't say anything about earning. I said you should fund your own retirement like the rest of us and not have a guaranteed pension when the people who actually do pay your salary don't get a guarantee.

Well those sex offenders and I thought you said they were developmentally disabled should be medicated to the point where all they can do is drool in a cup then we won't have to worry about them will we?

Oh... well... so you cool with fucking over OTHER people's liberties and freedoms, but don't fuck with yours, right?

Yeah because a retarded sex offender is such an asset to society.

 

[Steelplate]

United States Total Spending Pie Chart for 2012 - Charts

Health Care: 18%

Pensions: 16%

Defense: 15%

Education: 15%

Welfare: 11%

I think the federal government should spend $0 on welfare.

I think the government should come and confiscate all your shit, take your source of income away and leave you with nothing.... for a month... see how ya do. The only thing is, you know you'll get it back in a month.

It's easy to talk tough when you're doing OK. It's called a lack of empathy... You super right wingers have that gene missing from your DNA.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes, she is quite the evil, racist bitch. Classic example of a person who should never have been allowed power for her proclivity to misuse it.

Interesting. What do you disagree with?

Oh the desire to create a socialist society and her past racist crap she's spouted. I see she finally got her talking point right and called it 'nationalization' not 'socialization' like she did the first time.

This is actually the most sane she's ever sounded. Must have hired a good handler. Unlike you, I seem to remember more of her past record and statements. No I am not going to do links, you can be your own research monkey and find them by searching for videos with "Cynthia McKinnie, racist".

I have not seen what you are talking about.

searching for videos with "Cynthia McKinnie, racist".

cynthia mckinney racist - YouTube

OK, and?

 

[editec]

Of course the best thing to do would be to get the economy working again.

Then welfare costs would automatically go down.

No offense, but when in the 9 hells has welfare costs ever gone down?

AUGUST 22, 1996.

Seriously, Avatar, go read a book.

 

[naturegirl]

This is nothing more than hyperbolic bullshit.

Somehow taking care of your parents is bad to him.

I like Medicare. If it were up to me, it'd be extended to everyone. I'm a Democrat. I believe our community should take care of people who are old and sick. Not to mention children, babies, and the disabled.

You, on the other hand, would have us believe you've got a million dollars set aside for when your mom gets cancer.

Good luck with that. Hopefully your mom won't get cancer.

If she does though, good luck living out of your cardboard box.

This is where you fail. It should not cost a million dollars to care for a cancer patient. You should be questioning why instead of saying the government (you and I) should just pay the set price!! The outrage from the left is always in the wrong place. 40 years ago, before insurance and trial lawyers, health care was affordable for everyone.

Why is it OK with you to pay those outrageous sums for elderly care??

 

[kaz]

My father has diabetes. His kidneys failed. He needs dialysis 3x per week. He'd be dead if it wasn't for Medicare.

(Yet he's still a Republican. Crazy, huh.)

So he hadn't saved and wouldn't have bought insurance. And you know that his family, the community, charities and his church wouldn't help him?

Well, obviously his own child wouldn't...

You got that reference, obviously he didn't because it wasn't even a consideration to him.

 

[kaz]

He's got a 401k, some sort of pension, and a bunch of rental houses he's bought over the years.

I don't know their net worth, but it's maybe half a million or so.

Dialysis is maybe 70k per year. He's got neuropathy, and he's going blind. He lost the use of his feet a couple years ago, and he's had I don't know how many surgeries. Again, just guessing, the medical bills must run into the $100's of thousands per year. There's no private insurance company that would take him. You must know that.

Anyway, if they liquidated everything, they could pay those kinds of bills. For a couple of years. But he'd be dead before now, either way. And my mother would be homeless.

Neither his church nor his kids could or would pay those bills.

If your church would, tell me which one it is, and I'll send him there.

Anyway, the funny thing is, despite all that, he'd still agree with everything you say. Even though he's only alive because of the Democratic welfare program called "Medicare".

I'm questioning your numbers or why someone with a half million should have other people pay his bills for him, but let's say it's all true.

So you think the money for Medicare comes out of thin air? "Government" is paying it? There is no consequence of the government providing six figures a year for one person's medical bills?

What part are you questioning? The part where somebody saves up for their old age? Or the part where their life savings are destroyed by a deadly illness?

Anyway, I'm OK with the ice floe solution, so long as you take your turn on the ice floe, when you're old and sick and bankrupt.

#1: You estimated he has a half million dollars.

#2: You didn't get my point. I don't have to accept one facet only of your system. Read the bolded part. I am saying that if government confiscated and destroyed less money we'd all be richer and there would be more money available to help people. I am also saying that if people didn't rely on government to do their own jobs for them, I'm referring to your father and you here, he's YOUR father, not mine, then we wouldn't have an entitlement mentality and politicians couldn't use saps like you to rob the rest of us blind.

So your boiling it down to the ice floe completely is ridiculous. I will take my SYSTEM over yours in a heartbeat. You don't get to offer me your system but I'm on the floe. You escaped your fathers bills and you get his inheritance rather then his spending it on his own needs and you celebrate. Wow, we're paying your bills for you. But you pay for it over and over economically and in terms of who you are. Government paid your father's bills. But you pay for it every day in everything you buy and you are not a free man, you are dependent on government and you pay for that every time you vote for your Democratic dependency pimp candidate because you have to, and you pay for in in giving up being a free man who looks to solve your own problems first and looks to others to solve them for you.

 

[kaz]

So he hadn't saved and wouldn't have bought insurance. And you know that his family, the community, charities and his church wouldn't help him?

Well, obviously his own child wouldn't...

My guess is, your kids won't either.

You better hope Republicans continue to lose elections.

A lot of people are like you. But to believe everyone is would only be a rationalization on your part, and you're wrong. This is my point above on that Obama, Harry and Nancy promising to give your bills to other people isn't just an economic question but it lessens who you are as a person to believe I'm equally responsible for your fathers bills as you are.

 

[Sundial]

I'm questioning your numbers or why someone with a half million should have other people pay his bills for him, but let's say it's all true.

So you think the money for Medicare comes out of thin air? "Government" is paying it? There is no consequence of the government providing six figures a year for one person's medical bills?

What part are you questioning? The part where somebody saves up for their old age? Or the part where their life savings are destroyed by a deadly illness?

Anyway, I'm OK with the ice floe solution, so long as you take your turn on the ice floe, when you're old and sick and bankrupt.

#1: You estimated he has a half million dollars.

#2: You didn't get my point. I don't have to accept one facet only of your system. Read the bolded part. I am saying that if government confiscated and destroyed less money we'd all be richer and there would be more money available to help people. I am also saying that if people didn't rely on government to do their own jobs for them, I'm referring to your father and you here, he's YOUR father, not mine, then we wouldn't have an entitlement mentality and politicians couldn't use saps like you to rob the rest of us blind.

So your boiling it down to the ice floe completely is ridiculous. I will take my SYSTEM over yours in a heartbeat. You don't get to offer me your system but I'm on the floe. You escaped your fathers bills and you get his inheritance rather then his spending it on his own needs and you celebrate. Wow, we're paying your bills for you. But you pay for it over and over economically and in terms of who you are. Government paid your father's bills. But you pay for it every day in everything you buy and you are not a free man, you are dependent on government and you pay for that every time you vote for your Democratic dependency pimp candidate because you have to, and you pay for in in giving up being a free man who looks to solve your own problems first and looks to others to solve them for you.

Look, you said he should have saved. I told you that he did. You said his church should pay his bills. I'm telling you they won't. You're saying his family should pay his bills. I'm telling you they can't.

If your "solution" is telling me his family (me) is selfish - great. You score a point. But yours is not a solution - it's just bullshit.

What I'm telling you is that you're a hypocrite. You complain about "government medicine" - but you'll use it, when you get sick.

Your system sucks, because it's based on 1.) you not wanting to pay taxes, and 2.) hoping nothing bad happens to you. It's wishful thinking + selfishness.

 

[Sundial]

Well, obviously his own child wouldn't...

My guess is, your kids won't either.

You better hope Republicans continue to lose elections.

A lot of people are like you. But to believe everyone is would only be a rationalization on your part, and you're wrong. This is my point above on that Obama, Harry and Nancy promising to give your bills to other people isn't just an economic question but it lessens who you are as a person to believe I'm equally responsible for your fathers bills as you are.

It sounds like you're saying you'd rather bankrupt your kids, than have to pay for Medicare. What a squalid, mean-spirited, hateful way to try to get out of paying your taxes.

 

[Dr.Drock]

So half a trillion dollars gets spent in one year, and the OP is saying that's not a lot?

No wonder nobody really gives a shit about deficits or debt anymore.

If you think all this spending is good, you should be DEMANDING your politicians skyrocket taxes.

 

[kaz]

My guess is, your kids won't either.

You better hope Republicans continue to lose elections.

A lot of people are like you. But to believe everyone is would only be a rationalization on your part, and you're wrong. This is my point above on that Obama, Harry and Nancy promising to give your bills to other people isn't just an economic question but it lessens who you are as a person to believe I'm equally responsible for your fathers bills as you are.

It sounds like you're saying you'd rather bankrupt your kids, than have to pay for Medicare. What a squalid, mean-spirited, hateful way to try to get out of paying your taxes.

No, I'm saying YOU are bankrupting your kids. Grow up and stop playing stupid word games.

 

[kaz]

Look, you said he should have saved. I told you that he did. You said his church should pay his bills. I'm telling you they won't. You're saying his family should pay his bills. I'm telling you they can't...

I don't know what I can tell you Sundial. You actually don't get it, do you? You think when I list all those things, each was independently supposed to be THE solution. I'll say it again, but probably not for you since if you didn't get it up until now you're probably not going to. This is a list.

1) People should spend their own money on their routine expenses.

2) They should buy insurance for things they can't afford to pay for.

3) Then they should go to their families for help.

4) Then they should rely on the help they can get from their community, churches, etc.

By having government do it, you make everyone dependent on government and thereby create an entitlement mentality. Government makes us all poorer as they take the money out of the economy. Government makes poor decisions on what care should be provided, who should provide it and who should receive it because that's the nature of government. You pay for it in everything you buy. And you pay for it because everyone else runs to government to solve their problems like you do.

Here's the trick, Sundial. This is a system. You can't pull specific things out of it, like Oh, his church should pay for it, as if I said that was the solution. I didn't. I said that is one of many areas that can help him, not that they will pay his bills for him. This is why it's such a waste of time arguing with liberals. Rather then grasping and addressing arguments, you just keep repeating, duh, I don't get it. His church is going to pay for his dialysis? Is your church going to pay for his dialysis? It's not that complicated and that's OBVIOUSLY not what I meant. But liberals think that "duh, I don't get it" is a panacea argument addressing all points and that not getting it is a reflection of their intelligence. It is a reflection of their intelligence, but how small it is, not how great.

 

[Big Fitz]

Interesting. What do you disagree with?

Oh the desire to create a socialist society and her past racist crap she's spouted. I see she finally got her talking point right and called it 'nationalization' not 'socialization' like she did the first time.

This is actually the most sane she's ever sounded. Must have hired a good handler. Unlike you, I seem to remember more of her past record and statements. No I am not going to do links, you can be your own research monkey and find them by searching for videos with "Cynthia McKinnie, racist".

I have not seen what you are talking about.

searching for videos with "Cynthia McKinnie, racist".

cynthia mckinney racist - YouTube

OK, and?

Lovely. So I found other stuff using Bing. Lots of whiny victimhood too.

"Cynthia McKinney" Racist - Bing Videos

You don't make that level of fuss over racism unless you are racist. But since it seems this type of search has been scrubbed on Youtube, I looked for other instances, too. Hell, I can't even find many of the news articles where she attacked a capitol hill police officer doing his job when she refused to ID herself appropriately.
Oops, spoke too soon. Used to be very easily found.

cynthia mckinney capitol police - Bing Videos
Sounds like a forced apology to me.

Wow... she's a Mumia supporter too. Good sign she's fucking nuts.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...7806877F80E17042C3FF7806877&first=0&FORM=LKVR

cynthia mckinney capitol police - Bing Videos

Wow... MSLSD reported this.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/lawmaker-s-run-in-racial/62l4578?cpkey=33bc6aae-a302-44b3-9e8d-7c8a62a57188||||

Oh boy! Conspiracy nut too, 5000 executed citizens from Katrina making allegations that they were killed because the government was racist.

cynthia mckinney crazy - Bing Videos

Fucking nuts enough for you? What if Ron Paul or Dennis Kookcinich spouted a quarter of this shit? They'd be done too.

 

[Big Fitz]

Of course the best thing to do would be to get the economy working again.

Then welfare costs would automatically go down.

No offense, but when in the 9 hells has welfare costs ever gone down?

When was the last time our economy worked properly?

Define 'properly'. I suspect our definitions won't match.

 

[rightwinger]

United States Total Spending Pie Chart for 2012 - Charts

Health Care: 18%

Pensions: 16%

Defense: 15%

Education: 15%

Welfare: 11%

Healthcare is part of welfare, that makes it 29%.
Last I looked that isn't what the founders and writers of the constitution saw as government responsibility.

There were a lot of things the founders did not consider a government responsibility

They were really not up on what was required to run a 21st century superpower