For those of you who think Bush was a better president than Obama....

[code1211]

Yep Obama caused the housing and debt bubbles.

It's not what caused anything.

No matter where you are going, your only option is to proceed from where you are. The Big 0 campaigned saying that it was the worst economy since the Great Depression. It was no surprise to him unless he is a lying SOB with no integrity and no honor.

That he inherited a bad situation is not in doubt. That he made it worse is not in doubt.

What is in doubt is what can be done to correct it. There is doubt on this because the Big 0 has made no progress and in truth has hampered the recovery at every turn.

If he was a foreign enemy he could not be doing more harm.

 

[uscitizen]

I have to ask: WHY? What in the hell makes Obama a lesser president than Bush. Look, Obama definitely isn't perfect, but to claim Bush was a better president is simply ignorant.

It is Bush who is responsible for creating this deficit crisis. The two wars he started and the tax cuts for the rich have been very costly.

So can anyone compare and contrast, in detail, why they think Bush was a better president? I am very curious to know.

It is Bush who is responsible for creating this deficit crisis. The two wars he started and the tax cuts for the rich have been very costly.

I seem to remember the Democrats voting for at least one of the wars....
And Obama extending the Bush tax cuts....
Oh and by the by those Bush tax cuts went to all taxpayers...

but mostly to those who can afford to play in the market.

And yes Obama is mostly a 3rd Bush term.
Glad you agree.

 

[code1211]

Whatever happened to that bipartisan agreement for mandatory across the board budget cuts?
doesn't repubs control the house?

I personally believe that they should have stopped the government and not let it up again until there was a budget passed by the Senate.

That's just me, though.

 

[uscitizen]

Yep Obama caused the housing and debt bubbles.

It's not what caused anything.

No matter where you are going, your only option is to proceed from where you are. The Big 0 campaigned saying that it was the worst economy since the Great Depression. It was no surprise to him unless he is a lying SOB with no integrity and no honor.

That he inherited a bad situation is not in doubt. That he made it worse is not in doubt.

What is in doubt is what can be done to correct it. There is doubt on this because the Big 0 has made no progress and in truth has hampered the recovery at every turn.

If he was a foreign enemy he could not be doing more harm.

The housing and debt bubbles caused nothing?
wow just wow.

You ARE delusional and not fit to comment on such subjects.

 

[Liability]

Bush was a republican. To some people the crappyist republican is preferable to the most competent democrat. Simple really.

That makes no sense.

President Bush wasn't crappy. He had some faults, true. Who doesn't? But "crappiest?" Baseless partisan tripe.

And there's nothing about the incumbent that comes close to competent, either.

 

[FireFly]

Yep Obama caused the housing and debt bubbles.

Obama was involved.

Obama also signed the NDAA law - Enjoy!

 

[Stephanie]

At least Bush loved his country and the military he was CIC of..

and not just, GENERALLY

 

[uscitizen]

Yep Obama caused the housing and debt bubbles.

Obama was involved.

Obama also signed the NDAA law - Enjoy!

ON the downhill slide already.
But yes if he could have he would have done exactly what Bush and the others before him did to help create the problems.

 

[occupied]

Bush was a republican. To some people the crappyist republican is preferable to the most competent democrat. Simple really.

That makes no sense.

President Bush wasn't crappy. He had some faults, true. Who doesn't? But "crappiest?" Baseless partisan tripe.

And there's nothing about the incumbent that comes close to competent, either.

Palin, Bachman, Santorum, Romney, Newt, anyone but Obama, sound familiar? Some republicans set the bar far too low.

 

[JoeB131]

I have to ask: WHY? What in the hell makes Obama a lesser president than Bush. Look, Obama definitely isn't perfect, but to claim Bush was a better president is simply ignorant.

It is Bush who is responsible for creating this deficit crisis. The two wars he started and the tax cuts for the rich have been very costly.

So can anyone compare and contrast, in detail, why they think Bush was a better president? I am very curious to know.

First and foremost, Bush could work with the other party when he needed to get things done.

I think both parties are responsible for the "debt crisis", but the real cause is that we want government to do all this stuff and we don't want to pay for it or make someone else pay for it. Propose cutting something, and someone will scream. We can't even cut off corporate welfare like PBS without someone screaming "You want to Kill Big Bird!"

I think Bush and Obama are just managing the decline, but at least Bush managed it better.

What I want is a president who will stop the decline. And that ain't anyone currently running.

 

[uscitizen]

For those of you who think Bush was a better president than Obama....

?

What idiot believes that?

Surplus turned into deficit, two failed, illegal wars, and more government does not ‘better’ make.

The small surplus was turned into a deficit? How big was that fall off compared to the falloff from Bush to the Big 0.

There's no way to make this comparison without making your man look like the biggest failure ever elected.

Until Santorum if he is elected.

 

[JoeB131]

Your ignorance is laughable. When Clinton was done, we had a budget surplus. There is no disputing that. The economic crisis started when Bush was president. I don't necessarily blame Bush for the economic crisis, but it would be absolutely ludicrous to blame Clinton for it.

Actually, there is a LOT of disputing that.

We didn't have a "surplus", we had a situation where for a breif moment, payments into the Social Security and Medicare Trust funds were exceeding deficits into the "General Fund" that powers everything else. That wasn't going to last because of our aging population, and the fact that the stock market had already peaked and was declining.

Clinton certainly does deserve a lot of the blame for the 2001 recession and laid the roots of the 2008 recession.

He's the one who signed the ridiculous trade treaties that made it easier for big companies to offshore jobs. ALL of our problems are linked to that. But the man never saw a trade treaty he didn't love.

 

[TruthSeeker56]

I have to ask: WHY? What in the hell makes Obama a lesser president than Bush. Look, Obama definitely isn't perfect, but to claim Bush was a better president is simply ignorant.

It is Bush who is responsible for creating this deficit crisis. The two wars he started and the tax cuts for the rich have been very costly.

So can anyone compare and contrast, in detail, why they think Bush was a better president? I am very curious to know.

Regardless of whether Bush was a "better" President, Bush is certainly a better MAN.

Barack Obama is a former half-term U.S. Senator who has never held a "working class" job, had no administrative experience (such as serving as the governor of a state), and counts among his "mentors" a racist pastor, a "retired" domestic terrorist, and a racist professor.

Anybody care to compare Bush's resume' to Obama's "weightless" resume'? Let me guess, the leftists will be slobbering all over themselves about Bush's bout with alcohol abuse, and some other run-of-the-mill HUMAN FLAWS.

No comparison between Bush and Obama as MEN. I wouldn't let Obama walk my dog, or wash my car. He's a liar, a cheat, and a phoney.

 

[occupied]

I have to ask: WHY? What in the hell makes Obama a lesser president than Bush. Look, Obama definitely isn't perfect, but to claim Bush was a better president is simply ignorant.

It is Bush who is responsible for creating this deficit crisis. The two wars he started and the tax cuts for the rich have been very costly.

So can anyone compare and contrast, in detail, why they think Bush was a better president? I am very curious to know.

Regardless of whether Bush was a "better" President, Bush is certainly a better MAN.

Barack Obama is a former half-term U.S. Senator who has never held a "working class" job, had no administrative experience (such as serving as the governor of a state), and counts among his "mentors" a racist pastor, a "retired" domestic terrorist, and a racist professor.

Anybody care to compare Bush's resume' to Obama's "weightless" resume'? Let me guess, the leftists will be slobbering all over themselves about Bush's bout with alcohol abuse, and some other run-of-the-mill HUMAN FLAWS.

No comparison between Bush and Obama as MEN. I wouldn't let Obama walk my dog, or wash my car. He's a liar, a cheat, and a phoney.

Bush sucked most because of Cheney and Rummy. By the time he finally broke away from their influence we were in two miserable wars and our foreign policy was wreckage. The sheer irresponsibility of allowing those two anywhere near the levers of power is criminal negligence.

 

[Flopper]

Obama Accomplishments:

1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform

 

[Avatar4321]

Partisans always think their guy is the best there are just as many who think Obama can do no wrong as there are who think the same about Bush. I don't think Bush was a great President nor do I feel he is the worst I have not found Obama to be overly impressive to this point but who knows he could get better or worse time will tell.

Get worse? That would take some doing.

Oh believe me, with Obama in office, it has barely begun to get bad. Wait till the summer vioilence.

 

[Avatar4321]

Bush was a republican. To some people the crappyist republican is preferable to the most competent democrat. Simple really.

That makes no sense.

President Bush wasn't crappy. He had some faults, true. Who doesn't? But "crappiest?" Baseless partisan tripe.

And there's nothing about the incumbent that comes close to competent, either.

Palin, Bachman, Santorum, Romney, Newt, anyone but Obama, sound familiar? Some republicans set the bar far too low.

All of which would be a vast improvement over the current administration.

 

[Avatar4321]

Obama Accomplishments:

1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform

saying things aren't accomplishments.

I intend to push for energy reform.

I guess i just had a freakin major accomplishment!

 

[SniperFire]

 

[Two Thumbs]

I have to ask: WHY? What in the hell makes Obama a lesser president than Bush. Look, Obama definitely isn't perfect, but to claim Bush was a better president is simply ignorant.

It is Bush who is responsible for creating this deficit crisis. The two wars he started and the tax cuts for the rich have been very costly.

So can anyone compare and contrast, in detail, why they think Bush was a better president? I am very curious to know.

It is Bush who is responsible for creating this deficit crisis. Liar. It's been building for decades and obama piled it far higher in 3 than he did in 8.

The two wars he startedLIAR. does 9/11 mean so fucking little to you that you would lie like this? Negged for being such of fucking pig.

and the tax cuts for the rich have been very costly. moronic hack fuck puke repeats propaganda like a good parrot.