JakeStarkey
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Conservative Christians believe the Constitution is only for them, no one else.
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But you did claim that Female Genital Mutilation was part of Sharia....that three arrests in Detroit for performing the procedure (all three are accused in the same case) was proof that Sharia was practiced in the U.S.The usual loons hyperventilate about islamophobia and claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S Female Genital Mutilation is practiced in the U.S., with 500,000 girls at risk.
Sharia law is not the same thing as female Genital mutilation.
I know this comes as a shock to you.
Arrest those who mutilate- or attempt female genital mutilation.
But that has nothing to do with Sharia law. No more than Christians beating their kids for god.
I didn't claim any such thing. Condolences on the lack of reading comprehension.
Seriously ??!! More hate and fear mongering? When we say that Sharia law is not in the US we mean that it is not incorporated into Federal, State or local law nor is it sanctioned or recognized by the US legal system at any level. Every religion has their law and are free to practice it in accordance with the first amendment, unless doing so comes into conflict with our established laws and then it is deal with as this genital mutilation was dealt with. Islam is not being given any special quarter to practice their religious laws. Get the hell out of here with this nonsensical inane clap trap . You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.The usual loons hyperventilate about islamophobia and claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S. (They also ignore how gays and rape victims are executes in other countries).
Well, the lie has been exposed. Female Genital Mutilation is practiced in the U.S., with 500,000 girls at risk. Instead of worrying about inane micro-aggressions and Fake Rape Culture, how about addressing this REAL ABUSE of young girls?
For the second time in a week, authorities have charged a Detroit-area doctor with breaking a federal genital mutilation law, this time arresting a suburban physician and his wife for allegedly helping another doctor perform genital cutting on 7-year-old girls in a Livonia clinic.
According to a criminal complaint unsealed Friday, while a doctor removed parts of the girls' genitals, the wife of the clinic owner held the girls' hands "in order to comfort them."
Dr. Fakhruddin Attar, 53, and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, both of Livonia, were arrested Friday morning at the Burhani Medical Clinic in Livonia, where the alleged cuttings took place.
They're charged with conspiring to perform genital mutilation on minor girls by letting a doctor use their clinic to perform the procedure. Prosecutors say two Minnesota girls had their genitals mutilated in February by Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, who was charged last week in what is the nation's first federal prosecution of genital cutting. She was arrested April 12 and ordered jailed pending the outcome of her case involving the two Minnesota girls, though the FBI believes she has several more victims....
2nd doctor charged in genital mutilation case
^^^ What.A.Moron ^^^
Sharia Law adherents believe that it supplants The Constitution.
But if you believe that Hanging Gays, Stoning Rape Victims, Burning Inconvenient Wives, and Mutilating Little Girls will get you 70 virgins in the Afterlife, then Sharia Law is interested in you.
Dear boedicca
In OTHER countries that don't have strong Constitutional enforcement,
YES
In Africa and Europe whole countries are suffering from militant groups
HIJACKING govt and implementing "shariah law" to mean this justice without due process to defend civil rights of individuals from govt abuses.
But in the US the OPPOSITE is happening if anything.
We've had more cases of people THREATENING to curb and ban "shariah law"
by law, which has also run into Constitutional arguments to DEFINE what is shariah
(because the term literally means the PRACTICE of Islam including prayer and charity,
alms for the elderly and poor, individual rights to free exercise in private which CANNOT be banned by law)
You are talking about the politicized religion of mixing Muslim religion with govt and civil laws.
This is unconstitutional in America.
In other countries that don't have such protections, YES that is a problem.
In the US more cases involve defending Muslims religious freedom from discrimination because
of the anti-Islamic sentiments. Look up cases in Tennessee where it was proposed to shut down
Mosques from being built. Look at the fight over a Mosque near the 9/11 ground zero site.
The opposite fight is going on in America, because our Constitutional laws
on religious freedom go BOTH WAYS:
Govt can neither ESTABLISH nor PROHIBIT the free exercise of religion.
So our laws protect both the right of Muslims to practice individually,
barring discrimination by creed, and would preclude any implementation through govt of religious beliefs.
===================
HUGE PS:
boedicca if you REALLYwant to take up a fight,
right now we have MORE of an issue with LEFTIST POLITICAL BELIEFS
crossing the line and getting embedded and enforced with govt laws and penalties:
* the health care mandates that favor people who believe in "health care as a right"'
and FINE people for NOT COMPLYING who don't believe govt has authority for health care mgmt as a civil liberty and individual freedom under the constitution.
so Constitutionalists are being FINED and PUNISHED for failure to comply with laws that VIOLATE OUR BELIEFS
* laws on accommodating gay marriage
right now people and business owners who don't believe in gay marriage
are being fined and punished for refusing to violate their own beliefs
* laws on transgender accommodations in restrooms
harassment, bullying, boycotts and lawsuits wasting taxpayer money
have been launched over this private FAITHBASED issue that govt
has no authority to decide or force people to change their beliefs on.
So boedicca do you want me to drag you into the Bullring on this challenge:
that the LEFT has done more to integrate their political beliefs into govt
under PENALTYof law than the Muslims with Shariah law that means their religious practice in general that is already
protected by Constitutional laws.
We could take this one step further, and answer TWO issues at once.
Let me know if you want to try this!
You are sorely mistaken if you think that I believe The Left and Sharia Law are not incredibly similar.
But you did claim that Female Genital Mutilation was part of Sharia....that three arrests in Detroit for performing the procedure (all three are accused in the same case) was proof that Sharia was practiced in the U.S.The usual loons hyperventilate about islamophobia and claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S Female Genital Mutilation is practiced in the U.S., with 500,000 girls at risk.
Sharia law is not the same thing as female Genital mutilation.
I know this comes as a shock to you.
Arrest those who mutilate- or attempt female genital mutilation.
But that has nothing to do with Sharia law. No more than Christians beating their kids for god.
I didn't claim any such thing. Condolences on the lack of reading comprehension.
The usual loons hyperventilate about islamophobia and claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S. (They also ignore how gays and rape victims are executes in other countries).
Well, the lie has been exposed. Female Genital Mutilation is practiced in the U.S., with 500,000 girls at risk. Instead of worrying about inane micro-aggressions and Fake Rape Culture, how about addressing this REAL ABUSE of young girls?
For the second time in a week, authorities have charged a Detroit-area doctor with breaking a federal genital mutilation law, this time arresting a suburban physician and his wife for allegedly helping another doctor perform genital cutting on 7-year-old girls in a Livonia clinic.
According to a criminal complaint unsealed Friday, while a doctor removed parts of the girls' genitals, the wife of the clinic owner held the girls' hands "in order to comfort them."
Dr. Fakhruddin Attar, 53, and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, both of Livonia, were arrested Friday morning at the Burhani Medical Clinic in Livonia, where the alleged cuttings took place.
They're charged with conspiring to perform genital mutilation on minor girls by letting a doctor use their clinic to perform the procedure. Prosecutors say two Minnesota girls had their genitals mutilated in February by Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, who was charged last week in what is the nation's first federal prosecution of genital cutting. She was arrested April 12 and ordered jailed pending the outcome of her case involving the two Minnesota girls, though the FBI believes she has several more victims....
2nd doctor charged in genital mutilation case
That is beyond stupid! Or, perhaps more likely, you are just being dishonest and pretending to not understand that the issue is not the practice of Sharia law within the Muslim community, but rather, whether or not those practices are condoned by US law which they are not.
In addition, no one is ignoring the plight of gays in Muslim countries except Donald Fucking Trump and his mindless perverted minions
You accused us of supporting silence on persecution of gays
You accused us of defending or at least ignoring the treatment of gays by Muslims .
And in doing so, you seem to be stupidly seem to suggesting that we engage in nation building- to meddle domestic issues of other countries- perhaps even by force. All issues have to be viewed in the context of this countries over all interests. Being realistic is not condoning the abuse
I don’t believe that anyone could actually be so stupid as to not understand that. Rather, you are just exploiting the situation to try to pretend to care about the plight of gays.
When someone comes up with a rational and workable policy approach to dealing with the human rights of LGBT people in the middle east, I will support it whether is comes from a Republican, a Democrat or anyone else.
Links to all the threads about The Left (Antifa, BLM, moveon.org or any prominent leftist activist group) significantly protesting gays being beheaded in Islamic countries?
Seriously ??!! More hate and fear mongering? When we say that Sharia law is not in the US we mean that it is not incorporated into Federal, State or local law nor is it sanctioned or recognized by the US legal system at any level. Every religion has their law and are free to practice it in accordance with the first amendment, unless doing so comes into conflict with our established laws and then it is deal with as this genital mutilation was dealt with. Islam is not being given any special quarter to practice their religious laws. Get the hell out of here with this nonsensical inane clap trap . You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.The usual loons hyperventilate about islamophobia and claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S. (They also ignore how gays and rape victims are executes in other countries).
Well, the lie has been exposed. Female Genital Mutilation is practiced in the U.S., with 500,000 girls at risk. Instead of worrying about inane micro-aggressions and Fake Rape Culture, how about addressing this REAL ABUSE of young girls?
For the second time in a week, authorities have charged a Detroit-area doctor with breaking a federal genital mutilation law, this time arresting a suburban physician and his wife for allegedly helping another doctor perform genital cutting on 7-year-old girls in a Livonia clinic.
According to a criminal complaint unsealed Friday, while a doctor removed parts of the girls' genitals, the wife of the clinic owner held the girls' hands "in order to comfort them."
Dr. Fakhruddin Attar, 53, and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, both of Livonia, were arrested Friday morning at the Burhani Medical Clinic in Livonia, where the alleged cuttings took place.
They're charged with conspiring to perform genital mutilation on minor girls by letting a doctor use their clinic to perform the procedure. Prosecutors say two Minnesota girls had their genitals mutilated in February by Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, who was charged last week in what is the nation's first federal prosecution of genital cutting. She was arrested April 12 and ordered jailed pending the outcome of her case involving the two Minnesota girls, though the FBI believes she has several more victims....
2nd doctor charged in genital mutilation case
^^^ What.A.Moron ^^^
Sharia Law adherents believe that it supplants The Constitution.
But if you believe that Hanging Gays, Stoning Rape Victims, Burning Inconvenient Wives, and Mutilating Little Girls will get you 70 virgins in the Afterlife, then Sharia Law is interested in you.
Dear boedicca
In OTHER countries that don't have strong Constitutional enforcement,
YES
In Africa and Europe whole countries are suffering from militant groups
HIJACKING govt and implementing "shariah law" to mean this justice without due process to defend civil rights of individuals from govt abuses.
But in the US the OPPOSITE is happening if anything.
We've had more cases of people THREATENING to curb and ban "shariah law"
by law, which has also run into Constitutional arguments to DEFINE what is shariah
(because the term literally means the PRACTICE of Islam including prayer and charity,
alms for the elderly and poor, individual rights to free exercise in private which CANNOT be banned by law)
You are talking about the politicized religion of mixing Muslim religion with govt and civil laws.
This is unconstitutional in America.
In other countries that don't have such protections, YES that is a problem.
In the US more cases involve defending Muslims religious freedom from discrimination because
of the anti-Islamic sentiments. Look up cases in Tennessee where it was proposed to shut down
Mosques from being built. Look at the fight over a Mosque near the 9/11 ground zero site.
The opposite fight is going on in America, because our Constitutional laws
on religious freedom go BOTH WAYS:
Govt can neither ESTABLISH nor PROHIBIT the free exercise of religion.
So our laws protect both the right of Muslims to practice individually,
barring discrimination by creed, and would preclude any implementation through govt of religious beliefs.
===================
HUGE PS:
boedicca if you REALLYwant to take up a fight,
right now we have MORE of an issue with LEFTIST POLITICAL BELIEFS
crossing the line and getting embedded and enforced with govt laws and penalties:
* the health care mandates that favor people who believe in "health care as a right"'
and FINE people for NOT COMPLYING who don't believe govt has authority for health care mgmt as a civil liberty and individual freedom under the constitution.
so Constitutionalists are being FINED and PUNISHED for failure to comply with laws that VIOLATE OUR BELIEFS
* laws on accommodating gay marriage
right now people and business owners who don't believe in gay marriage
are being fined and punished for refusing to violate their own beliefs
* laws on transgender accommodations in restrooms
harassment, bullying, boycotts and lawsuits wasting taxpayer money
have been launched over this private FAITHBASED issue that govt
has no authority to decide or force people to change their beliefs on.
So boedicca do you want me to drag you into the Bullring on this challenge:
that the LEFT has done more to integrate their political beliefs into govt
under PENALTYof law than the Muslims with Shariah law that means their religious practice in general that is already
protected by Constitutional laws.
We could take this one step further, and answer TWO issues at once.
Let me know if you want to try this!
You are sorely mistaken if you think that I believe The Left and Sharia Law are not incredibly similar.
Specifically - how? I find The Right and Sharia - both conservative - are far more similar.
Seriously ??!! More hate and fear mongering? When we say that Sharia law is not in the US we mean that it is not incorporated into Federal, State or local law nor is it sanctioned or recognized by the US legal system at any level. Every religion has their law and are free to practice it in accordance with the first amendment, unless doing so comes into conflict with our established laws and then it is deal with as this genital mutilation was dealt with. Islam is not being given any special quarter to practice their religious laws. Get the hell out of here with this nonsensical inane clap trap . You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.The usual loons hyperventilate about islamophobia and claim that Sharia Law is not practiced in the U.S. (They also ignore how gays and rape victims are executes in other countries).
Well, the lie has been exposed. Female Genital Mutilation is practiced in the U.S., with 500,000 girls at risk. Instead of worrying about inane micro-aggressions and Fake Rape Culture, how about addressing this REAL ABUSE of young girls?
For the second time in a week, authorities have charged a Detroit-area doctor with breaking a federal genital mutilation law, this time arresting a suburban physician and his wife for allegedly helping another doctor perform genital cutting on 7-year-old girls in a Livonia clinic.
According to a criminal complaint unsealed Friday, while a doctor removed parts of the girls' genitals, the wife of the clinic owner held the girls' hands "in order to comfort them."
Dr. Fakhruddin Attar, 53, and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, both of Livonia, were arrested Friday morning at the Burhani Medical Clinic in Livonia, where the alleged cuttings took place.
They're charged with conspiring to perform genital mutilation on minor girls by letting a doctor use their clinic to perform the procedure. Prosecutors say two Minnesota girls had their genitals mutilated in February by Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, who was charged last week in what is the nation's first federal prosecution of genital cutting. She was arrested April 12 and ordered jailed pending the outcome of her case involving the two Minnesota girls, though the FBI believes she has several more victims....
2nd doctor charged in genital mutilation case
^^^ What.A.Moron ^^^
Sharia Law adherents believe that it supplants The Constitution.
But if you believe that Hanging Gays, Stoning Rape Victims, Burning Inconvenient Wives, and Mutilating Little Girls will get you 70 virgins in the Afterlife, then Sharia Law is interested in you.
Dear boedicca
In OTHER countries that don't have strong Constitutional enforcement,
YES
In Africa and Europe whole countries are suffering from militant groups
HIJACKING govt and implementing "shariah law" to mean this justice without due process to defend civil rights of individuals from govt abuses.
But in the US the OPPOSITE is happening if anything.
We've had more cases of people THREATENING to curb and ban "shariah law"
by law, which has also run into Constitutional arguments to DEFINE what is shariah
(because the term literally means the PRACTICE of Islam including prayer and charity,
alms for the elderly and poor, individual rights to free exercise in private which CANNOT be banned by law)
You are talking about the politicized religion of mixing Muslim religion with govt and civil laws.
This is unconstitutional in America.
In other countries that don't have such protections, YES that is a problem.
In the US more cases involve defending Muslims religious freedom from discrimination because
of the anti-Islamic sentiments. Look up cases in Tennessee where it was proposed to shut down
Mosques from being built. Look at the fight over a Mosque near the 9/11 ground zero site.
The opposite fight is going on in America, because our Constitutional laws
on religious freedom go BOTH WAYS:
Govt can neither ESTABLISH nor PROHIBIT the free exercise of religion.
So our laws protect both the right of Muslims to practice individually,
barring discrimination by creed, and would preclude any implementation through govt of religious beliefs.
===================
HUGE PS:
boedicca if you REALLYwant to take up a fight,
right now we have MORE of an issue with LEFTIST POLITICAL BELIEFS
crossing the line and getting embedded and enforced with govt laws and penalties:
* the health care mandates that favor people who believe in "health care as a right"'
and FINE people for NOT COMPLYING who don't believe govt has authority for health care mgmt as a civil liberty and individual freedom under the constitution.
so Constitutionalists are being FINED and PUNISHED for failure to comply with laws that VIOLATE OUR BELIEFS
* laws on accommodating gay marriage
right now people and business owners who don't believe in gay marriage
are being fined and punished for refusing to violate their own beliefs
* laws on transgender accommodations in restrooms
harassment, bullying, boycotts and lawsuits wasting taxpayer money
have been launched over this private FAITHBASED issue that govt
has no authority to decide or force people to change their beliefs on.
So boedicca do you want me to drag you into the Bullring on this challenge:
that the LEFT has done more to integrate their political beliefs into govt
under PENALTYof law than the Muslims with Shariah law that means their religious practice in general that is already
protected by Constitutional laws.
We could take this one step further, and answer TWO issues at once.
Let me know if you want to try this!
You are sorely mistaken if you think that I believe The Left and Sharia Law are not incredibly similar.
Specifically - how? I find The Right and Sharia - both conservative - are far more similar.
Seriously ??!! More hate and fear mongering? When we say that Sharia law is not in the US we mean that it is not incorporated into Federal, State or local law nor is it sanctioned or recognized by the US legal system at any level. Every religion has their law and are free to practice it in accordance with the first amendment, unless doing so comes into conflict with our established laws and then it is deal with as this genital mutilation was dealt with. Islam is not being given any special quarter to practice their religious laws. Get the hell out of here with this nonsensical inane clap trap . You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.
^^^ What.A.Moron ^^^
Sharia Law adherents believe that it supplants The Constitution.
But if you believe that Hanging Gays, Stoning Rape Victims, Burning Inconvenient Wives, and Mutilating Little Girls will get you 70 virgins in the Afterlife, then Sharia Law is interested in you.
Dear boedicca
In OTHER countries that don't have strong Constitutional enforcement,
YES
In Africa and Europe whole countries are suffering from militant groups
HIJACKING govt and implementing "shariah law" to mean this justice without due process to defend civil rights of individuals from govt abuses.
But in the US the OPPOSITE is happening if anything.
We've had more cases of people THREATENING to curb and ban "shariah law"
by law, which has also run into Constitutional arguments to DEFINE what is shariah
(because the term literally means the PRACTICE of Islam including prayer and charity,
alms for the elderly and poor, individual rights to free exercise in private which CANNOT be banned by law)
You are talking about the politicized religion of mixing Muslim religion with govt and civil laws.
This is unconstitutional in America.
In other countries that don't have such protections, YES that is a problem.
In the US more cases involve defending Muslims religious freedom from discrimination because
of the anti-Islamic sentiments. Look up cases in Tennessee where it was proposed to shut down
Mosques from being built. Look at the fight over a Mosque near the 9/11 ground zero site.
The opposite fight is going on in America, because our Constitutional laws
on religious freedom go BOTH WAYS:
Govt can neither ESTABLISH nor PROHIBIT the free exercise of religion.
So our laws protect both the right of Muslims to practice individually,
barring discrimination by creed, and would preclude any implementation through govt of religious beliefs.
===================
HUGE PS:
boedicca if you REALLYwant to take up a fight,
right now we have MORE of an issue with LEFTIST POLITICAL BELIEFS
crossing the line and getting embedded and enforced with govt laws and penalties:
* the health care mandates that favor people who believe in "health care as a right"'
and FINE people for NOT COMPLYING who don't believe govt has authority for health care mgmt as a civil liberty and individual freedom under the constitution.
so Constitutionalists are being FINED and PUNISHED for failure to comply with laws that VIOLATE OUR BELIEFS
* laws on accommodating gay marriage
right now people and business owners who don't believe in gay marriage
are being fined and punished for refusing to violate their own beliefs
* laws on transgender accommodations in restrooms
harassment, bullying, boycotts and lawsuits wasting taxpayer money
have been launched over this private FAITHBASED issue that govt
has no authority to decide or force people to change their beliefs on.
So boedicca do you want me to drag you into the Bullring on this challenge:
that the LEFT has done more to integrate their political beliefs into govt
under PENALTYof law than the Muslims with Shariah law that means their religious practice in general that is already
protected by Constitutional laws.
We could take this one step further, and answer TWO issues at once.
Let me know if you want to try this!
You are sorely mistaken if you think that I believe The Left and Sharia Law are not incredibly similar.
Specifically - how? I find The Right and Sharia - both conservative - are far more similar.
I suggest you compare the Berkeley Antifa with the Yale Republican BBQers, and get back to us on that.
Dear Coyote That's only if you compare the
extreme political religious "Armaggeddon" type Zionists (who Christians will denounce as not Christian)
with the extreme political religious "Jihadist" type terrorists (who Muslims will denounce as not Muslim).
There are some far right who want a Bible based govt.
But most of these respect the Constitution that would disallow this being imposed undemocratically.
The Constitutionalist types of Christians who want govt laws consistent with Biblical Christian principles
KNOW to go through the civil govt processes to enact change democratically by voting and passing laws.
Even these far right religious types will respect Civil Obedience to govt and laws, as part of Biblical principles given by God, and will not resort to unlawful conduct to pursue these goals.
So it's not these rightwing types that will take justice in their own hands and abuse of militant force. Only the cultish types like the race war types will start resorting to violence.
Maybe you are trying to compare the common ideology of implementing God based laws through
both private religious groups and govt?
But Coyote if you want to go there,
there are JUST as many LEFTIST types like the Antifa and BLM
that would take their PERSONAL beliefs and impose THAT through govt,
where these groups would IN PRACTICE compare to TERRORISTS for
The Environmental Terrorist tactics of PETA EarthFirst and other "ecoterrorists"
were manifested as both assaults on people in protest, and acts of vandalism
destroying corporate property.
Wouldn't you say there are as many if not MORE leftwing than rightwing groups
using violence? or do you really think the right are more prevalent that the left groups
in terms of extreme militant cults and fascist type movements?