Fixing Tax Loopholes, 51% of Americans Pay NO Incomes Taxes

[WillowTree]

One of the conservative defenses of the Bush tax cuts was always that they were NOT just tax cuts for the Rich,

that lower income Americans got big tax cuts as well... I'll bet every lib here heard that defense.

Now the Right would have us believe that wasn't what the Right really wanted??????

What do you call paying zero federalincometax and getting a rebate on the zero that you pay if not a tax cut? what a fracking moron. The rich pay their taxes. 50% of you leeches do not. You've admitted you pay ten percent..whooooppp ddddd fucking dooooo

Very typical Willow.
People who pay little to no income taxes rarely care about tax increases. And love that free windfall 2nd Christmas every year so they can blow more money.
However those of us who ACTUALLY PAY INCOME TAXES DO care about increases...you see...we don't appreciate the fact that OUR money goes into their hands so they can get a bigger TV.

And Hence was borned the Tea Party We are Taxed Enough already, it's not our fault that 50% of Americans are leeches.

 

[oldsalt]

If you earn income in the United States yes, you should pay Federal Income Taxes. If you have no income then NO you would be NOT liable to pay INCOME tax,, but neither should you receive a rebate on the ZERO you pay.

No working person should have trouble feeding their kids and having decent housing.

This is the richest nation in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for poverty of any kind.

Mat 26:11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Get used to it, and stealing from others to only make poverty more comfortable is not an ethical or righteous act.

It's not stealing, jackass. The rich are not paying their fair share. Loopholes allow them to dodge an exorbitant amt of tax, and hide their $$ like filthy hoarders. They need a slave class, and the middle is it.

 

[oldsalt]

What do you call paying zero federalincometax and getting a rebate on the zero that you pay if not a tax cut? what a fracking moron. The rich pay their taxes. 50% of you leeches do not. You've admitted you pay ten percent..whooooppp ddddd fucking dooooo

Very typical Willow.
People who pay little to no income taxes rarely care about tax increases. And love that free windfall 2nd Christmas every year so they can blow more money.
However those of us who ACTUALLY PAY INCOME TAXES DO care about increases...you see...we don't appreciate the fact that OUR money goes into their hands so they can get a bigger TV.

And Hence was borned the Tea Party We are Taxed Enough already, it's not our fault that 50% of Americans are leeches.

The avg puppet moron teabagger that can't think for him/herself IS paying enough. It's the masters pulling the strings, using the middlebaggers as mindless sheep, that are getting away with it. getting the angry white folk to vote against their interests. morans.

 

[Big Fitz]

No working person should have trouble feeding their kids and having decent housing.

This is the richest nation in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for poverty of any kind.

Mat 26:11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Get used to it, and stealing from others to only make poverty more comfortable is not an ethical or righteous act.

It's not stealing, jackass. The rich are not paying their fair share. Loopholes allow them to dodge an exorbitant amt of tax, and hide their $$ like filthy hoarders. They need a slave class, and the middle is it.

Yep, more socialist doublethink. "They aren't paying 'their fair share'." yet the poor don't pay ANY share. The top 5% or so pay 50% of the tax burden while the majority of the bottom HALF get more back than they paid in.

Who's not paying a 'fair share'?

You have problems with deductions? Fine. Eliminate them while dropping it to a single tax bracket for every person. Problem solved, bubye.

Your idea of 'fairness' is ephemeral and lacking in ethics or morality.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

No working person should have trouble feeding their kids and having decent housing.

This is the richest nation in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for poverty of any kind.

Mat 26:11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Get used to it, and stealing from others to only make poverty more comfortable is not an ethical or righteous act.

It's not stealing, jackass. The rich are not paying their fair share. Loopholes allow them to dodge an exorbitant amt of tax, and hide their $$ like filthy hoarders. They need a slave class, and the middle is it.

Jackass??
Not paying their share??
Just who you talking about?
OVER HALF OF ALL WAGE EARNERS IN AMERICA PAY NO INCOME TAX
--Do you consider this "fair share".

The top 5% pay 58% of ALL taxes paid...what...you want them to pay 75%...thne 75% of Americans pay no taxes - this is fair in your book?

 

[WillowTree]

You'll never see a flat tax, certainly not one as is being touted here. A flat tax without credits, deductions, etc.?

You'd see families in the 30 to 40 thousand dollar taxable income range going from paying no federal income taxes to paying several thousand.

Passing something lke that is about as politically impossible as it gets.

That's another advantage to a fair flat tax. Everyobdy pays it everybody has equal skin in the game then there aren't democrat politicians on every street corner buying your damn vote with the promise you won't have to pay income taxes,, and then they promise to give you a rebate on the zero you paid.. dumbasses.

That's Right, it's the GOP who is on every street corner trying to buy votes with tax cuts, election after election. Remember how CON$ mocked Dukakis for saying in his presidential campaign that taxes would have to be raised!!!!!

Well see? There ya have it. A fair flat tax will stop both the dims and the Republicans dead in their tracks. No more picking winners and losers. No more punitive taxation on those who strive to succeed.

 

[edthecynic]

Obviously you haven't read the Bible. I was showing the timeline of how money was handled. When Christ was with the Apostles, offerings given to him and his ministry at that time was put in common and held by Judas, much like a corporations CFO. After he was translated back to Heaven in Acts 1:9 IIRC, the apostles had a common fund and was dispersed according to the needs of the ministry, much like every church nowadays. Paul and others lived by the donations of others plus the work they did on TOP of the ministry and teaching much like an old fashioned itinerant preacher used to do.

To then use this logic to 'prove' Christ was a socialist is laughable. Christ, in no point took money from anyone against their will as is the whole basis for socialism which fundamentally denies private ownership. Not once did he speak out against anyone owning property, servants or land. Don't even try to use the rich man parable. That is known as illustrating a stumbling block where wealth interferes with your ability to follow Jesus. The couple who sold property and lied about how much and died is an example of trying to cheat God from what they claimed they were giving versus what they chose to give. This was a tradition of corruption as old as the Levites are when the prophets cast down divine judgment for providing lame cattle and impure sacrifices.

So his whole argument (and your support of it) is moot... not to mention foolish.

But I digress.

You make my point for me and then contradict yourself.

Mark 10: 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21* Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22* And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

ROFL... thanks for doing exactly what I predicted you would try.

To use that as an example of socialism is rampant intellectual dishonesty. God told Abraham to sacrifice his son Issac, and stayed his hand at the last second. Solomon asked for Wisdom and Discernment and God, overjoyed with a wise request granted him riches and power as well.

That story illustrates a man who was given a choice over what he loved more, Christ or Wealth. The man chose wealth over Christ. It is an illustration that God wants nothing to come between him and us. Even our blessings that he has bestowed upon us. It has nothing to do with socialism. The man was given a choice. He was not forced.

But do continue to flail away misusing scripture. Ain't me you have to worry about.

When YOU know you are misrepresenting scripture it is easy to predict that you will be called on it.

The actual bible, not the CON$ervative bible, says they that "HAVE" riches, not they that "love" riches as you have changed the bible to say, and you know the fate of those who change the words of the bible, don't you? It isn't good, if you didn't know.

The above verse continues:

Mark 10: 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

 

[WillowTree]

No working person should have trouble feeding their kids and having decent housing.

This is the richest nation in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for poverty of any kind.

Mat 26:11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Get used to it, and stealing from others to only make poverty more comfortable is not an ethical or righteous act.

It's not stealing, jackass. The rich are not paying their fair share. Loopholes allow them to dodge an exorbitant amt of tax, and hide their $$ like filthy hoarders. They need a slave class, and the middle is it.

It's taking. and the takers have overtaken the givers.. Time for a change. Too many people such as yourself feeling entitled to some other man's earnings.. It's just wrong.

 

[Polk]

That's another advantage to a fair flat tax. Everyobdy pays it everybody has equal skin in the game then there aren't democrat politicians on every street corner buying your damn vote with the promise you won't have to pay income taxes,, and then they promise to give you a rebate on the zero you paid.. dumbasses.

That's Right, it's the GOP who is on every street corner trying to buy votes with tax cuts, election after election. Remember how CON$ mocked Dukakis for saying in his presidential campaign that taxes would have to be raised!!!!!

Well see? There ya have it. A fair flat tax will stop both the dims and the Republicans dead in their tracks. No more picking winners and losers. No more punitive taxation on those who strive to succeed.

Except that none of you actually support a "fair flat tax".

 

[Google]

Roughly 65 million American workers pay zero income tax. Do the liberals on this board believe that this is shared sacrifice?

But the real point here is, just like the loopholes for the evil and hated wealthy, the revenue that would be collected would still be a fraction of the current debt and still would not be enough to bridge the gap between the budget and deficit spending.

Tax increases and fixing tax loopholes on all tax payers still would not be enough revenue to cover the $200 billion a month in deficit spending. That is a fact.

The corporate jet tax loophole, a loophole that was part of the 2009 stimulus package, would bring in enough revenue to cover .01% of yearly deficit spending.

Tax increases are not the solution and a lack of revenue isn't the problem. The problem is spending and poll after poll has shown a majority of Americans understand that. Perhaps that, along with the desensitization of the American people to the constant fear-mongering of this president, is why 63% of Americans are against raising the debt ceiling.

 

[Article 15]

One of the conservative defenses of the Bush tax cuts was always that they were NOT just tax cuts for the Rich,

that lower income Americans got big tax cuts as well... I'll bet every lib here heard that defense.

Now the Right would have us believe that wasn't what the Right really wanted??????

What do you call paying zero federalincometax and getting a rebate on the zero that you pay if not a tax cut? what a fracking moron. The rich pay their taxes. 50% of you leeches do not. You've admitted you pay ten percent..whooooppp ddddd fucking dooooo

Ten percent is HIGH for my tax bracket because I have no dependents no deductions.

I'm telling you that the REPUBLICANS caused this with their tax cuts over the years. It's irrefutable fact. Deal with it.

Willow doesn't like it when shown that her favorite talking point is the result of the GOP shoving tax cuts down our throat.

 

[Moonglow]

Get used to it, and stealing from others to only make poverty more comfortable is not an ethical or righteous act.

It's not stealing, jackass. The rich are not paying their fair share. Loopholes allow them to dodge an exorbitant amt of tax, and hide their $$ like filthy hoarders. They need a slave class, and the middle is it.

It's taking. and the takers have overtaken the givers.. Time for a change. Too many people such as yourself feeling entitled to some other man's earnings.. It's just wrong.

Then why when employed you must give up a major portion of your earnings to the rich man?

 

[Google]

No working person should have trouble feeding their kids and having decent housing.

This is the richest nation in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for poverty of any kind.

Mat 26:11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Get used to it, and stealing from others to only make poverty more comfortable is not an ethical or righteous act.

It's not stealing, jackass. The rich are not paying their fair share. Loopholes allow them to dodge an exorbitant amt of tax, and hide their $$ like filthy hoarders. They need a slave class, and the middle is it.

Liberals are so full of a hatred and resentment. Look at all the posts from liberals on this thread. They scream tolerance while they preach their hatred.

The Democratic party has assured that a constant cheap exploitable underclass will be in constant supply while the Obama administration arms the drug cartels in their home country.

 

[edthecynic]

That's another advantage to a fair flat tax. Everyobdy pays it everybody has equal skin in the game then there aren't democrat politicians on every street corner buying your damn vote with the promise you won't have to pay income taxes,, and then they promise to give you a rebate on the zero you paid.. dumbasses.

That's Right, it's the GOP who is on every street corner trying to buy votes with tax cuts, election after election. Remember how CON$ mocked Dukakis for saying in his presidential campaign that taxes would have to be raised!!!!!

So let me get this right: when Democrats support welfare programs that directly takes tax revenues and gives them to people that isn't buying votes, but when Republicans support allowing tax payers to keep more of their own income that is vote buying?

So let me get this straight, you now support the GOP eliminating income taxes on half the population because it allows people to keep more of their income.

 

[sparky]

What do you call paying zero federalincometax and getting a rebate on the zero that you pay if not a tax cut? what a fracking moron. The rich pay their taxes. 50% of you leeches do not. You've admitted you pay ten percent..whooooppp ddddd fucking dooooo

Very typical Willow.
People who pay little to no income taxes rarely care about tax increases. And love that free windfall 2nd Christmas every year so they can blow more money.
However those of us who ACTUALLY PAY INCOME TAXES DO care about increases...you see...we don't appreciate the fact that OUR money goes into their hands so they can get a bigger TV.

And Hence was borned the Tea Party We are Taxed Enough already, it's not our fault that 50% of Americans are leeches.

Your #'s don't make sense Willow

the biggest tax dollar handout in this country's history went to wall street

so your # might be better expressed .1% of Americans

~S~

 

[Google]

What do you call paying zero federalincometax and getting a rebate on the zero that you pay if not a tax cut? what a fracking moron. The rich pay their taxes. 50% of you leeches do not. You've admitted you pay ten percent..whooooppp ddddd fucking dooooo

Ten percent is HIGH for my tax bracket because I have no dependents no deductions.

I'm telling you that the REPUBLICANS caused this with their tax cuts over the years. It's irrefutable fact. Deal with it.

Willow doesn't like it when shown that her favorite talking point is the result of the GOP shoving tax cuts down our throat.

The problem isn't the EITC or tax cuts, it is deficit spending. I am for abolishing the IRS completely and eliminate the income tax, but that isn't possible until $200 billion a month deficit spending is stopped.

 

[Moonglow]

That's Right, it's the GOP who is on every street corner trying to buy votes with tax cuts, election after election. Remember how CON$ mocked Dukakis for saying in his presidential campaign that taxes would have to be raised!!!!!

So let me get this right: when Democrats support welfare programs that directly takes tax revenues and gives them to people that isn't buying votes, but when Republicans support allowing tax payers to keep more of their own income that is vote buying?

So let me get this straight, you now support the GOP eliminating income taxes on half the population because it allows people to keep more of their income.

What income bracket do these tax increase fellows belong to? What party?

 

[WillowTree]

What do you call paying zero federalincometax and getting a rebate on the zero that you pay if not a tax cut? what a fracking moron. The rich pay their taxes. 50% of you leeches do not. You've admitted you pay ten percent..whooooppp ddddd fucking dooooo

Ten percent is HIGH for my tax bracket because I have no dependents no deductions.

I'm telling you that the REPUBLICANS caused this with their tax cuts over the years. It's irrefutable fact. Deal with it.

Willow doesn't like it when shown that her favorite talking point is the result of the GOP shoving tax cuts down our throat.

Hey! Pissant. Can you read the English language? I'm advocating for getting rid of tax breaks and loopholes for everyone. EVERYONE, even the leeches.

 

[Polk]

Roughly 65 million American workers pay zero income tax. Do the liberals on this board believe that this is shared sacrifice?

Two problem with this argument. One, the whole argument in this thread rests of the idea that FICA isn't an income tax. Two, the bottom half pay very little in taxes because they also have a very small share of national income.

But the real point here is, just like the loopholes for the evil and hated wealthy, the revenue that would be collected would still be a fraction of the current debt and still would not be enough to bridge the gap between the budget and deficit spending.

Tax increases and fixing tax loopholes on all tax payers still would not be enough revenue to cover the $200 billion a month in deficit spending. That is a fact.

True, hence the support for a balanced approach.

The corporate jet tax loophole, a loophole that was part of the 2009 stimulus package, would bring in enough revenue to cover .01% of yearly deficit spending.

That's actually not accurate. While the stimulus did include a provision for bonus depreciation, what's being discussed is the 1987 law that allows corporate jets to depreciate over five years instead of the seven for commercial planes.

Tax increases are not the solution and a lack of revenue isn't the problem. The problem is spending and poll after poll has shown a majority of Americans understand that. Perhaps that, along with the desensitization of the American people to the constant fear-mongering of this president, is why 63% of Americans are against raising the debt ceiling.

How can you honestly say that? Revenue right now is at it's lowest point in decades. The majority of Americans favor a balanced approach, containing both spending cuts and tax increases. There is no getting around that.

 

[Big Fitz]

You make my point for me and then contradict yourself.

Mark 10: 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21* Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22* And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

ROFL... thanks for doing exactly what I predicted you would try.

To use that as an example of socialism is rampant intellectual dishonesty. God told Abraham to sacrifice his son Issac, and stayed his hand at the last second. Solomon asked for Wisdom and Discernment and God, overjoyed with a wise request granted him riches and power as well.

That story illustrates a man who was given a choice over what he loved more, Christ or Wealth. The man chose wealth over Christ. It is an illustration that God wants nothing to come between him and us. Even our blessings that he has bestowed upon us. It has nothing to do with socialism. The man was given a choice. He was not forced.

But do continue to flail away misusing scripture. Ain't me you have to worry about.

When YOU know you are misrepresenting scripture it is easy to predict that you will be called on it.

The actual bible, not the CON$ervative bible, says they that "HAVE" riches, not they that "love" riches as you have changed the bible to say, and you know the fate of those who change the words of the bible, don't you? It isn't good, if you didn't know.

The above verse continues:

Mark 10: 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Okay so the rich are all damned. Good to know. Heaven = poor people only club.

This is why you don't listen to an leftist when they play with scripture. It only serves to further their politics.

BTW then, oh wise one... do you mince these points of view?

Mar 10:15 "Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all."

Mat 18:3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2Pe 1:11 for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.