First Photo of Ukrainian F-16 Is Making Moscow imperialists 'Nervous': Kyiv Official

[Litwin]

Ukrainian F-16 is a fact, bad bad news for Moscow empire ....

Moscow horde´s war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

MSN

 

[marvin martian]

tHe gHoST oF kiEV!

 

[EMH]

Should've given those planes to Taiwan, not Ukraine.

 

[Litwin]

Skilled pilots are the backbone of a robust defense—way to go, Ukraine! Showing how it's done with precision and tactical prowess!

Dutch F-16 arrived in Romania for the training of Ukrainian pilots

The first Dutch F-16 fighter jets arrived at the new European F-16 Training Center (EFTC) at the Romanian Baza 86 Aeriana Fetesti airbase

mil.in.ua

 

[Litwin]

Should've given those planes to Taiwan, not Ukraine.

Impressive that Ukraine is essentially building air and naval forces from scratch. And Poland investing in becoming a regional power is also impressive.

 

[Litwin]

tHe gHoST oF kiEV!

Impressive that Ukraine is essentially building air and naval forces from scratch. And Poland investing in becoming a regional power is also impressive.
ps Happy hunting gents, Putin’s jet would be a lovely target.

 

[Litwin]

Should've given those planes to Taiwan, not Ukraine.

 

[Donald H]

Ukraine’s new top general reveals major change in strategy

Kiev is looking to save the lives of its soldiers by going on the defensive and using more drones, Aleksandr Syrsky has said

www.rt.com

Too late.

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine’s new top general reveals major change in strategy

Kiev is looking to save the lives of its soldiers by going on the defensive and using more drones, Aleksandr Syrsky has said

www.rt.com

Too late.

 

[Lemmi]

Should've given those planes to Taiwan, not Ukraine.

Taiwan can afford to buy them at market price. Plus a decent discount for being a longtime US ally.

 

[White 6]

Ukrainian F-16 is a fact, bad bad news for Moscow empire ....

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Moscow horde´s war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

MSN

Cool! I hope the pilot learned well in the transition flight school, and air combat training.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Skilled pilots are the backbone of a robust defense—way to go, Ukraine! Showing how it's done with precision and tactical prowess!

Dutch F-16 arrived in Romania for the training of Ukrainian pilots

The first Dutch F-16 fighter jets arrived at the new European F-16 Training Center (EFTC) at the Romanian Baza 86 Aeriana Fetesti airbase

mil.in.ua

Skilled pilots arent skilled right out of training.......oooops

 

[White 6]

Skilled pilots arent skilled right out of training.......oooops

Transition training of military pilots. It's not like they're training new Cessna 150 pilots, recently soloed.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Transition training of military pilots. It's not like they're training new Cessna 150 pilots, recently soloed.

havent seen any recent stories on the great accomplishments of their Air Force, just more waste.

 

[Failzero]

Impressive that Ukraine is essentially building air and naval forces from scratch. And Poland investing in becoming a regional power is also impressive.


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If you support Arabs over Israel ( The Tiny Jewish State ) then your Un -American

 

[White 6]

havent seen any recent stories on the great accomplishments of their Air Force, just more waste.

Not ever better than your equipment paired against your opponents' equipment.

 

[Seymour Flops]

This is awesome news! And the plane came from Holland, too!

Yep. Sounds like Europe has got this one.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Not ever better than your equipment paired against your opponents' equipment.

Havent seen muchnout of the Ruskies either

 

[JohnDB]

Nobody has air superiority or dominance over Ukraine....

Which is why Putin's Soldiers have stalled out. (That and a lot of thick black mud on the ground)

The air defenses including man portable SAMs and MANPADS and other defensive rockets have kept Russian jets out of flying over Ukraine and bombing the stew out of them.

However,
Russian tech has similar equipment....so nobody is flying the unfriendly skies.

Now if Russian Radar was to get destroyed by a massive drone strike targeting suck things as radar and radio jamming equipment....Russian troops might need to duck for cover.

 

[luiza]

F16s are junk .
Written 9 months ago

The Ukrainian pilots, who already have some experience on other fighter jets, will get just a short introduction course - six to eight weeks or even less. They do not need to train air to air fights because the F-16 would lose any such fight against the newer and better armed Russian jets. They just need to learn the basics, starting, landing, going up to a certain height and launch point, release whatever long range weapon will be on board. Anything else would be suicide.

The big question is where to start and land from. The F-16 has a relative short combat range of some 500 kilometer and there will be no air to air tankers. There ain't that many airfield that are suitable for the fighter jet's missions.

Someone who seems competent explains the problem (edited):

The Ukrainian Air Force, to my knowledge, has had to use guerilla airfield tactics to keep the Russians guessing as to where they are operating from. This is to prevent Moscow from targeting the aircraft/impromptu airfield from drone attacks and air strikes, destroying stationary aircraft or the rendering the “runway” unusable. Soviet-built aircraft are sublimely suited to this.
For ex, the MiG-29 “Fulcrum” uses automatic Foreign Object Debris (FOD) covers that close for initial start up (vid). Meanwhile louvres located at the top of the wing-root open to provide alternate air intake to the jet engines. Upon take off, once the weight on wheels (WoW) switch in the nose gear detects it is off the ground, the louvers cycle closed and the FOD covers on the primary intake retract, allowing max airflow to the engines once the danger of FOD damage has passed. This ingenious design allows the Fulcrum to operate, not only from unimproved runways or even highways, but even from grass fields. The wing itself and the distance to the ground preventing small stones and debris from getting sucked into the delicate engines.
I cannot stress how dangerous and debilitating FOD is to aircraft. A single rock, bolt, nut, or minor road debris can have a cataclysmic effect on a modern high-performance jet engine. It may not even happen immediately, the damage could happen on take off, then progressively get worse during flight as the blades, now potentially bent or unbalanced begin to self-destruct the engine internals. Even if a MiG-29 happens to shell out an engine because of the careless placement of a bolt or tool by a mechanic or the ingestion of a bird during flight or take off, the MiG HAS TWO ENGINES which are isolated in separate bays, preventing the destruction of one engine from FOD-ing out the second.
The F-16, by contrast, is definitely not suited for this style of airfield. The bottom of the intake lip sits approximately 30” from the ground with no provision of alternate intake. In addition, all the suction flow of that air comes from the sides, fore, and ground since no air can be ingested from above the engine (that’s where the fuselage is). With no provision for FOD protection or alternate, high-mounted intakes during the entire time spent on the ground, this calls for rigid and inflexible FOD control measures from the location of engine start, to taxiing routes to the runway.
In the USAF, this meant hundreds of maintainers walking at arms-length intervals two to three times a day with eyes on the ground looking for any and every piece of debris that could be ingested by the multi-million dollar vacuum cleaner with only ONE engine we were charged with maintaining. In addition, an almost constant procession of street-cleaners rumbled up and down the flightline, taxiways and runway. Everything had to be spotless lest we risk the aircraft, or worse, the pilots.
Imagine the preparation it would take to complete this process on a 10,000 foot long straight highway, in the dark, while trying to be as inconspicuous as possible so as not to draw the attention of collaborators or Russian spies. You couldn’t hop from highway to highway or run from unimproved airfields like the Ukrainian Air Force can do with MiG-29s, you’d be handcuffed or at the very least less mobile. Imagine a disused Soviet airfield that suddenly had all its weeds plucked from the cracks in the concrete, concrete patched, the runway spotless. What signal does that send? “F-16s could, will, or are operating from here.”

There are several other issues discussed in the above thread. The maintenance philosophy behind U.S. and Russian build planes is different. The Russians just change factory parts and systems, U.S. maintainer try to repair them locally:

The MiG-29 averages about 11 hrs of maintenance for every ONE hr of flight. The F-16? A whopping increase to 18.5 maintenance hrs for every one hr of flight time. These are per aircraft with experienced crews. These figures also assume decent airframe hours on the aircraft.

The Ukraine will also need a sufficient number of competent maintainers. The training for them will likely take more time than for the pilots.

And so on . and so on .

Source , Moon of Alabama