Finally, a responsible GOP response to Obamacare

[SuperDemocrat]

No, Obamacare was a well intentioned response to a real problem. But, like LBJ, Obama's need for central control created problems in areas that weren't broken.

A "real" problem artificially created by liberal news media. I know that because ammo has gone up a lot yet cnn is strongly quiet on the issue. I guess there is no socialist ammo plan in the works so why would they.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The gop alternative doesn't force anyone to buy in..

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Actually it does. If it gives everyone a $2100 tax credit to buy health insurance, it's effectively going to tax anyone who doesn't want to buy insurance $2100.

 

[Freewill]

In my opinion none of this matters it will not reduce the rise in health care cost one penny. It hasn't so far why do we think anything will change that situation? If the coverage is made cheaper for one person then there is another having to pay the difference.

 

[The Rabbi]

No, Obamacare was a well intentioned response to a real problem. But, like LBJ, Obama's need for central control created problems in areas that weren't broken.

Obama's need for central control?

How about elaborating on that a bit.

You missed Dodd Frank and the takeover of the student loan business, in addition to ACA? As well as new edicts from the EPA that regulate every pothole with water in them?
The trouble with debating you is you are so far behind on the information curve you never get up to speed.

 

[LoneLaugher]

No, Obamacare was a well intentioned response to a real problem. But, like LBJ, Obama's need for central control created problems in areas that weren't broken.

Obama's need for central control?

How about elaborating on that a bit.

You missed Dodd Frank and the takeover of the student loan business, in addition to ACA? As well as new edicts from the EPA that regulate every pothole with water in them?
The trouble with debating you is you are so far behind on the information curve you never get up to speed.

Aren't you precious. You think you've been debating this whole time.

 

[FA_Q2]

I actually find it to be a very good plan. Except I strongly disagree with one particular part of the article.

The main flaw in Price's plan is the danger it poses to employer-provided coverage. He would let people with such coverage use their new tax credit to buy their own health insurance on the individual market. If young and healthy people find better bargains on that market, they might leave employer plans with only older and sicker insurance pools. Thus employer premiums could go up, or employer plans could go under.

That's not going to fly, and it shouldn't. The federal government shouldn't disrupt people's health-insurance arrangements so drastically. The solution is to restrict the tax credit, at least at first, so that it only goes to people who don't have access to employer coverage.

What? Bullshit. The credit should be available to everyone. If people can find better coverage outside employer plans, let them! What do you think happened before Obamacare? If the insurance company wants to keep people in the employer plans, they need to provide a product that is valuable to consumers on its own merits. Making the tax credit available to only people who don't have access to health insurance through their jobs 1) make it government alms as opposed to a public healthcare policy, and 2) reinforces the twisted and backwards notion that health insurance is supposed to be tied to your job. Nothing could be further from the truth, and the health insurance market would be more consumer friendly if this false association were finally broken. Not only that, but continuing that premise only serves to keep freedom in the market limited in an insurer friendly manner.

Truth.
Coverage should not be provided by your employer – it is one of the central problems that we have with healthcare today. The actual ‘consumer’ of healthcare is NOT the sick. They are not the ones actually paying for the care – the insurance company is. An insurance company that works for the employer and NOT you.
Essentially – you are not in the market at all. It is your employer, the insurance company and the doctor. I actually believe that employer care MUST be phased out intentionally – it needs to go so that the market returns.

 

[g5000]

No, Obamacare was a well intentioned response to a real problem. But, like LBJ, Obama's need for central control created problems in areas that weren't broken.

A "real" problem artificially created by liberal news media. I know that because ammo has gone up a lot yet cnn is strongly quiet on the issue. I guess there is no socialist ammo plan in the works so why would they.

Ammo has "gone up a lot" because of panic hoarding by rubes who bought into the OBAMAZ CUMMIN FER YER GUNZ malarkey.

 

[g5000]

No, Obamacare was a well intentioned response to a real problem. But, like LBJ, Obama's need for central control created problems in areas that weren't broken.

Obama's need for central control?

How about elaborating on that a bit.

Let's see now...How controlling is Obama's health plan, let me count the ways.

1) The federal government is making you buy health insurance. Sounds pretty controlling to me.

2) The federal government is making employers provide insurance to their employees. Sounds pretty controlling to me.

3) The federal government decides who can and cannot sell you insurance through an exchange. Sounds pretty controlling to me. It is also ripe for corruption. An insurance company better pay up some campaign cash or kiss their access to the exchanges goodbye. They better hire the right number of the right kind of people, or kiss their access to the exchanges goodbye.

4) The federal government is telling health insurance companies how much profit they are allowed to make. Sounds pretty controlling to me.

5) The federal government tells you what insurance you can and cannot buy. Sounds pretty controlling to me.

6) The federal government tells your employers what insurance they can and cannot provide to their employees. Sounds pretty controlling to me.

And you didn't notice any of that upon the enactment of ObamaCare? Just how willfully blind are you?

 

[LoneLaugher]

The insurance companies are not controlled. They are regulated. As they have always been regulated.

 

[LoneLaugher]

G5000. Your list is not honest. Which ones do you think are most dishonest?

 

[g5000]

The insurance companies are not controlled. They are regulated. As they have always been regulated.

Do you really need someone to provide you with a definition of "regulate"???

reg·u·late
ˈreɡyəˌlāt/

control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.


Don't pretend ObamaCare didn't place a whole new raft of controls on health care in America.

 

[g5000]

G5000. Your list is not honest. Which ones do you think are most dishonest?

Every one is true. None of those existed prior to ObamaCare.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The insurance companies are not controlled. They are regulated. As they have always been regulated.

Do you really need someone to provide you with a definition of "regulate"???

reg·u·late
ˈreɡyəˌlāt/

control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.


Don't pretend ObamaCare didn't place a whole new raft of controls on health care in America.

Sorry dude. Before Obamacare....I was regulated out of the opportunity to buy insurance by THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. Now...they are regulated into offering insurance to me. I buy it. Everyone wins.

For some reason, you felt the need to answer for Bendog. The word control is clear. His inference was that OBAMA HIMSELF wanted control. You know...like a dictator. The government regulating business is common in American culture. Control....not so much. Why overstate?

 

[LoneLaugher]

G5000. Your list is not honest. Which ones do you think are most dishonest?

Every one is true. None of those existed prior to ObamaCare.

Nope. You have played loose with the facts.

 

[g5000]

Ante ObamaCare: You could buy or not buy a product called "health insurance".
Post ObamaCare: You must buy health insurance.

Ante ObamaCare: If you bought health insurance, you could pick and choose what options you wanted.
Post ObamaCare: You must select a plan approved by Obama.

Ante ObamaCare: An employer could provide or not provide a health insurance benefit to their employees.
Post ObamaCare: An employer must provide health insurance to their employees.

Ante ObamaCare: If an employer provided health insurance, they could pick and choose the best plan which worked for their business model.
Post ObamaCare: An employer must provide insurance approved by Obama.

Ante ObamaCare: An insurance company would sometimes have a good year, and sometimes have a bad year of profits.
Post ObamaCare: If an insurance company has too god a year, Obama will take the "excess profits" and redistribute them.

Ante ObamaCare: A young, healthy person could buy insurance and pay a price commensurate with their physical condition.
Post ObamaCare: A young, healthy person must buy health insurance and pay a much higher rate so that high school dropouts can receive free health insurance.

 

[g5000]

G5000. Your list is not honest. Which ones do you think are most dishonest?

Every one is true. None of those existed prior to ObamaCare.

Nope. You have played loose with the facts.

And yet you cannot provide any evidence I did. Because it is all true.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Ante ObamaCare: You could buy or not buy a product called "health insurance".
Post ObamaCare: You must buy health insurance.

Ante ObamaCare: If you bought health insurance, you could pick and choose what options you wanted.
Post ObamaCare: You must select a plan approved by Obama.

Ante ObamaCare: An employer could provide or not provide a health insurance benefit to their employees.
Post ObamaCare: An employer must provide health insurance to their employees.

Ante ObamaCare: If an employer provided health insurance, they could pick and choose the best plan which worked for their business model.
Post ObamaCare: An employer must provide insurance approved by Obama.

Ante ObamaCare: An insurance company would sometimes have a good year, and sometimes have a bad year of profits.
Post ObamaCare: If an insurance company has too god a year, Obama will take the "excess profits" and redistribute them.

Ante ObamaCare: A young, healthy person could buy insurance and pay a price commensurate with their physical condition.
Post ObamaCare: A young, healthy person must buy health insurance and pay a much higher rate so that high school dropouts can receive free health insurance.

Nope. You are lying by omission. It's not effective.

 

[g5000]

Sorry dude. Before Obamacare....I was regulated out of the opportunity to buy insurance by THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.

A lot of people were priced out of the insurance market because prices were rising faster than inflation. Now, prices are still rising faster than inflation, but now you are forced to buy insurance whether you can afford it or not.

 

[g5000]

Ante ObamaCare: You could buy or not buy a product called "health insurance".
Post ObamaCare: You must buy health insurance.

Ante ObamaCare: If you bought health insurance, you could pick and choose what options you wanted.
Post ObamaCare: You must select a plan approved by Obama.

Ante ObamaCare: An employer could provide or not provide a health insurance benefit to their employees.
Post ObamaCare: An employer must provide health insurance to their employees.

Ante ObamaCare: If an employer provided health insurance, they could pick and choose the best plan which worked for their business model.
Post ObamaCare: An employer must provide insurance approved by Obama.

Ante ObamaCare: An insurance company would sometimes have a good year, and sometimes have a bad year of profits.
Post ObamaCare: If an insurance company has too god a year, Obama will take the "excess profits" and redistribute them.

Ante ObamaCare: A young, healthy person could buy insurance and pay a price commensurate with their physical condition.
Post ObamaCare: A young, healthy person must buy health insurance and pay a much higher rate so that high school dropouts can receive free health insurance.

Nope. You are lying by omission. It's not effective.

Again, you have not provided anything in the way of rebuttal.

As you said, "Aren't you precious. You think you've been debating this whole time."

 

[LoneLaugher]

G5000. Your list is not honest. Which ones do you think are most dishonest?

Every one is true. None of those existed prior to ObamaCare.

Nope. You have played loose with the facts.

And yet you cannot provide any evidence I did. Because it is all true.

Evidence? You haven't provided any evidence. You have submitted platitudes. All of those "controls" are not as simple as you suggest.