Fears of a Chinese attack on Taiwan are growing, and Taiwan isn't sure who would help if it happened

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Then China will nuke them. It's simple.

No they won't. Get a grip on reality.

 

[Silver Cat]

Hell, quite often his arguments are music videos and even it seems comic book covers.

And that they can evacuate 22 million people from one of the most populated cities on the planet... somehow. No idea how, or to where, or how to feed and shelter them, but they will be evacuated. At the same time they are evacuating all the other cities no less.

And the reason much of the country is lightly inhabited? Because a lot of it is pretty much uninhabitable. Barren desert, rough mountains, dense forests, is not like they are going to put people there.

Well, unless they decide to try the Pol-Pot method of population reduction that is.

And once again, going around claiming that China will nuke everybody that does not give them Taiwan. He really is demented, and not very stable mentally. And he does not even seem to realize that if China did that, it would lose. And likely be destroyed by a multinational coalition that would see them as a threat to the entire world.

Thankfully, I think China is a lot smarter than SC is.

There are a plenty of small towns and villages in the China. There are plenty of planes, trains, buses, cars, etc... There are a good organisation of civil defense and emergency management.

 

[Unkotare]

Then China will nuke them. It's simple.

Are you trying to be stupid?

 

[Unkotare]

There are a plenty of small towns and villages in the China. There are plenty of planes, trains, buses, cars, etc... There are a good organisation of civil defense and emergency management.

Ever been to China, stupid?

 

[Silver Cat]

No they won't. Get a grip on reality.

Why not? Japan don't have nukes, the USA don't have the Credible First Strike Capability now. They can be as provocative as they wish.

 

[Silver Cat]

Are you trying to be stupid?

No. I just want you to think about unthinkable.

 

[Unkotare]

....the USA don't [sic] have the Credible First Strike Capability now. .....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why not? Japan don't have nukes, the USA don't have the Credible First Strike Capability now. They can be as provocative as they wish.

Because they don't want to get nuked.

Fuck man, a child could puzzle that out. Are you being intentionally stupid to get attention?

 

[Silver Cat]

Ever been to China, stupid?

Are you banned in Google? Their new Emercom can evacuate people.

Authorities of the Chinese Сity of Zhengzhou Evacuate 200 Thousand People Due to Flooding

Authorities in the Chinese city of Zhengzhou (Henan province) have evacuated 200,000 people due to severe flooding, according to the city's propaganda department

www.oreanda.ru

 

[Unkotare]

Are you banned in Google? Their new Emercom can evacuate people.
...

you did not answer my question.

 

[Silver Cat]

You see - the Credible First Strike Capability is not about technical possibility to deliver some nukes into China's cities. It is more about the capability to accept their retaliation strike and alleviate consequences to the acceptable level.
The USA can't make really good counter force strike, the USA can't intercept incoming Chinese ICBMs, the USA can't alleviate consequences to the acceptable level.
BTW, what is 'acceptable level' of losses? What price the USA are really ready to pay to protect Taiwan or Japan?
Therefore (Chinamen think) the USA won't attack Chinese cities until China attacks American cities.

 

[Silver Cat]

you did not answer my question.

And you did not answer mine.

 

[Silver Cat]

Because they don't want to get nuked.

What if they believe that the USA won't nuke them (however provocative they are) because the USA don't want to get nuked, too?

Fuck man, a child could puzzle that out. Are you being intentionally stupid to get attention?

No. I just want to show, that the nuclear deterrence is a bit more sophisticated thing, that a simple consequence of the nuclear weapon existence.

 

[Unkotare]

This dimwit SC is just playing games with his ignorant imagination.

 

[Mac-7]

Then China will nuke them. It's simple.

If they do then lib’s fanatical fear of covid19 will cease

along with much of civilization

But even the crazy chinese are not that crazy

 

[Mac-7]

What if they believe that the USA won't nuke them (however provocative they are) because the USA don't want to get nuked, too?

No. I just want to show, that the nuclear deterrence is a bit more sophisticated thing, that a simple consequence of the nuclear weapon existence.

Are you chinese?

 

[Mushroom]

There are a plenty of small towns and villages in the China. There are plenty of planes, trains, buses, cars, etc... There are a good organisation of civil defense and emergency management.

And once again, a complete lack of a grasp of reality.

Once again, let's just take a single city. Beijing. And let's just assume that China is going to send them out on the largest passenger airline in the world. The Airbus A380.

Well, that will only take just under 26 thousand flights.

And I can promise you that there are not enough villages in the entire country to absorb over 22 million people. And that is just a single city.

This is the funniest thing. You have absolutely no grasp on reality, and get it shoved into your face repeatedly. Yet you still insist you are right and China has all the answers.

And is simple. Nuke Taiwan, nuke the US, nuke Japan, and the world will bow to them and give them whatever you want.

You are completely delusional.

 

[Mushroom]

You see - the Credible First Strike Capability is not about technical possibility to deliver some nukes into China's cities.

And you completely miss what the target would be.

The US would not bother with cities, they will go directly for the military and industrial centers.

Of course, the US would also not use nukes first, only in retaliation against itself or an ally with nukes. And do not be mistaken, Taiwan and Japan are both covered under what is known as the "US Nuclear Umbrella". Because that was essentially the agreement that President Reagan made with Taiwan in exchange for their cancelling their own nuclear weapon program. China does not even have to nuke the US. Nuke Taiwan or Japan, and they are going to have hell rain down upon them.

 

[Mushroom]

Are you banned in Google? Their new Emercom can evacuate people.

Authorities of the Chinese Сity of Zhengzhou Evacuate 200 Thousand People Due to Flooding

Authorities in the Chinese city of Zhengzhou (Henan province) have evacuated 200,000 people due to severe flooding, according to the city's propaganda department

www.oreanda.ru

Now multiple that over 100 times, and that is still only a single city.

Oh, and those evacuations took place over 20 days. How would it have gone if they had to evacuate sooner? Because I can guarantee, if they start to evacuate before they start their war, everybody will be moving to counter them before they even start it.

 

[Mushroom]

Japan don't have nukes, the USA don't have the Credible First Strike Capability now.

Japan does not need nukes. They are firmly under the "US Nuclear Umbrella". A nuke dropped on Japan will result in a nuclear retaliation by the US.

And the US does not have a "Credible First Strike Capability"? Well, because they would not strike first that is linguistically correct. But the counter-strike would be crippling.

Just in the Pacific, the US has 12 SSBN submarines and an additional 2 SSGN submarines.

All 12 of the SSBNs are Ohio class, with 24 Trident missiles each. That is 288 missiles for those that can not do math.

And that is just submarines. While "theoretically" the nuclear Tomahawk missiles are all retired, do not mistake that for they no longer exist. And if things started to heat up, it would only take a month or so to start putting them into service again. And the US is believed to have over 1,000 of them in storage.

And I have not even started to talk about the aircraft. Or land based missiles. That is just the submarines.

And you really think they have no strike capability?

And China has a whopping 6 SSBN subs. Each with a total of 12 single warhead missiles. Oh, and China also has no long range nuclear bombers that are of a threat to the US.