Famous Athiest now believes in God

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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...&u=/ap/20041209/ap_on_re_us/believing_atheist

    Interesting article. Interesting isnt it? after decades of unbelief he finally comes to the conclusion thats obvious to everyone who already believes. It took him over 50 years to discover through his own mind what some of discover in a second by kneeling in prayer and asking God for ourselves.

    I think the only problem he has now is believing in God is more than believing he exists. Believing in God is trusting Him. It takes a relationship to trust. Sadly he spent so much of his life in disbelief that he has such little time to develop a relationship if he even believes one is possible.
     
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    Believing in God or accepting that there is a creator are two different positions.

    As mentioned above, believing involves trusting. Most folks really don't believe in God, but just accept the existence of a creator.......sad and regrettable.

    Many aspects are in believing.........i.e.

    1. Grace = unmeritted favor.
    2. Forgiveness = obvious
    3. Surrender or Commitment
    4. Faith = Hope in that which hasn't come about or is untangible.

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    I'm not sure I'd call his new belief an Epiphany. He changed his mind about the origins of the universe. The article says he still doesn't believe in an afterlife, and I would doubt that he believes in Bhudda, or Allah, or Jesus Christ. It didn't sound to me like he found any "faith" at all.
     
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    They seem the same to me. Oh well.
     
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    God, at least the Christian God, has more characteristics attributed to Him than merely being the ultimate mind responsible for the creation of the universe. A creator has no such further characteristics. Indeed, any self-aware entity who had nothing more to do with this universe than setting up very precise conditions for the Big Bang such that the universe could then develop in the direction that it has developed in, on its own, would fully satisfy the definition of a creator. I doubt that such an entity would satisfy the definition of God. A main characteristic of God, IMHO would be to care about (or even know about) human existence and to interact with us in someway at some point. This is absent from a creator.
     
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    What you're describing is known as the intricate wachmaker notion of god. A hands off distant god, but a god. Sounds like a god. creator/god. same diff.
     
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    Perhaps. But would you not agree that a person who believes in a "watchmaker... hands-off distant god" has a VERY different belief system than that of a religion such as Christianity? Ultimately, I think that it would all depend in what is the minimum basket of attributes for an entity to have for you to identify him as a god, but a creator does not even need to be omnipotent or omniscient. Or eternal...
     
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    just a reminder !

    there r at least 2 kinds of atheists !

    one group is called - CTR. OF INQUIRE - i belonged to that group for 1 yr. - they are socialists !


    the other atheist group is called - AYN RAND - they are capitalists !

    i belong to that group !

    the only bitch i have with the rand group is they believe in abortion ! but i have to still support them because they are anti - communist !
     
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    It's a miracle!

    That must prove there is a god
     
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    So, if someone who used to be a believer becomes an atheist, that proves there is no god?
     

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