Fact about d day.....thousands of Americans died because

[Moonglow]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

Did you notice that thousands died because the Nazis were not going to play war nice?

 

[Moonglow]

and the left are shitting on their graves today with the open borders act they've created. Amazing, we keep letting the left control our country and destroy the memories of those who died to make it the great country it was.

Same enemy. Both D-day and today we are fighting against the left and their policies.

 

[Edgetho]

You seem to think everyone was playing games and sitting on their hands in between both world wars. We had reduced our military because some in DC felt WW1 had put an end to war. There were those that were convinced that every war would be fought trench ware fare. Look at the Maginot line as an example. Our tanks were no match for the Germans because some did not see the need for heavy armor.
In case you forgot we spent a portion of WW2 pretending that it was only over there and in no way affected us.

The Sherman was more than a match for the Panzer IV.

But while the Germans were trying to invent a better mouse trap, we produced Tens of THOUSANDS of Tanks.

Tanks can be fielded in two different ways, as Infantry Support or as Tank on Tank fighters.

The US at that time didn't really believe in tank on tank fights. We'd get them into a battle and then turn their Panthers and Tigers into scrap metal with our anti-tank guns and aircraft.

Meanwhile, our M4's were being used as bunker busters and for Infantry support. Infantry is what matters. Only the infantry can take and hold ground.

Had the Germans had proper Infantry support at Dunkirk, the Brits would have lost their entire Army. But they didn't. Their tanks out-ran their Infantry, which is a terrible mistake. They did the same thing at the Battle of the Bulge

I'm telling you, the Germans were highly over-rated. Maybe they could kick the snot out of their European neighbors but they were never even a threat to us one on one.

Once we got going, once we got wound up, we could have crushed the German War Machine into rubble at their strongest. It wouldn't even have been close.

And our Navy wasn't even really engaged with Germany to a large extent. Imagine another 20 Fleet Aircraft Carriers and 50 Escort Carriers laying off the coast of Europe.

And the Marines didn't even fight in the European theatre.

Hitler was stupid, even for a socialist

 

[Camp]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

I love con-servatives in 2019 who never served explainin' all about warfare in WWII....

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Mike Tyson had the best quote on planning

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"

 

[jc456]

and the left are shitting on their graves today with the open borders act they've created. Amazing, we keep letting the left control our country and destroy the memories of those who died to make it the great country it was.

Nice fantasy.

fact

Fix the asylum law then!!!!

 

[Flash]

[Q


Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

The US decided not to field a heavy tank in WWII. Instead they decided to combat enemy armor with artillery and air power and that proved successful. We inflicted heavy losses on German armor.

Our tanks were never designed to go tow to toe with German heavy tanks. Our tanks were designed to support infantry and they did a good job at that.

It takes a lot of logistics to keep a heavy tank operational. We chose not to go that route. The Germans never had more than 50% of their heavy tanks operational at one time. Sometimes it was as low as 20%.

We knew that we would have air superiority in the European campaign and knew that air power was going to be more effective than tank battles.

Good strategic decision.

 

[Flash]

The German "Atlantic Wall" only held for about four hours. Hitler was never going to stop an invasion from the West as long as he had most of his troops and equipment tied up in the East.

 

[Pilot1]

[Q


Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

The US decided not to field a heavy tank in WWII. Instead they decided to combat enemy armor with artillery and air power and that proved successful. We inflicted heavy losses on German armor.

Our tanks were never designed to go tow to toe with German heavy tanks. Our tanks were designed to support infantry and they did a good job at that.

It takes a lot of logistics to keep a heavy tank operational. We chose not to go that route. The Germans never had more than 50% of their heavy tanks operational at one time. Sometimes it was as low as 20%.

We knew that we would have air superiority in the European campaign and knew that air power was going to be more effective than tank battles.

Good strategic decision.

Sounds good on paper, so why did we incur the heavy losses? Also, sometimes planes couldn't fly due to weather. Think the Bulge.

The bottom line is we could have done BOTH. We had that industrial might to do it. We chose to use men as cannon fodder instead. The only reason the allies won is far more men to EXPEND, and for more equipment to EXPEND, and the fuel and logistics to supply both.

Looking back it was a poor decision to sacrifice so many lives unnecessarily. Yes, strategically we eventually won, but at what cost?

 

[BlindBoo]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

I love con-servatives in 2019 who never served explainin' all about warfare in WWII....

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

Same place that told him all the bombers missed all their targets that night and morning.

 

[Frannie]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

I love con-servatives in 2019 who never served explainin' all about warfare in WWII....

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

 

[deanrd]

Outright Nazis are running as Republicans, so don't worry about the Democratic left

What’s weird is that we have a republican president celebrating the defeat of Nazis overseas and yet Nazis are running for office in this country as Republicans. How can that be?

 

[deanrd]

Is it any wonder that Donald Trump was sitting with Laura Ingram in front of a graveyard filled with thousands of Americans who died defeating the Nazis and he spent nearly the entire time talking about himself. Talked about nervous Nancy. He said that Robert Mueller embarrassed himself by participating in this investigation.
I don’t understand how Republicans are OK with this.
But when I look at who ran in the midterms, I guess maybe I do understand.

 

[Frannie]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

Did you notice that thousands died because the Nazis were not going to play war nice?

The only thing alive on that beach when the Allies went in should have been the allies, and perhaps a vulture feeding on a kraut 7000 planes did nothing

 

[aaronleland]

You have to understand they didn't have the radar technology we have today. Turns out they bombed a hot dog stand in Hoboken instead.

 

[Maxdeath]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

At a TERRIBLY HIGH COST. It didn't have to be that way. Our troops were used as cannon fodder like the troops in WWI. We should have learned something over the years between the wars. Yes, we won IN SPITE of the awful tactics.

Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

You seem to think everyone was playing games and sitting on their hands in between both world wars. We had reduced our military because some in DC felt WW1 had put an end to war. There were those that were convinced that every war would be fought trench ware fare. Look at the Maginot line as an example. Our tanks were no match for the Germans because some did not see the need for heavy armor.
In case you forgot we spent a portion of WW2 pretending that it was only over there and in no way affected us.

I agree with you, then we had from December 7th 1941, to June 6th 1944 to come up with better equipment and tactics to combat what we KNEW we were facing. In fact we could have copied it like the Russians did. Why didn't we?

We had the largest, and best unaffected by war industrial might in the world, and kept using crap that we had at, or near the beginning of the war. Yes, our airplane technology advanced, but that wasn't used to our advantage during D Day.

We had to ramp up production from one tank a month if even that. We had to ramp up production of planes, bombs bullets, uniforms, battleships every part of war. We had men who had previously been in the factories and ship yards volunteering. Drafts men and others were leaving to fight. We could have held off until we had better equipment but would England and Russia have still been there?
We were fighting wars on three fronts basically. We were fighting in Africa and Italy. We were fighting in the pacific. With DDay we were fighting in Europe. We lost how many ships at Pearl Harbor. We were losing cargo ships almost daily in the Atlantic. Later we lost ships almost daily in the Pacific.
We were loosing planes by the dozen in a week. Just replacing them was a major undertaking.

Considering that how long should we have held off? How many English and Russians should have died? How many more should have died in concentration camps? The Germans were continually updateding. Are you even aware how long it takes to conceptualize, draft, change over production for a change to a different type of tank? Do we stop building ships to build more and better tanks? We were supplying Russia and England with war material. How do you train people to handle new weapons? Now think about training Russians and the English.

 

[jc456]

Outright Nazis are running as Republicans, so don't worry about the Democratic left

What’s weird is that we have a republican president celebrating the defeat of Nazis overseas and yet Nazis are running for office in this country as Republicans. How can that be?

which ones are against the 2nd amendment and loss of freedom of speech? enlighten the class.

 

[Frannie]

You have to understand they didn't have the radar technology we have today. Turns out they bombed a hot dog stand in Hoboken instead.

Very funny, but these beaches were scouted, the machine gun placements were known. A few Germans with well placed heavy guns did all the killing, this was the most pathetically planned military operation in history. Ten 500lb bombs would have cleared that beach 100 percent. 7000 planes were in the air doing what exactly

 

[Frannie]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

At a TERRIBLY HIGH COST. It didn't have to be that way. Our troops were used as cannon fodder like the troops in WWI. We should have learned something over the years between the wars. Yes, we won IN SPITE of the awful tactics.

Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

You seem to think everyone was playing games and sitting on their hands in between both world wars. We had reduced our military because some in DC felt WW1 had put an end to war. There were those that were convinced that every war would be fought trench ware fare. Look at the Maginot line as an example. Our tanks were no match for the Germans because some did not see the need for heavy armor.
In case you forgot we spent a portion of WW2 pretending that it was only over there and in no way affected us.

I agree with you, then we had from December 7th 1941, to June 6th 1944 to come up with better equipment and tactics to combat what we KNEW we were facing. In fact we could have copied it like the Russians did. Why didn't we?

We had the largest, and best unaffected by war industrial might in the world, and kept using crap that we had at, or near the beginning of the war. Yes, our airplane technology advanced, but that wasn't used to our advantage during D Day.

We had to ramp up production from one tank a month if even that. We had to ramp up production of planes, bombs bullets, uniforms, battleships every part of war. We had men who had previously been in the factories and ship yards volunteering. Drafts men and others were leaving to fight. We could have held off until we had better equipment but would England and Russia have still been there?
We were fighting wars on three fronts basically. We were fighting in Africa and Italy. We were fighting in the pacific. With DDay we were fighting in Europe. We lost how many ships at Pearl Harbor. We were losing cargo ships almost daily in the Atlantic. Later we lost ships almost daily in the Pacific.
We were loosing planes by the dozen in a week. Just replacing them was a major undertaking.

Considering that how long should we have held off? How many English and Russians should have died? How many more should have died in concentration camps? The Germans were continually updateding. Are you even aware how long it takes to conceptualize, draft, change over production for a change to a different type of tank? Do we stop building ships to build more and better tanks? We were supplying Russia and England with war material. How do you train people to handle new weapons? Now think about training Russians and the English.

7000 planes were in the air on d day that all missed the beach. The pilots flew high and in the clouds so they didn't get hurt letting thousands get chopped up

 

[Frannie]

Outright Nazis are running as Republicans, so don't worry about the Democratic left

What’s weird is that we have a republican president celebrating the defeat of Nazis overseas and yet Nazis are running for office in this country as Republicans. How can that be?

which ones are against the 2nd amendment and loss of freedom of speech? enlighten the class.

Ignore the idiot