Fact about d day.....thousands of Americans died because

[Edgetho]

It isn't just that the Wing Wipers missed their targets in the low-lying sand dunes near the Beach, they were supposed to CRATER the beaches so our Amphibious Troops would have somewhere to take cover when they landed.

And yeah, for our brainless dimocraps in here -- The bunkers were mostly ABOVE ground because they HAD to be.

dimocrap scum won't have a clue why they had to be so let me give them a hint -- Water Table.

They'll still scratch their heads and go back to watching Rachel Madcow reruns from their mommy's couch.

 

[BlindBoo]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

I was watching the tube as you said, the problem is that the German machine gun placements were known. No one had the brains to clear them

The bomber missing the targets on Omaha and Utah beaches made the task more difficult. So did losing most of the tanks for those beaches. But as I recall some ships moved in and started blasting the bunkers to give the men some cover and relief. It was a success. That wasn't the only fuck up the Allies had to overcome either.

 

[Maxdeath]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

I was watching the tube as you said, the problem is that the German machine gun placements were known. No one had the brains to clear them

You seem to think that hitting a target from a fast moving plane with a bomb while adrenaline is pumping, trying not to get shot down while having little to no actual field training is easy.
Funny that you somehow forget to mention that the walls of the bunkers were feet thick concrete. Some even covered in earth. It would take many hits in the same area to breach them. It is not like Star Wars where you just have to get one missle in a slot.
You think that machine guns were the only thing targeting the beaches. There were long range guns, there were anti aircraft guns and machine guns firing at planes.
The battleships that were there also shelled those beaches for a short time before the invasion. Those shells were two to three times what planes were using yet the bunkers withstood them.
Ships had trouble getting close because of mines, and underwater obstacles. Tanks had troubles on the beaches because of tank traps and obstacles.

 

[Pilot1]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

At a TERRIBLY HIGH COST. It didn't have to be that way. Our troops were used as cannon fodder like the troops in WWI. We should have learned something over the years between the wars. Yes, we won IN SPITE of the awful tactics.

Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

 

[Moonglow]

and the left are shitting on their graves today with the open borders act they've created. Amazing, we keep letting the left control our country and destroy the memories of those who died to make it the great country it was.

Robert E. Lee was the first to die on Omaha beach that day...

 

[gipper]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches... Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking? Who planned this Charlie Brown

The pilots flew above the clouds to avoid enemy ground fire … definitely a mistake.

War is not as neat and clean nor as precise as today's weapons would have us believe. In fact, we still have collateral damage and friendly fire incidents.

Some WW2 operations went terribly wrong. General Macarthur's island-hopping plan comes quickly to mind and Montgomery's approach also killed far more than necessary. Both, IMHO, were ego-driven.

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

Wrong. A good example of what I mean is how the US navy and air forces would bomb Japanese held islands often for days, before US troops landed. Only to find the Japanese had survived the bombings almost unscathed.

The German defenses were largely ABOVE ground. Not so with the Japanese.

Yes but if the question is why weren’t the shore defenses at Normandy destroyed prior to invasion, we know the answer. The allies wanted the Germans believing the invasion was to be elsewhere. So, they didn’t bomb those shore defenses.

At any rate, WWII aerial bombing was not that effective in destroying enemy forces. The US bombed NK and Vietnam ruthlessly and more consistently than they did Germany and Japan, but failed to win either war.

 

[gipper]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches... Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking? Who planned this Charlie Brown

The pilots flew above the clouds to avoid enemy ground fire … definitely a mistake.

War is not as neat and clean nor as precise as today's weapons would have us believe. In fact, we still have collateral damage and friendly fire incidents.

Some WW2 operations went terribly wrong. General Macarthur's island-hopping plan comes quickly to mind and Montgomery's approach also killed far more than necessary. Both, IMHO, were ego-driven.

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

Wrong. A good example of what I mean is how the US navy and air forces would bomb Japanese held islands often for days, before US troops landed. Only to find the Japanese had survived the bombings almost unscathed.

Actually the japs abandoned the beaches on Okinawa and hid in the hills

The hills were still bombed. And Okinawa was but one island of many, the US invaded.

 

[gipper]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches... Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking? Who planned this Charlie Brown

The pilots flew above the clouds to avoid enemy ground fire … definitely a mistake.

War is not as neat and clean nor as precise as today's weapons would have us believe. In fact, we still have collateral damage and friendly fire incidents.

Some WW2 operations went terribly wrong. General Macarthur's island-hopping plan comes quickly to mind and Montgomery's approach also killed far more than necessary. Both, IMHO, were ego-driven.

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

Wrong. A good example of what I mean is how the US navy and air forces would bomb Japanese held islands often for days, before US troops landed. Only to find the Japanese had survived the bombings almost unscathed.

It's called digging in...pillboxes...concrete bunkers.

That’s right. And the Germans built them very well.

 

[Maxdeath]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

At a TERRIBLY HIGH COST. It didn't have to be that way. Our troops were used as cannon fodder like the troops in WWI. We should have learned something over the years between the wars. Yes, we won IN SPITE of the awful tactics.

Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

You seem to think everyone was playing games and sitting on their hands in between both world wars. We had reduced our military because some in DC felt WW1 had put an end to war. There were those that were convinced that every war would be fought trench ware fare. Look at the Maginot line as an example. Our tanks were no match for the Germans because some did not see the need for heavy armor.
In case you forgot we spent a portion of WW2 pretending that it was only over there and in no way affected us.

 

[Edgetho]

There were more then a few points you seem to have missed.
First off we knew it had to be a fast attack. Get in and on the ground. Secure the beach. Germany would could and eventually did bring massive amounts of power against us.
There were millions involved in the invasion. Most untested. To expect those who had never been under fire to react with skill and daring is absolutely ludicrous.
We could not advertise in anyway our intentions. So even the beaches and objectives were kept to last minute.
It is easy to plan, easy to sit back and armchair quarterback. To actually put together such a force. Keeping objectives under wraps at the last minute. Working with essentially green troops. Keeping everything secret. Weather forecasting not being reliable. Weather playing a large part in the timing of the operation. Trying to take as much area as possible as quickly as possible. Against an area heavily defended and able to call up more tanks, troops as quickly as they could. The operation was a resounding success. They did not have guided munitions, body armor, cruise missiles or any of our more modern war equipment.

WWII was over when we landed on D-Day. Germany knew it, we knew it, the Italians knew it and so did everybody else.

Germany wasn't fighting to win by that time. They had absolutely no (ZERO) chance of that happening. None. And I mean NONE.

Germany was fighting to get better surrender terms from the Allies. The Generals knew the War was over in mid-1943. So did everybody else. Except the socialist Hitler.

The German fighting machine was good, but they weren't as good many think they were and, most importantly, they weren't as good as THEY thought they were. We (The USA) basically bitch-slapped them from one end of Europe to the other.

They were very over-rated. Bigly.

Their tanks weren't nearly as good as myths have them, their fighters weren't all that great (at all), they had no Heavy Bombers, their Navy was sunk before we even entered the war and they spent too much time and energy on bullshit projects that did them no good. The King Tiger was a complete waste of time. It spent far more time broke down than it did running. It was actually a liability in the field. Even the Panther was way, way over-rated. Big time.

The MG 42 was the absolute best Machine Gun of the War but the Mauser '98 was a dinosaur. A good weapon in WWI but in WWII, almost useless.

Some of the best weapons, believe it or not, were fielded by the Russians. The T-34 was the best tank (BY FAR) of the War.

It had a diesel engine (no, the Germans did NOT. A Myth) a 76.2mm Gun that would rock your world and a wonderful suspension. Nobody else even came close. It had a German engine, a British gun and an American suspension. And sloping armor.

So much of WWII is based in myths and legends. The truth is harder to find.

The average German soldier was well-trained, highly motivated and extremely well led. But they just didn't have the equipment like we did.

We were far more mechanized than they were. If you look at old pictures, you can see the Germans using horses in the field for artillery pieces, troop transports, ambulances, etc. We didn't. We didn't have to. German engineering is also highly over-rated. Our engineers were better in every aspect of the War. Still are. The Germans have excellent engineering but they have an ingrained tendency to over-engineer and over-build almost everything. Which wastes time and resources.

They never had a chance against us. It was almost laughable if it hadn't been so horrible

 

[Frannie]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

I was watching the tube as you said, the problem is that the German machine gun placements were known. No one had the brains to clear them

The bomber missing the targets on Omaha and Utah beaches made the task more difficult. So did losing most of the tanks for those beaches. But as I recall some ships moved in and started blasting the bunkers to give the men some cover and relief. It was a success. That wasn't the only fuck up the Allies had to overcome either.

I know that all 7000 planes were not clearing the beaches but if they all missed others should have completed the task. Or did they really miss and they never even aimed as the beaches were not supposed to be identified. Thus the sneak attack was actually a massacre

 

[Frannie]

There were more then a few points you seem to have missed.
First off we knew it had to be a fast attack. Get in and on the ground. Secure the beach. Germany would could and eventually did bring massive amounts of power against us.
There were millions involved in the invasion. Most untested. To expect those who had never been under fire to react with skill and daring is absolutely ludicrous.
We could not advertise in anyway our intentions. So even the beaches and objectives were kept to last minute.
It is easy to plan, easy to sit back and armchair quarterback. To actually put together such a force. Keeping objectives under wraps at the last minute. Working with essentially green troops. Keeping everything secret. Weather forecasting not being reliable. Weather playing a large part in the timing of the operation. Trying to take as much area as possible as quickly as possible. Against an area heavily defended and able to call up more tanks, troops as quickly as they could. The operation was a resounding success. They did not have guided munitions, body armor, cruise missiles or any of our more modern war equipment.

WWII was over when we landed on D-Day. Germany knew it, we knew it, the Italians knew it and so did everybody else.

Germany wasn't fighting to win by that time. They had absolutely no (ZERO) chance of that happening. None. And I mean NONE.

Germany was fighting to get better surrender terms from the Allies. The Generals knew the War was over in mid-1943. So did everybody else. Except the socialist Hitler.

The German fighting machine was good, but they weren't as good many think they were and, most importantly, they weren't as good as THEY thought they were. We (The USA) basically bitch-slapped them from one end of Europe to the other.

They were very over-rated. Bigly.

Their tanks weren't nearly as good as myths have them, their fighters weren't all that great (at all), they had no Heavy Bombers, their Navy was sunk before we even entered the war and they spent too much time and energy on bullshit projects that did them no good. The King Tiger was a complete waste of time. It spent far more time broke down than it did running. It was actually a liability in the field. Even the Panther was way, way over-rated. Big time.

The MG 42 was the absolute best Machine Gun of the War but the Mauser '98 was a dinosaur. A good weapon in WWI but in WWII, almost useless.

Some of the best weapons, believe it or not, were fielded by the Russians. The T-34 was the best tank (BY FAR) of the War.

It had a diesel engine (no, the Germans did NOT. A Myth) a 76.2mm Gun that would rock your world and a wonderful suspension. Nobody else even came close. It had a German engine, a British gun and an American suspension. And sloping armor.

So much of WWII is based in myths and legends. The truth is harder to find.

The average German soldier was well-trained, highly motivated and extremely well led. But they just didn't have the equipment like we did.

We were far more mechanized than they were. If you look at old pictures, you can see the Germans using horses in the field for artillery pieces, troop transports, ambulances, etc. We didn't. We didn't have to. German engineering is also highly over-rated. Our engineers were better in every aspect of the War. Still are. The Germans have excellent engineering but they have an ingrained tendency to over-engineer and over-build almost everything. Which wastes time and resources.

They never had a chance against us. It was almost laughable if it hadn't been so horrible

Japan didnt know the war was over

 

[BlindBoo]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

At a TERRIBLY HIGH COST. It didn't have to be that way. Our troops were used as cannon fodder like the troops in WWI. We should have learned something over the years between the wars. Yes, we won IN SPITE of the awful tactics.

Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

We celebrate what they accomplished, not how it could have been based on 75 years worth of second guessing.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

and the left are shitting on their graves today with the open borders act they've created. Amazing, we keep letting the left control our country and destroy the memories of those who died to make it the great country it was.

Same enemy. Both D-day and today we are fighting against the left and their policies.

 

[BlindBoo]

I know that all 7000 planes were not clearing the beaches

And you know this from where?

 

[Pilot1]

Nice to be able to be a Monday morning quarterback 75 years later.

It was a winning strategy even with all the tactical mistakes that were made.

At a TERRIBLY HIGH COST. It didn't have to be that way. Our troops were used as cannon fodder like the troops in WWI. We should have learned something over the years between the wars. Yes, we won IN SPITE of the awful tactics.

Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

You seem to think everyone was playing games and sitting on their hands in between both world wars. We had reduced our military because some in DC felt WW1 had put an end to war. There were those that were convinced that every war would be fought trench ware fare. Look at the Maginot line as an example. Our tanks were no match for the Germans because some did not see the need for heavy armor.
In case you forgot we spent a portion of WW2 pretending that it was only over there and in no way affected us.

I agree with you, then we had from December 7th 1941, to June 6th 1944 to come up with better equipment and tactics to combat what we KNEW we were facing. In fact we could have copied it like the Russians did. Why didn't we?

We had the largest, and best unaffected by war industrial might in the world, and kept using crap that we had at, or near the beginning of the war. Yes, our airplane technology advanced, but that wasn't used to our advantage during D Day.

 

[Geaux4it]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

Frannie would like you all to know she’s not all that impressed with a military operation of 156,000 troops, thousands of planes, ships, tanks etc in a fluid environment called war didn’t go off exactly as planned.

After all she planned finger sandwiches and lemonade for her book club once. And all the ladies thought it was wonderful.

The German machine gun placements were known, 7000 planes all missed

This is not even possible by chance. The troops went up small areas of beach that were not cleared.

Why

Because it had to be done so liberals could fuck up America years later. I'm sure these guys gave their lives so fags could marry and sick fucks could piss in girls restrooms

Sickining

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Powers to be were willing to accept 250,000 casualties.

50,000 it was

-Geaux

 

[Crepitus]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches... Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking? Who planned this Charlie Brown

The pilots flew above the clouds to avoid enemy ground fire … definitely a mistake.

War is not as neat and clean nor as precise as today's weapons would have us believe. In fact, we still have collateral damage and friendly fire incidents.

Some WW2 operations went terribly wrong. General Macarthur's island-hopping plan comes quickly to mind and Montgomery's approach also killed far more than necessary. Both, IMHO, were ego-driven.

There should not have been even a living bug on those few beaches where US troops landed. This was one of the biggest fuckups of all time. There were only dozens of German machine gun slots slaughtering boys. Wouldn't a thousand 500lb bombs have cleared the way

Casualties were actually considerably lighter than anticipated.

They were prepared to accept losses of up to 30,000.

 

[Edgetho]

Japan didnt know the war was over

They had been retreating for over three years steadily.

At what point do you think they figured out that they were defeated?

It was the same story. They were fighting to get better surrender terms. And, to a degree, they did.

We didn't hang Hirohito.

Even though we should have, it didn't seem to be worth the casualties at the time. I concur.

It wasn't so much that we were afraid of losing more men, the truth is......

We were getting sick from killing so many Japanese. They were willing to die, but we tired of the slaughter.