F-22 fails in Syria, pilots say

[K9Buck]

At night, Russian Su 30 and Su 35 planes suddenly appear near F-22, surprising the pilots. The pilots also complain of missing Link 16 communication and helmet visors. Also, the Stealth capability is fading away under the sun and sands.

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

It seems one has to register in order to read the entire article. Any chance you can copy/paste a paragraph here that would corroborate what you claim the article states?

You either have to register which they promise grants free access or take the content from here (German):
US-Piloten beklagen sich über „Unsichtbarkeit“ russischer Kampfjets

Ok. Thanks anyway.

 

[Bleipriester]

The F-22 is 20 years old and is quickly becoming outdated in the changing battlefield environment. we seriously need to get the bugs worked out of the F-35.

The F-22 entered service 12 years ago. It is not 20 years old.

Hopefully you read the article because the OP is out to lunch on what the article said.

My bad. I was Army and we didn't have anything like the F-22. Even though the F-22 is 12 years old, it's pretty hard to believe that a Russian Su30 or Su35 could get the best of it. Most Russian stuff is pretty much crap.

The OPs link actually talks about the F-22 identifying Russian and Syrian ground attack aircraft. The problem is the F-22 being tasked to do something it was not designed to do!

Taste the title:

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

You are lying about the content.

How about "Russian Fighters Point Out Flaws In F-22 - Upgrades Soon To Follow".

How else did we develop the most powerful military in the world? The advances we've made in military technology and battlefield medicine since 2001 alone, are staggering. Every adversary we have is either scrambling to keep up with what we have, or to incorporate in into their own military.

Despite some new stuff like guided Paladin rounds or that German XM25 (planned/cancelled: one per platoon), there is nothing new. This stuff, including aircraft, is very expensive and not affordable to be used on a large scale in case the US fights a developed military.

Also without our technology, you could re-commission your P-51:
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[westwall]

At night, Russian Su 30 and Su 35 planes suddenly appear near F-22, surprising the pilots. The pilots also complain of missing Link 16 communication and helmet visors. Also, the Stealth capability is fading away under the sun and sands.

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

Wow...they snuck up on the F-22 under cover of darkness. Sounds serious.

How about radar?

What about it? Your entire story is ridiculous.

 

[westwall]

The F-22 entered service 12 years ago. It is not 20 years old.

Hopefully you read the article because the OP is out to lunch on what the article said.

My bad. I was Army and we didn't have anything like the F-22. Even though the F-22 is 12 years old, it's pretty hard to believe that a Russian Su30 or Su35 could get the best of it. Most Russian stuff is pretty much crap.

The OPs link actually talks about the F-22 identifying Russian and Syrian ground attack aircraft. The problem is the F-22 being tasked to do something it was not designed to do!

Taste the title:

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

You are lying about the content.

How about "Russian Fighters Point Out Flaws In F-22 - Upgrades Soon To Follow".

How else did we develop the most powerful military in the world? The advances we've made in military technology and battlefield medicine since 2001 alone, are staggering. Every adversary we have is either scrambling to keep up with what we have, or to incorporate in into their own military.

Despite some new stuff like guided Paladin rounds or that German XM25 (planned/cancelled: one per platoon), there is nothing new. This stuff, including aircraft, is very expensive and not affordable to be used on a large scale in case the US fights a developed military.

Also without our technology, you could re-commission your P-51:
Militärische Triebwerke - MTU Aero Engines

I guess you forgot about these guys huh?

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[Bleipriester]

At night, Russian Su 30 and Su 35 planes suddenly appear near F-22, surprising the pilots. The pilots also complain of missing Link 16 communication and helmet visors. Also, the Stealth capability is fading away under the sun and sands.

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

Wow...they snuck up on the F-22 under cover of darkness. Sounds serious.

How about radar?

What about it? Your entire story is ridiculous.

Radar should work at night. The night thingy indicates that US pilots are trying to spot Russian jets with their eyes. The term "stealth fighter" gets a totally new meaning here.

 

[Bleipriester]

My bad. I was Army and we didn't have anything like the F-22. Even though the F-22 is 12 years old, it's pretty hard to believe that a Russian Su30 or Su35 could get the best of it. Most Russian stuff is pretty much crap.

The OPs link actually talks about the F-22 identifying Russian and Syrian ground attack aircraft. The problem is the F-22 being tasked to do something it was not designed to do!

Taste the title:

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

You are lying about the content.

How about "Russian Fighters Point Out Flaws In F-22 - Upgrades Soon To Follow".

How else did we develop the most powerful military in the world? The advances we've made in military technology and battlefield medicine since 2001 alone, are staggering. Every adversary we have is either scrambling to keep up with what we have, or to incorporate in into their own military.

Despite some new stuff like guided Paladin rounds or that German XM25 (planned/cancelled: one per platoon), there is nothing new. This stuff, including aircraft, is very expensive and not affordable to be used on a large scale in case the US fights a developed military.

Also without our technology, you could re-commission your P-51:
Militärische Triebwerke - MTU Aero Engines

I guess you forgot about these guys huh?

Home

Home | GE Aviation

Customers of MTU.

 

[westwall]

At night, Russian Su 30 and Su 35 planes suddenly appear near F-22, surprising the pilots. The pilots also complain of missing Link 16 communication and helmet visors. Also, the Stealth capability is fading away under the sun and sands.

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

Wow...they snuck up on the F-22 under cover of darkness. Sounds serious.

How about radar?

What about it? Your entire story is ridiculous.

Radar should work at night. The night thingy indicates that US pilots are trying to spot Russian jets with their eyes. The term "stealth fighter" gets a totally new meaning here.

F-22 has passive RAWR gear that gives range and bearing to any radar source trying to paint the F-22. Which results in the F-22 firing a missile right up the offenders ass. The offender never see's the F-22, and gets killed for being stupid enough to use active radar.

 

[westwall]

The OPs link actually talks about the F-22 identifying Russian and Syrian ground attack aircraft. The problem is the F-22 being tasked to do something it was not designed to do!

Taste the title:

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

You are lying about the content.

How about "Russian Fighters Point Out Flaws In F-22 - Upgrades Soon To Follow".

How else did we develop the most powerful military in the world? The advances we've made in military technology and battlefield medicine since 2001 alone, are staggering. Every adversary we have is either scrambling to keep up with what we have, or to incorporate in into their own military.

Despite some new stuff like guided Paladin rounds or that German XM25 (planned/cancelled: one per platoon), there is nothing new. This stuff, including aircraft, is very expensive and not affordable to be used on a large scale in case the US fights a developed military.

Also without our technology, you could re-commission your P-51:
Militärische Triebwerke - MTU Aero Engines

I guess you forgot about these guys huh?

Home

Home | GE Aviation

Customers of MTU.

And the opposite is true as well. Funny how that works. P&W and GE combined do more than ten times as much business as MTU does however.

 

[Bleipriester]

And the opposite is true as well.

No. MTU is supplier.

P&W and GE combined do more than ten times as much business as MTU does however.

Possible. It is because Germany is not interested in sovereignty and has only a few fighters fit for service. It is time for a change.

 

[Bleipriester]

At night, Russian Su 30 and Su 35 planes suddenly appear near F-22, surprising the pilots. The pilots also complain of missing Link 16 communication and helmet visors. Also, the Stealth capability is fading away under the sun and sands.

Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria

Wow...they snuck up on the F-22 under cover of darkness. Sounds serious.

How about radar?

What about it? Your entire story is ridiculous.

Radar should work at night. The night thingy indicates that US pilots are trying to spot Russian jets with their eyes. The term "stealth fighter" gets a totally new meaning here.

F-22 has passive RAWR gear that gives range and bearing to any radar source trying to paint the F-22. Which results in the F-22 firing a missile right up the offenders ass. The offender never see's the F-22, and gets killed for being stupid enough to use active radar.

The article says the opposite. The F-22 doesn´t notice the Russian Su 30/35. In an armed conflict, you´d have a real problem.

 

[westwall]

Wow...they snuck up on the F-22 under cover of darkness. Sounds serious.

How about radar?

What about it? Your entire story is ridiculous.

Radar should work at night. The night thingy indicates that US pilots are trying to spot Russian jets with their eyes. The term "stealth fighter" gets a totally new meaning here.

F-22 has passive RAWR gear that gives range and bearing to any radar source trying to paint the F-22. Which results in the F-22 firing a missile right up the offenders ass. The offender never see's the F-22, and gets killed for being stupid enough to use active radar.

The article says the opposite. The F-22 doesn´t notice the Russian Su 30/35. In an armed conflict, you´d have a real problem.

The article is bullpoo.

 

[Bleipriester]

How about radar?

What about it? Your entire story is ridiculous.

Radar should work at night. The night thingy indicates that US pilots are trying to spot Russian jets with their eyes. The term "stealth fighter" gets a totally new meaning here.

F-22 has passive RAWR gear that gives range and bearing to any radar source trying to paint the F-22. Which results in the F-22 firing a missile right up the offenders ass. The offender never see's the F-22, and gets killed for being stupid enough to use active radar.

The article says the opposite. The F-22 doesn´t notice the Russian Su 30/35. In an armed conflict, you´d have a real problem.

The article is bullpoo.

But the source is the US military.

 

[westwall]

What about it? Your entire story is ridiculous.

Radar should work at night. The night thingy indicates that US pilots are trying to spot Russian jets with their eyes. The term "stealth fighter" gets a totally new meaning here.

F-22 has passive RAWR gear that gives range and bearing to any radar source trying to paint the F-22. Which results in the F-22 firing a missile right up the offenders ass. The offender never see's the F-22, and gets killed for being stupid enough to use active radar.

The article says the opposite. The F-22 doesn´t notice the Russian Su 30/35. In an armed conflict, you´d have a real problem.

The article is bullpoo.

But the source is the US military.

No, it ain't. That is what is known as fake news. Look it up.

 

[Bleipriester]

Radar should work at night. The night thingy indicates that US pilots are trying to spot Russian jets with their eyes. The term "stealth fighter" gets a totally new meaning here.

F-22 has passive RAWR gear that gives range and bearing to any radar source trying to paint the F-22. Which results in the F-22 firing a missile right up the offenders ass. The offender never see's the F-22, and gets killed for being stupid enough to use active radar.

The article says the opposite. The F-22 doesn´t notice the Russian Su 30/35. In an armed conflict, you´d have a real problem.

The article is bullpoo.

But the source is the US military.

No, it ain't. That is what is known as fake news. Look it up.

Apparently, the site has no reason to spread such fake news. "Fake news" is the new form of denial. What doesn´t fit, is "fake news".

 

[westwall]

F-22 has passive RAWR gear that gives range and bearing to any radar source trying to paint the F-22. Which results in the F-22 firing a missile right up the offenders ass. The offender never see's the F-22, and gets killed for being stupid enough to use active radar.

The article says the opposite. The F-22 doesn´t notice the Russian Su 30/35. In an armed conflict, you´d have a real problem.

The article is bullpoo.

But the source is the US military.

No, it ain't. That is what is known as fake news. Look it up.

Apparently, the site has no reason to spread such fake news. "Fake news" is the new form of denial. What doesn´t fit, is "fake news".

Sure it does. ANY military person who released information such as that would be immediately imprisoned for life. Add to that the fact that it is fanciful at best, and yes it is totally fake news.

 

[Bleipriester]

The article says the opposite. The F-22 doesn´t notice the Russian Su 30/35. In an armed conflict, you´d have a real problem.

The article is bullpoo.

But the source is the US military.

No, it ain't. That is what is known as fake news. Look it up.

Apparently, the site has no reason to spread such fake news. "Fake news" is the new form of denial. What doesn´t fit, is "fake news".

Sure it does. ANY military person who released information such as that would be immediately imprisoned for life. Add to that the fact that it is fanciful at best, and yes it is totally fake news.

What should Aviation Weak´s reason be? Anti-Americanism? And why imprisoned?

 

[westwall]

The article is bullpoo.

But the source is the US military.

No, it ain't. That is what is known as fake news. Look it up.

Apparently, the site has no reason to spread such fake news. "Fake news" is the new form of denial. What doesn´t fit, is "fake news".

Sure it does. ANY military person who released information such as that would be immediately imprisoned for life. Add to that the fact that it is fanciful at best, and yes it is totally fake news.

What should Aviation Weak´s reason be? Anti-Americanism? And why imprisoned?

That would be Top Secret event, and the person leaking that info would be breaking all sorts of laws about keeping Secret info, secret. I get Aviation Week and I don't recall that article.

 

[Bleipriester]

But the source is the US military.

No, it ain't. That is what is known as fake news. Look it up.

Apparently, the site has no reason to spread such fake news. "Fake news" is the new form of denial. What doesn´t fit, is "fake news".

Sure it does. ANY military person who released information such as that would be immediately imprisoned for life. Add to that the fact that it is fanciful at best, and yes it is totally fake news.

What should Aviation Weak´s reason be? Anti-Americanism? And why imprisoned?

That would be Top Secret event, and the person leaking that info would be breaking all sorts of laws about keeping Secret info, secret. I get Aviation Week and I don't recall that article.

I don´t think so. Pointing out deficits is a necessity and the military is the source but not necessarily the leak.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The F-22 is 20 years old and is quickly becoming outdated in the changing battlefield environment. we seriously need to get the bugs worked out of the F-35.

The F-22 outperforms the F-35, and not by a little.

The F-22 is almost 15 years old and has some (by US standards) antiquated avionics. The Link 16 is recieve only. This is in the process of being corrected. The advantage of the F-35 is that it has the newest link that can both send and receive. The F-35 is more like the quarterback. IT's fully aware of everything around it and any other AC including the Gen 4 birds. It also connects with the Ground Instalation and Ships and can guide weapons fired by them well past the range of the ground or naval. The F-22 has a planned upgrade to correct it's problems. But until then, it can receive but not send the information. It relies on the Command Birds and F-35s to be it's eyes and ears. There is still no better Air to Air platform than a F-22 and it's getting better with the new mods.

 

[Bleipriester]

The F-22 is 20 years old and is quickly becoming outdated in the changing battlefield environment. we seriously need to get the bugs worked out of the F-35.

The F-22 outperforms the F-35, and not by a little.

The F-22 is almost 15 years old and has some (by US standards) antiquated avionics. The Link 16 is recieve only. This is in the process of being corrected. The advantage of the F-35 is that it has the newest link that can both send and receive. The F-35 is more like the quarterback. IT's fully aware of everything around it and any other AC including the Gen 4 birds. It also connects with the Ground Instalation and Ships and can guide weapons fired by them well past the range of the ground or naval. The F-22 has a planned upgrade to correct it's problems. But until then, it can receive but not send the information. It relies on the Command Birds and F-35s to be it's eyes and ears. There is still no better Air to Air platform than a F-22 and it's getting better with the new mods.

Air combat requires awareness of other jets.