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Air combat requires awareness of other jets.The F-22 is 20 years old and is quickly becoming outdated in the changing battlefield environment. we seriously need to get the bugs worked out of the F-35.
The F-22 outperforms the F-35, and not by a little.
The F-22 is almost 15 years old and has some (by US standards) antiquated avionics. The Link 16 is recieve only. This is in the process of being corrected. The advantage of the F-35 is that it has the newest link that can both send and receive. The F-35 is more like the quarterback. IT's fully aware of everything around it and any other AC including the Gen 4 birds. It also connects with the Ground Instalation and Ships and can guide weapons fired by them well past the range of the ground or naval. The F-22 has a planned upgrade to correct it's problems. But until then, it can receive but not send the information. It relies on the Command Birds and F-35s to be it's eyes and ears. There is still no better Air to Air platform than a F-22 and it's getting better with the new mods.
There is no US space in Syria.Air combat requires awareness of other jets.The F-22 is 20 years old and is quickly becoming outdated in the changing battlefield environment. we seriously need to get the bugs worked out of the F-35.
The F-22 outperforms the F-35, and not by a little.
The F-22 is almost 15 years old and has some (by US standards) antiquated avionics. The Link 16 is recieve only. This is in the process of being corrected. The advantage of the F-35 is that it has the newest link that can both send and receive. The F-35 is more like the quarterback. IT's fully aware of everything around it and any other AC including the Gen 4 birds. It also connects with the Ground Instalation and Ships and can guide weapons fired by them well past the range of the ground or naval. The F-22 has a planned upgrade to correct it's problems. But until then, it can receive but not send the information. It relies on the Command Birds and F-35s to be it's eyes and ears. There is still no better Air to Air platform than a F-22 and it's getting better with the new mods.
Well, Duh. I doubt seriously that any fighter snuck up on a F-22. The Russian and US Fighters are staying way away from each other. If a Russian Fighter were to enter into US Space then I imagine that they would be facing a whole passel of US Fighters ready to engage if need be. And that includes the F-15E that can more than hold it's own against a SU-35. You are reporting "Fake News". Take another look at your tag. It fits you well.
There is no US space in Syria.Air combat requires awareness of other jets.The F-22 is 20 years old and is quickly becoming outdated in the changing battlefield environment. we seriously need to get the bugs worked out of the F-35.
The F-22 outperforms the F-35, and not by a little.
The F-22 is almost 15 years old and has some (by US standards) antiquated avionics. The Link 16 is recieve only. This is in the process of being corrected. The advantage of the F-35 is that it has the newest link that can both send and receive. The F-35 is more like the quarterback. IT's fully aware of everything around it and any other AC including the Gen 4 birds. It also connects with the Ground Instalation and Ships and can guide weapons fired by them well past the range of the ground or naval. The F-22 has a planned upgrade to correct it's problems. But until then, it can receive but not send the information. It relies on the Command Birds and F-35s to be it's eyes and ears. There is still no better Air to Air platform than a F-22 and it's getting better with the new mods.
Well, Duh. I doubt seriously that any fighter snuck up on a F-22. The Russian and US Fighters are staying way away from each other. If a Russian Fighter were to enter into US Space then I imagine that they would be facing a whole passel of US Fighters ready to engage if need be. And that includes the F-15E that can more than hold it's own against a SU-35. You are reporting "Fake News". Take another look at your tag. It fits you well.
The problem is that the article says something else.There is no US space in Syria.Air combat requires awareness of other jets.The F-22 outperforms the F-35, and not by a little.
The F-22 is almost 15 years old and has some (by US standards) antiquated avionics. The Link 16 is recieve only. This is in the process of being corrected. The advantage of the F-35 is that it has the newest link that can both send and receive. The F-35 is more like the quarterback. IT's fully aware of everything around it and any other AC including the Gen 4 birds. It also connects with the Ground Instalation and Ships and can guide weapons fired by them well past the range of the ground or naval. The F-22 has a planned upgrade to correct it's problems. But until then, it can receive but not send the information. It relies on the Command Birds and F-35s to be it's eyes and ears. There is still no better Air to Air platform than a F-22 and it's getting better with the new mods.
Well, Duh. I doubt seriously that any fighter snuck up on a F-22. The Russian and US Fighters are staying way away from each other. If a Russian Fighter were to enter into US Space then I imagine that they would be facing a whole passel of US Fighters ready to engage if need be. And that includes the F-15E that can more than hold it's own against a SU-35. You are reporting "Fake News". Take another look at your tag. It fits you well.
They call it Deescalation Areas. This was setup to prevent Green on Green encounters by the US, Russia and Turkey. So far, there has only been one intrusion where a Russian Attack Plane attacked friendly forces in the US area. It was promptly shot down.
The problem is that the article says something else.There is no US space in Syria.Air combat requires awareness of other jets.The F-22 is almost 15 years old and has some (by US standards) antiquated avionics. The Link 16 is recieve only. This is in the process of being corrected. The advantage of the F-35 is that it has the newest link that can both send and receive. The F-35 is more like the quarterback. IT's fully aware of everything around it and any other AC including the Gen 4 birds. It also connects with the Ground Instalation and Ships and can guide weapons fired by them well past the range of the ground or naval. The F-22 has a planned upgrade to correct it's problems. But until then, it can receive but not send the information. It relies on the Command Birds and F-35s to be it's eyes and ears. There is still no better Air to Air platform than a F-22 and it's getting better with the new mods.
Well, Duh. I doubt seriously that any fighter snuck up on a F-22. The Russian and US Fighters are staying way away from each other. If a Russian Fighter were to enter into US Space then I imagine that they would be facing a whole passel of US Fighters ready to engage if need be. And that includes the F-15E that can more than hold it's own against a SU-35. You are reporting "Fake News". Take another look at your tag. It fits you well.
They call it Deescalation Areas. This was setup to prevent Green on Green encounters by the US, Russia and Turkey. So far, there has only been one intrusion where a Russian Attack Plane attacked friendly forces in the US area. It was promptly shot down.
You must sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.There is no US space in Syria.Air combat requires awareness of other jets.
Well, Duh. I doubt seriously that any fighter snuck up on a F-22. The Russian and US Fighters are staying way away from each other. If a Russian Fighter were to enter into US Space then I imagine that they would be facing a whole passel of US Fighters ready to engage if need be. And that includes the F-15E that can more than hold it's own against a SU-35. You are reporting "Fake News". Take another look at your tag. It fits you well.
They call it Deescalation Areas. This was setup to prevent Green on Green encounters by the US, Russia and Turkey. So far, there has only been one intrusion where a Russian Attack Plane attacked friendly forces in the US area. It was promptly shot down.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
You mist sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.There is no US space in Syria.Well, Duh. I doubt seriously that any fighter snuck up on a F-22. The Russian and US Fighters are staying way away from each other. If a Russian Fighter were to enter into US Space then I imagine that they would be facing a whole passel of US Fighters ready to engage if need be. And that includes the F-15E that can more than hold it's own against a SU-35. You are reporting "Fake News". Take another look at your tag. It fits you well.
They call it Deescalation Areas. This was setup to prevent Green on Green encounters by the US, Russia and Turkey. So far, there has only been one intrusion where a Russian Attack Plane attacked friendly forces in the US area. It was promptly shot down.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.There is no US space in Syria.
They call it Deescalation Areas. This was setup to prevent Green on Green encounters by the US, Russia and Turkey. So far, there has only been one intrusion where a Russian Attack Plane attacked friendly forces in the US area. It was promptly shot down.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.They call it Deescalation Areas. This was setup to prevent Green on Green encounters by the US, Russia and Turkey. So far, there has only been one intrusion where a Russian Attack Plane attacked friendly forces in the US area. It was promptly shot down.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.They call it Deescalation Areas. This was setup to prevent Green on Green encounters by the US, Russia and Turkey. So far, there has only been one intrusion where a Russian Attack Plane attacked friendly forces in the US area. It was promptly shot down.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
"..., said his pilots see unexpected, potentially threatening movement from Russian fighters flying over Iraq and Syria with growing regularity.The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The article does NOT say that.
The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The article does NOT say that.
This one?The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The SU ANYTHING
"..., said his pilots see unexpected, potentially threatening movement from Russian fighters flying over Iraq and Syria with growing regularity.The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The article does NOT say that.
Potentially threatening aircraft are often close enough to see visually, but the busy airspace makes identifying their type and allegiance a challenge, Ox said."
This one?The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The SU ANYTHING
Taste the title:The F-22 is 20 years old and is quickly becoming outdated in the changing battlefield environment. we seriously need to get the bugs worked out of the F-35.
The F-22 entered service 12 years ago. It is not 20 years old.
Hopefully you read the article because the OP is out to lunch on what the article said.
My bad. I was Army and we didn't have anything like the F-22. Even though the F-22 is 12 years old, it's pretty hard to believe that a Russian Su30 or Su35 could get the best of it. Most Russian stuff is pretty much crap.
The OPs link actually talks about the F-22 identifying Russian and Syrian ground attack aircraft. The problem is the F-22 being tasked to do something it was not designed to do!
Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria
You are lying about the content.
You must sign up. But the title is enough:The problem is that the article says something else.There is no US space in Syria.Well, Duh. I doubt seriously that any fighter snuck up on a F-22. The Russian and US Fighters are staying way away from each other. If a Russian Fighter were to enter into US Space then I imagine that they would be facing a whole passel of US Fighters ready to engage if need be. And that includes the F-15E that can more than hold it's own against a SU-35. You are reporting "Fake News". Take another look at your tag. It fits you well.
They call it Deescalation Areas. This was setup to prevent Green on Green encounters by the US, Russia and Turkey. So far, there has only been one intrusion where a Russian Attack Plane attacked friendly forces in the US area. It was promptly shot down.
And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
This one?The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:And exactly what does it say? We need a good cite on this one. Not a single paragraph taken from another article. It's fun time. It's Fact Check time.
BTW, the F-22 sees the SU just fine. It just can't automatically relay that information without using voice on the radio. The F-22 predates Link 16 and only receives and not relays. The F-35 has link 16 built in to send and relay. The F-15, F-16 and F-18 uses an external pod. The F-22 does not get snuck up on and the entire article goes into the Link 16 on the F-22. It doesn't say a thing about a SU mysteriously showing up on the F-22. The Link 16 has grown into a great system. But the F-22 was built with it was only thought for the F-22 to receive and not send. That is being addressed at this time. There is a new Software package that is being readied for the F-22 to put it on the same page.
Now, let's get the fact check done. Give a complete site. You know, one where none of us have to "Read Between the Lines".
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The SU ANYTHING
Your supremacy talk is getting boring. Your pilot needed three attacks to shot down that old Syria plane. You have actually not a single source that could prove any US supremacy in air combat. Sure, you will come up with Israeli fairy tales. But fairy tales of lossless battles remain fairy tales."..., said his pilots see unexpected, potentially threatening movement from Russian fighters flying over Iraq and Syria with growing regularity.The problem is that the F-22 get surprised. How is that possible?You mist sign up. But the title is enough:
"Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria"
I have read the article, bullwinkle. And it just means the Russians are doing what they always do even in Alaska. This is a cat and mouse game and has been going on since the 1950s for both sides. The start to enter, we respond in kind. Both sides stare each other waiting for the other blink. And then the bird that is being intrusive heads back into it's own area. Nothing new here. Nothing to see, nothing to report.
Just a bit of information from Experience. I was onboard a C-130D that just came off the Cap. This was before the Nav Sats were available. When you enter into the Caps, your instrumentation gets all squirrely. You have to come out of it, check your position and then get back on your side of the line. Temporary, we had a Mig-25 escort. He flew in, stated that we were going to do a complete 180 and exit the airspace. He stayed on our wingtip (slightly trailing) until F-4s out of Elmendorf got there and he peeled off and went home. He was not courteous and just stated the facts. Of course, his finger was hovering over the launch button at the time.
The article does NOT say that.
Potentially threatening aircraft are often close enough to see visually, but the busy airspace makes identifying their type and allegiance a challenge, Ox said."
If both AC are operating close to each other's deescalation point (you do know that they actually touch) then I am pretty sure a visual might happen. The F-22 has been watching him all along. He tells his buddies about it over the radio and the Comrade Pilot knows he's toast if he tries anything hinky.
See post #51Taste the title:The F-22 is 20 years old and is quickly becoming outdated in the changing battlefield environment. we seriously need to get the bugs worked out of the F-35.
The F-22 entered service 12 years ago. It is not 20 years old.
Hopefully you read the article because the OP is out to lunch on what the article said.
My bad. I was Army and we didn't have anything like the F-22. Even though the F-22 is 12 years old, it's pretty hard to believe that a Russian Su30 or Su35 could get the best of it. Most Russian stuff is pretty much crap.
The OPs link actually talks about the F-22 identifying Russian and Syrian ground attack aircraft. The problem is the F-22 being tasked to do something it was not designed to do!
Russian Fighters Test U.S. Boundaries In Skies Over Syria
You are lying about the content.
Then quote the content.
