Europe needs to reaffirm its identity.

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For all the talk of amnesty in the United States today, no one—Jewish, Christian, or Muslim—should win citizenship or even residency if they do not uphold the supremacy of the constitution above all else in daily, communal life. Spiritualism, morals, and values can be an individual choice, but not something that should be imposed on others. Free speech should be paramount, whether Islamists like it or not. Most Americans—religious or otherwise—understand that, but European society as a whole has been rudderless and, as Tom Wilson notes, “is losing its soul.”

The contributions of European civilization to society have been rich, indeed, disproportionately so. There is much for which Europeans should be proud. Let us hope that the European response to the Charlie Hebdo shooting will be retrenchment on the importance of free expression rather than self-censorship. Europeans should recognize that the dark clouds of fascism or totalitarianism accompany censorship. Perhaps it might be time for every newspaper and every website in Europe to replicate the cartoons and essays in the latest Charlie Hebdo edition in order to declare forthright that Islamists and terrorists cannot silence Europe.

Likewise, it is long past time for Europeans to declare for what they stand. Enough with fictional designs on Euro notes. Let each note be a monument to real cathedrals, castles, and monuments. If a conservative and intolerant Muslim (these are not synonymous) in Europe wants to buy bread, let him or her hand over a five or ten euro note sporting an image of Notre Dame or an image of the Battle of Tours.

Europe should be diverse, tolerant, and multi-confessional. If migrants want to live in Europe—and if European society wishes to have them—then they should come for Europe’s freedom, and not simply for its welfare. If they will not accept European freedoms and liberalism, then they should seek to make their lives in societies which mirror their own value systems. If Europe does not understand that there can be no compromise on basic values, then today’s attack is a harbinger of more tragedy to come.

Europe Needs to Reaffirm Its Identity - Commentary Magazine Commentary Magazine
 
France[edit]
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.[22] In 2012, the Constitutional Council of France ruled that to extend the Gayssot Act to the Armenian Genocide denial was unconstitutional because it violated the freedom of speech.[23]

Laws against Holocaust denial - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
 
For all the talk of amnesty in the United States today, no one—Jewish, Christian, or Muslim—should win citizenship or even residency if they do not uphold the supremacy of the constitution above all else in daily, communal life. Spiritualism, morals, and values can be an individual choice, but not something that should be imposed on others. Free speech should be paramount, whether Islamists like it or not. Most Americans—religious or otherwise—understand that, but European society as a whole has been rudderless and, as Tom Wilson notes, “is losing its soul.”

The contributions of European civilization to society have been rich, indeed, disproportionately so. There is much for which Europeans should be proud. Let us hope that the European response to the Charlie Hebdo shooting will be retrenchment on the importance of free expression rather than self-censorship. Europeans should recognize that the dark clouds of fascism or totalitarianism accompany censorship. Perhaps it might be time for every newspaper and every website in Europe to replicate the cartoons and essays in the latest Charlie Hebdo edition in order to declare forthright that Islamists and terrorists cannot silence Europe.

Likewise, it is long past time for Europeans to declare for what they stand. Enough with fictional designs on Euro notes. Let each note be a monument to real cathedrals, castles, and monuments. If a conservative and intolerant Muslim (these are not synonymous) in Europe wants to buy bread, let him or her hand over a five or ten euro note sporting an image of Notre Dame or an image of the Battle of Tours.

Europe should be diverse, tolerant, and multi-confessional. If migrants want to live in Europe—and if European society wishes to have them—then they should come for Europe’s freedom, and not simply for its welfare. If they will not accept European freedoms and liberalism, then they should seek to make their lives in societies which mirror their own value systems. If Europe does not understand that there can be no compromise on basic values, then today’s attack is a harbinger of more tragedy to come.

Europe Needs to Reaffirm Its Identity - Commentary Magazine Commentary Magazine


Good article.

I have to add though - the French have been braver then we were about free speech. Charlie Hebdo continued publishing - even after threats and firebombing. Sony got hacked by NK and pulled it's movie (though it changed it's mind later under pressure).

Free speech and a free independent media should not never give in to terrorism or despots.
 
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For all the talk of amnesty in the United States today, no one—Jewish, Christian, or Muslim—should win citizenship or even residency if they do not uphold the supremacy of the constitution above all else in daily, communal life. Spiritualism, morals, and values can be an individual choice, but not something that should be imposed on others. Free speech should be paramount, whether Islamists like it or not. Most Americans—religious or otherwise—understand that, but European society as a whole has been rudderless and, as Tom Wilson notes, “is losing its soul.”

The contributions of European civilization to society have been rich, indeed, disproportionately so. There is much for which Europeans should be proud. Let us hope that the European response to the Charlie Hebdo shooting will be retrenchment on the importance of free expression rather than self-censorship. Europeans should recognize that the dark clouds of fascism or totalitarianism accompany censorship. Perhaps it might be time for every newspaper and every website in Europe to replicate the cartoons and essays in the latest Charlie Hebdo edition in order to declare forthright that Islamists and terrorists cannot silence Europe.

Likewise, it is long past time for Europeans to declare for what they stand. Enough with fictional designs on Euro notes. Let each note be a monument to real cathedrals, castles, and monuments. If a conservative and intolerant Muslim (these are not synonymous) in Europe wants to buy bread, let him or her hand over a five or ten euro note sporting an image of Notre Dame or an image of the Battle of Tours.

Europe should be diverse, tolerant, and multi-confessional. If migrants want to live in Europe—and if European society wishes to have them—then they should come for Europe’s freedom, and not simply for its welfare. If they will not accept European freedoms and liberalism, then they should seek to make their lives in societies which mirror their own value systems. If Europe does not understand that there can be no compromise on basic values, then today’s attack is a harbinger of more tragedy to come.

Europe Needs to Reaffirm Its Identity - Commentary Magazine Commentary Magazine


Good article.

I have to add though - the French have been braver then we were about free speech. Charlie Hebdo continued publishing - even after threats and firebombing. Sony got hacked by NK and pulled it's movie (though it changed it's mind later under pressure).

Free speech and a free independent media should not never give in to terrorism or despots.
 
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For all the talk of amnesty in the United States today, no one—Jewish, Christian, or Muslim—should win citizenship or even residency if they do not uphold the supremacy of the constitution above all else in daily, communal life. Spiritualism, morals, and values can be an individual choice, but not something that should be imposed on others. Free speech should be paramount, whether Islamists like it or not. Most Americans—religious or otherwise—understand that, but European society as a whole has been rudderless and, as Tom Wilson notes, “is losing its soul.”

The contributions of European civilization to society have been rich, indeed, disproportionately so. There is much for which Europeans should be proud. Let us hope that the European response to the Charlie Hebdo shooting will be retrenchment on the importance of free expression rather than self-censorship. Europeans should recognize that the dark clouds of fascism or totalitarianism accompany censorship. Perhaps it might be time for every newspaper and every website in Europe to replicate the cartoons and essays in the latest Charlie Hebdo edition in order to declare forthright that Islamists and terrorists cannot silence Europe.

Likewise, it is long past time for Europeans to declare for what they stand. Enough with fictional designs on Euro notes. Let each note be a monument to real cathedrals, castles, and monuments. If a conservative and intolerant Muslim (these are not synonymous) in Europe wants to buy bread, let him or her hand over a five or ten euro note sporting an image of Notre Dame or an image of the Battle of Tours.

Europe should be diverse, tolerant, and multi-confessional. If migrants want to live in Europe—and if European society wishes to have them—then they should come for Europe’s freedom, and not simply for its welfare. If they will not accept European freedoms and liberalism, then they should seek to make their lives in societies which mirror their own value systems. If Europe does not understand that there can be no compromise on basic values, then today’s attack is a harbinger of more tragedy to come.

Europe Needs to Reaffirm Its Identity - Commentary Magazine Commentary Magazine


Good article.

I have to add though - the French have been braver then we were about free speech. Charlie Hebdo continued publishing - even after threats and firebombing. Sony got hacked by NK and pulled it's movie (though it changed it's mind later under pressure).

Free speech and a free independent media should not never give in to terrorism or despots.


I know what he means. America tolerates free speech, freedom to worship etc. But loyalty to the state comes first. Not so in Europe.

And separation of church and state is also a good thing.
 
For all the talk of amnesty in the United States today, no one—Jewish, Christian, or Muslim—should win citizenship or even residency if they do not uphold the supremacy of the constitution above all else in daily, communal life. Spiritualism, morals, and values can be an individual choice, but not something that should be imposed on others. Free speech should be paramount, whether Islamists like it or not. Most Americans—religious or otherwise—understand that, but European society as a whole has been rudderless and, as Tom Wilson notes, “is losing its soul.”

The contributions of European civilization to society have been rich, indeed, disproportionately so. There is much for which Europeans should be proud. Let us hope that the European response to the Charlie Hebdo shooting will be retrenchment on the importance of free expression rather than self-censorship. Europeans should recognize that the dark clouds of fascism or totalitarianism accompany censorship. Perhaps it might be time for every newspaper and every website in Europe to replicate the cartoons and essays in the latest Charlie Hebdo edition in order to declare forthright that Islamists and terrorists cannot silence Europe.

Likewise, it is long past time for Europeans to declare for what they stand. Enough with fictional designs on Euro notes. Let each note be a monument to real cathedrals, castles, and monuments. If a conservative and intolerant Muslim (these are not synonymous) in Europe wants to buy bread, let him or her hand over a five or ten euro note sporting an image of Notre Dame or an image of the Battle of Tours.

Europe should be diverse, tolerant, and multi-confessional. If migrants want to live in Europe—and if European society wishes to have them—then they should come for Europe’s freedom, and not simply for its welfare. If they will not accept European freedoms and liberalism, then they should seek to make their lives in societies which mirror their own value systems. If Europe does not understand that there can be no compromise on basic values, then today’s attack is a harbinger of more tragedy to come.

Europe Needs to Reaffirm Its Identity - Commentary Magazine Commentary Magazine


Good article.

I have to add though - the French have been braver then we were about free speech. Charlie Hebdo continued publishing - even after threats and firebombing. Sony got hacked by NK and pulled it's movie (though it changed it's mind later under pressure).

Free speech and a free independent media should not never give in to terrorism or despots.


I know what he means. America tolerates free speech, freedom to worship etc. But loyalty to the state comes first. Not so in Europe.

I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean that we all Americans first, and other things second? I think that is the case in parts of Europe as well. UK public opinion polls indicate that the majority of UK Muslims for instance, consider themselves "British" first.

And separation of church and state is also a good thing.

Absolutely. I do not think you can have a fair and just system without that.
 
France[edit]
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.[22] In 2012, the Constitutional Council of France ruled that to extend the Gayssot Act to the Armenian Genocide denial was unconstitutional because it violated the freedom of speech.[23]

Laws against Holocaust denial - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France suffered extensively because of the crimes of the
islamo Nazi pigs in the 1930s and 40s and also
supported the Nuremburg trials. Frence rejection of the credo of the islamo Nazi pigs is logical-----the Armenian
genocide has nothing to do with France. It is true that it
was a manifestation of the filth of islamo Nazism------but it
did not touch France and at this time ---Turkish islamo Nazi pigs are not a danger in France nor was France involved
in a prosecution of the Turks for their murder of Armenians
circa 1915.
 
Did it ever have one?
Ask that of the dead soldiers who died defending its identity in WW1 and WW2
Ask that of the many many thousands of Muslim soldiers who fought and died side by side with the allies to defend Europe's freedom and identity. Your answer is straight from the playbook of your hero, the ex BNP leader and nazi anti-Semite Nick Griffin.
 
Did it ever have one?
Ask that of the dead soldiers who died defending its identity in WW1 and WW2
Ask that of the many many thousands of Muslim soldiers who fought and died side by side with the allies to defend Europe's freedom and identity. Your answer is straight from the playbook of your hero, the ex BNP leader and nazi anti-Semite Nick Griffin.

Stalking the forum again,looking for someone to troll?

You'll get a reputation for not being too bright about it, having pissed off a number of people already.

Oh I forgot, that's your endgame. You dense clown.
 
Did it ever have one?
Ask that of the dead soldiers who died defending its identity in WW1 and WW2
Ask that of the many many thousands of Muslim soldiers who fought and died side by side with the allies to defend Europe's freedom and identity. Your answer is straight from the playbook of your hero, the ex BNP leader and nazi anti-Semite Nick Griffin.

Stalking the forum again,looking for someone to troll?

You'll get a reputation for not being too bright about it, having pissed off a number of people already.

Oh I forgot, that's your endgame. You dense clown.
No denial, just Mindless insult. Typical of your ilk.
 
Did it ever have one?
Ask that of the dead soldiers who died defending its identity in WW1 and WW2
Ask that of the many many thousands of Muslim soldiers who fought and died side by side with the allies to defend Europe's freedom and identity. Your answer is straight from the playbook of your hero, the ex BNP leader and nazi anti-Semite Nick Griffin.

Stalking the forum again,looking for someone to troll?

You'll get a reputation for not being too bright about it, having pissed off a number of people already.

Oh I forgot, that's your endgame. You dense clown.
No denial, just Mindless insult. Typical of your ilk.

Cowardly derailer of threads. This isn't the flame zone, if you had but noticed.
 
You posed a rather inept question, I then answer it. I agree the answer does make your question look a bit stupid ,but why blame me for your own ignorance.
ps mod wannabe, until you gain your lifetime ambition stop trying to emulate them, its a tad embarrassing.
 
France[edit]
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.[22] In 2012, the Constitutional Council of France ruled that to extend the Gayssot Act to the Armenian Genocide denial was unconstitutional because it violated the freedom of speech.[23]

Laws against Holocaust denial - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France suffered extensively because of the crimes of the
islamo Nazi pigs in the 1930s and 40s and also
supported the Nuremburg trials. Frence rejection of the credo of the islamo Nazi pigs is logical-----the Armenian
genocide has nothing to do with France. It is true that it
was a manifestation of the filth of islamo Nazism------but it
did not touch France and at this time ---Turkish islamo Nazi pigs are not a danger in France nor was France involved
in a prosecution of the Turks for their murder of Armenians
circa 1915.
The Muslims who fought for Britain in the first world war World news The Guardian
 
France[edit]
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.[22] In 2012, the Constitutional Council of France ruled that to extend the Gayssot Act to the Armenian Genocide denial was unconstitutional because it violated the freedom of speech.[23]

Laws against Holocaust denial - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France suffered extensively because of the crimes of the
islamo Nazi pigs in the 1930s and 40s and also
supported the Nuremburg trials. Frence rejection of the credo of the islamo Nazi pigs is logical-----the Armenian
genocide has nothing to do with France. It is true that it
was a manifestation of the filth of islamo Nazism------but it
did not touch France and at this time ---Turkish islamo Nazi pigs are not a danger in France nor was France involved
in a prosecution of the Turks for their murder of Armenians
circa 1915.
The Muslims who fought for Britain in the first world war World news The Guardian

Idiot article------the article clearly states that twice as many hindus as muslims from the Indian subcontinent fought with
The British army during world war I.------a whole lot of Sikhs too? So? in de old days---they only way to "COME UP IN THE WORLD" for any poor kid over there was thru military
service. Put things into perspective----jerk. Joining up at that time for any of them -----whether hindu,, muslim, or Sikh-----was SELF SERVING-------not even close to a
"CONTRIBUTION"---------the article reeks of islamo Nazi
shit propaganda.
 

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