Europe needs to reaffirm its identity.

[Vikrant]

Did it ever have one?

Up until recently, Europeans were killing each other on massive scale. It is hard to form an identity under such circumstances.

actually, Vik------wars sometimes create identity. They create
"nationalism"

She is talking about unified European identity. That was not possible because less than 100 years ago, they were busy killing each other. Those nations that fought each other ended up re-enforcing their respective national identities while weakening the European identity.

 

[irosie91]

Did it ever have one?

Up until recently, Europeans were killing each other on massive scale. It is hard to form an identity under such circumstances.

actually, Vik------wars sometimes create identity. They create
"nationalism"

She is talking about unified European identity. That was not possible because less than 100 years ago, they were busy killing each other. Those nations that fought each other ended up re-enforcing their respective national identities while weakening the European identity.

there was never a "European" identity------the European Union idea is-----innovative

 

[Mindful]

Did it ever have one?

Up until recently, Europeans were killing each other on massive scale. It is hard to form an identity under such circumstances.

actually, Vik------wars sometimes create identity. They create
"nationalism"

She is talking about unified European identity. That was not possible because less than 100 years ago, they were busy killing each other. Those nations that fought each other ended up re-enforcing their respective national identities while weakening the European identity.

there was never a "European" identity------the European Union idea is-----innovative

It's a German French show. From the first notion of it as outlined in Vaincre Magazine, circa 1940's.

 

[irosie91]

Did it ever have one?

Up until recently, Europeans were killing each other on massive scale. It is hard to form an identity under such circumstances.

actually, Vik------wars sometimes create identity. They create
"nationalism"

She is talking about unified European identity. That was not possible because less than 100 years ago, they were busy killing each other. Those nations that fought each other ended up re-enforcing their respective national identities while weakening the European identity.

there was never a "European" identity------the European Union idea is-----innovative

It's a German French show. From the first notion of it as outlined in Vaincre Magazine, circa 1940's.

really? I am a bit surprised. -------

 

[Mindful]

How European dream is dying state by state

 

[Steinlight]

There is no such thing as a "European" Identity. Any attempts to create such a thing are artificial and will fail.

 

[indiajo]

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I know what he means. America tolerates free speech, freedom to worship etc. But loyalty to the state comes first. Not so in Europe.

And separation of church and state is also a good thing.

Wait until you have 5% muslims. Then we talk again.

 

[indiajo]

There is no such thing as a "European" Identity. Any attempts to create such a thing are artificial and will fail.

That is basically correct. It is like a big family, who discovers that they don't like each other every time they meet on Christmas.
One of them from time to tome is o.k., but the whole bunch together is a nightmare.

 

[Bleipriester]

For all the talk of amnesty in the United States today, no one—Jewish, Christian, or Muslim—should win citizenship or even residency if they do not uphold the supremacy of the constitution above all else in daily, communal life. Spiritualism, morals, and values can be an individual choice, but not something that should be imposed on others. Free speech should be paramount, whether Islamists like it or not. Most Americans—religious or otherwise—understand that, but European society as a whole has been rudderless and, as Tom Wilson notes, “is losing its soul.”

The contributions of European civilization to society have been rich, indeed, disproportionately so. There is much for which Europeans should be proud. Let us hope that the European response to the Charlie Hebdo shooting will be retrenchment on the importance of free expression rather than self-censorship. Europeans should recognize that the dark clouds of fascism or totalitarianism accompany censorship. Perhaps it might be time for every newspaper and every website in Europe to replicate the cartoons and essays in the latest Charlie Hebdo edition in order to declare forthright that Islamists and terrorists cannot silence Europe.

Likewise, it is long past time for Europeans to declare for what they stand. Enough with fictional designs on Euro notes. Let each note be a monument to real cathedrals, castles, and monuments. If a conservative and intolerant Muslim (these are not synonymous) in Europe wants to buy bread, let him or her hand over a five or ten euro note sporting an image of Notre Dame or an image of the Battle of Tours.

Europe should be diverse, tolerant, and multi-confessional. If migrants want to live in Europe—and if European society wishes to have them—then they should come for Europe’s freedom, and not simply for its welfare. If they will not accept European freedoms and liberalism, then they should seek to make their lives in societies which mirror their own value systems. If Europe does not understand that there can be no compromise on basic values, then today’s attack is a harbinger of more tragedy to come.

Europe Needs to Reaffirm Its Identity - Commentary Magazine Commentary Magazine

It's not applying. Free speech is being undermined where representatives of politics, medias and churches cheer each new mosque and cover up the criminal nature of the low IQ immigrants that they impose on us. If their is a Muslim community, why not let them have their mosque but when mosques with names of ottoman conquerors grow everywhere, something goes wrong.
You say, lets protect tolerance from those intolerant but here you will be the intolerant with that argument.