Europe and Revisionist History

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Annie, Jan 25, 2005.

  1. Annie
    Offline

    Annie Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    50,847
    Thanks Received:
    4,644
    Trophy Points:
    1,790
    Ratings:
    +4,770
    Steyn:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...2.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/01/25/ixportal.html

     
  2. onedomino
    Offline

    onedomino SCE to AUX

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2004
    Messages:
    2,677
    Thanks Received:
    474
    Trophy Points:
    98
    Ratings:
    +476
    -
    When she was 18 years old, Elwira Bauer wrote a children's book entitled "Trust No Fox on his Green Heath And No Jew on his Oath." In 1936, the book was published by Julius Streicher, who was hanged at Nuremberg in 1946. From the book:

    The Führer’s Youth

    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/fuchs.htm

    "The boys who are true Germans
    To Hitler’s Youth belong.
    They want to live for their Führer,
    Their eyes are fixed on the future.
    Bigger and stronger they have become.
    The German Heritage is theirs.
    The great and sacred Fatherland
    Stands today as it ever stood.
    From this picture may be seen,
    Hitler Youth in splendid mien,
    From smallest to the biggest boy.
    All are husky, tough and strong.
    They love their German Führer
    And God in Heaven they fear.
    But the Jews they must despise!
    They’re not like these boys,
    So Jews must just give way!

    In far-off South is the country
    Which cradled Jewish ancestry.
    Let them go back there with wife and child
    As quickly as they came! —
    What a disgusting picture
    Is shown by these Jews, so dirty and wild:
    Abraham, Solomon,
    Blumenfeld, Berinson,
    Rebecca with little Jonathan,
    Then Simon and also Aaron Kahn.
    How they roll their eyes
    As they march along."


    If Germans last a million years longer than the death of the Third Reich, they should never forget one second of what happened during the period 1933-45.

    By the way, didn't Harry look delightful in his Wehrmacht uniform?
    -
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  3. Annie
    Offline

    Annie Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    50,847
    Thanks Received:
    4,644
    Trophy Points:
    1,790
    Ratings:
    +4,770
    onedomino, that was so illustrative of what is still going on in Europe, every day. This really belongs with the thread on anti-semitism. Excellent find.
     
  4. onedomino
    Offline

    onedomino SCE to AUX

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2004
    Messages:
    2,677
    Thanks Received:
    474
    Trophy Points:
    98
    Ratings:
    +476
    -
    -
     
  5. nosarcasm
    Offline

    nosarcasm Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    931
    Thanks Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Location:
    Idaho
    Ratings:
    +68
    Daniel Goldhagen hates Germans. His oppinions are ridicilous, I saw
    him in one of his book discussions when it came out.

    While there will be always a level of anti semitism, it seems no
    different then here in Idaho or in California.

    While I lived in Germany I never knowingly met a Jew. When the right
    wing kids talk about the Jews are the problem you can just wonder.
    How can they be the problem when you never even met one.

    But anti semitism is replaced with a dislike of foreigner that look different.
    Unfortunatly it seems to be the human instinct to distrust people that
    are different. The Us is definitly more tolerant in that area. Still there
    is a movement to get rid of the Mexican illegal immigrants.

    Having lived in several countries this racist nationalism that often
    accompanies anti-semtism and other forms of race hatred is ridicilous.
    They have no argument just hate.


    Germans (if I may generalize here) in general are sick hearing of the holocaust. The government is very sensitive about the Jewish community and
    it is your political death warrant when you speak out against them.

    In general the younger generations feel that it is wrong to blame them for
    the deeds of the grandparents. The idea of the Taetervolk is also rejected.
    Germany is these days one of the most liberal countries on earth and the
    anti-war movement has 70% support. So it is irritating to some
    to be judged only by 1933-1945. Because things have changed alot
    and the great majority is not anti semitic.

    I understand that it is a sensitive topic for survivors of the holocaust and
    their friends and family. They fear the revival of the fascism and
    they wantto be able to blame all Germans for the misery they endured.

    Fair enough imo, but also I understand the disconnect by many Germans
    that feel they did not contribute to the holocaust and reject the responsibility.

    I frankly was very shocked when I first learned about the holocaust
    in 5th grade. My grandparents where watching out over me and
    my grandpa and I were pretty close. HE used to tell me alot of
    stories about the war but I never had heard anything about the
    fate of the Jews or the Nazi dictatorship.

    So I confronted them and asked them how they could that let happen.
    In my mind I was shocked that it could happen where I live.

    My grandpa said that he felt he could not stop the prosecutions of
    Jews. He had Jewish business partners that had fled the country.

    Both my grandparents claimed that they did not know about the
    concentrations/death camps and when I asked them why
    they never mentioned any of this to me they stated embaressment (Scham)
    as the the reason.

    I asked them, how could you not know that evil was going on.

    In his answer my grandpa told me a story about his visit to the state
    capital where he saw a man that got thrown
    outside the 3rd level of a house while the police was standing
    there watching. Thats why he said he felt that nothing could
    be done to save Jews.

    Not being a party member brought him the privilege to be drafted first
    into the army.

    All this rambling is just so you know some Germans do care about the
    past.

    Also not liking being called a perpetrator of the holocaust does not
    mean this 62% do deny the holocaust or think it was not evil.

    The real anti-semites I met deny the holocaust and think Hitler
    was a great man. Given the history I never understood how
    they got to that conclusion.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  6. onedomino
    Offline

    onedomino SCE to AUX

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2004
    Messages:
    2,677
    Thanks Received:
    474
    Trophy Points:
    98
    Ratings:
    +476
    -
    -
     
  7. Avatar4321
    Offline

    Avatar4321 Diamond Member Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    70,576
    Thanks Received:
    8,171
    Trophy Points:
    2,070
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Ratings:
    +12,220
    We must never forget what happened hear. When we forget we are doomed to repeat it. Sad thing is I think we will repeat it and WW2 will look like a walk on the beach compared.
     
  8. dilloduck
    Offline

    dilloduck Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    53,240
    Thanks Received:
    5,552
    Trophy Points:
    1,850
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Ratings:
    +6,403

    Agreed but the "hows" and the "whys" seem to get lost in the horror of the event itself. Unfortunately, I fear that most people today wouldn't be able to recognize the start of another holocaust until it's too late. Dafur, for example.
    HOLOCAUST DOES NOT ONLY PERTAIN TO RELIGION OR RACE !
     
  9. theim
    Offline

    theim Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    Messages:
    1,628
    Thanks Received:
    234
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Madison, WI
    Ratings:
    +234
    Now come on guys. Germans and Europeans were not to blame for the holocaust. It was Hitler. He had that Hypno-Coin he bought at the department store. The whole continent was helpless.
     
  10. Annie
    Offline

    Annie Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    50,847
    Thanks Received:
    4,644
    Trophy Points:
    1,790
    Ratings:
    +4,770
    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050128/wl_nm/sudan_darfur_dc_7

    Don't you worry, since Koffi is 'deeply concerned' I'm sure they will get together to pass another resolution, as soon as the UN saves those ravaged by the Tsunamis and oh yea, the UN gets the Iraqi vote finished. :rolleyes:
     

Share This Page