Eugene Robinson sobs over us having guns

[OODA_Loop]

See told ya. Punish the law abiding. Defend the criminal.

 

[OODA_Loop]

The notion that our problem is that we aren't punishing them criminals enough is sort of silly. We are punishing them plenty, and we still have the highest crime rate in the INdustrialized world.

Horseshit really.

We are soft on criminals due to liberal protections and watering down of the justice system.

A man used to answer for the wicked he'd done.

 

[Sarah G]

Will we even pretend to do anything to prevent the next mass shooting by a crazed loner? I doubt it. We'll just add Aurora to the growing list -- Columbine, Virginia Tech, Tucson -- and wait for the inevitable.

When that next atrocity comes, we'll tell each other we're shocked and stunned, knowing full well we should be neither. We'll probe the assailant's life in search of a motive, knowing full well we won't find one that makes any sense. We'll comfort the survivors and the victims' families and assure them their suffering will not be in vain.



Meanwhile, somewhere out there, another disturbed young man will be purchasing an assault rifle and making unspeakable plans.

I can only conclude that we, as a society, have decided this state of affairs is acceptable, that the occasional murderous rampage is the price we pay for ... for what? For freedom? For the Second Amendment? For campaign contributions from the National Rifle Association?

Forgive me if I sound cynical. I'm afraid I am. Five years ago, I arrived on the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, Va., just hours after student Seung Hui Cho's murderous rampage left 33 dead, including himself. I will never forget what it felt like -- the stunned disbelief, the white-hot anger, the unbearable sadness of so many young lives being extinguished for no reason, no higher purpose. No purpose at all.

I was there as a journalist, so I interviewed witnesses and survivors, took notes, wrote columns. But I was hardly an objective observer because I'm a father who has sent two sons off to college.

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I don't own a gun and never have.

But this is disgusting.

We kill 180,000 people a year because of cigarettes and 19,000 people die because of drunk drivers.

Robins uses the deaths of youth in Colorado for one purpose, to stick his finger in the eye of the right.

I would not want anyone to shoot Eugene. Instead, I'd like the them to beat him black and blue with the stock (oops sorry...only blue).

I owe you a neg, cretin.

 

[JoeB131]

The notion that our problem is that we aren't punishing them criminals enough is sort of silly. We are punishing them plenty, and we still have the highest crime rate in the INdustrialized world.

Horseshit really.

We are soft on criminals due to liberal protections and watering down of the justice system.

A man used to answer for the wicked he'd done.

Then how is it that Germany locks up only 78,000 people compared to our 2 million people, and they have lower murder rates, lower rates of rape, lower rates of car theft, lower rates of assault?

How it is that Germany can have a lower crime rate, when they haven't executed anyone since 1951? (East Germany, of course, is another story, they abolished the DP in 1981.)

Quite the contrary, we are putting people in prison for stuff we shouldn't put people in prison with. And when you put the pot smoker in the same cell with the murderer, you get a more vicious person than when you started.

But the Prison-Industrial Complex makes a fortune by keeping dumb people like you afraid.

 

[Listening]

This thread is about Robinson's willingness to use tragedy for political purposes.

You can argue all you want about gun control. But choosing a high emotion time to make your case is simply slimey.

And Robinson has always been a slimeball.

 

[ClosedCaption]

no not really, because liberals want to ban stuff that causes death....which is pretty much everything is a potential weapon....
Sorry guys you cant child proof the world, you just have to make examples out of people and dont be nice about, really make it harsh and crime is reduced...because gun laws were more lenient pre 60s and not as many people died, but that's the whole culture of death and that morality stuff, liberals are moral superiority, but they HATE HATE personal morality and do anything to reduce it.

Does anyone take this guy seriously?

Yeah, glad you highlighted it, since that's the truth, chlorine causes cancer

Chlorinated Pools May Increase Cancer Risk : Discovery News

so there goes a cheap way to keep the pools clean, so we need to find a better way, my ass, it's another "Study" which just makes things more expensive or outright intends to get rid of some "evil" and this costs the little guy, since public pools need something better and more expensive!

I could go on and on of leftwingers wanting to ban stuff, see this is how the left works:
The work is too preliminary to suggest that people should stop swimming, said Manolis Kogevinas, an epidemiologist at the Center for Research in Environmental Epidemiology in Barcelona. The studies were small, and they found a rise in blood markers that have been associated with cancer -- not a rise in cancer itself.
Still, Kogevinas said, the findings suggest that people need to work harder to reduce everyone's exposure to chlorine.

More liberal "Science"
Science: What Is Destroying the Ozone? - TIME

New Scientific Evidence Proves Ozone Depletion Theory False


So now we just cant use anything
Ban warns on replacing ozone-depleting gases with greenhouse substitutes

Does anyone take this guy seriously? Now he's crying about swimming pools using chlorine, they havent stopped using it but he figured he would get in the fetal position early and whine about poor poor chlorine. Boo-hoo! "Liberal Science"

What a grade A dumbass. Stamped and Approved!

 

[eflatminor]

Does anyone really think that gun control laws will stop this....

Well....look at England

Okay, let's look at England. From another post:

After England banned guns in 1997, their rate of crime increased. According to the British Home Office and reported by BBC, street robberies were up 28% by 2001, violent crime up 11%, murders up 4%, and rape up 14%. The trend continued in 2004 with a 10% increase in street crime, 8% increase in muggings, and a 22% increase in robberies.

I'm beginning to think criminals don't obey the rules. Sup' with that?

Well, at least they got rid of all those evil handguns, right? Nope. According to a King's College study, handguns were used in 3,685 British offenses in 2000 compared with 2,648 in 1997, an increase of 40%.

Bummer.

So what's happening lately in the UK, now void of private gun ownership? According to a 2009 joint report of the European Commission and United Nations, the UK has the highest rate of violent crime in Europe...higher than the United States! And, they have the second highest overall crime rate in the EU. Then there's this gem: by 2007, firearms used in crimes doubled...fricken doubled!

But America's gun grabbing nanny staters know what's best...THEIR plan for more gun laws will surely do the trick.

Does England have the same kind of whacked out movies and TV programs we have ?

Yes, they do. I lived there for 5 years.

 

[JoeB131]

This thread is about Robinson's willingness to use tragedy for political purposes.

You can argue all you want about gun control. But choosing a high emotion time to make your case is simply slimey.

And Robinson has always been a slimeball.

I'm sorry, if there's ever a time to actually have a discussion about whether guns should be freely available to crazy people, it's after a crazy person goes out and shoots a bunch of people with a gun he never should have been able to get.

 

[JoeB131]

Does anyone really think that gun control laws will stop this....

Well....look at England

Okay, let's look at England. From another post:

After England banned guns in 1997, their rate of crime increased. According to the British Home Office and reported by BBC, street robberies were up 28% by 2001, violent crime up 11%, murders up 4%, and rape up 14%. The trend continued in 2004 with a 10% increase in street crime, 8% increase in muggings, and a 22% increase in robberies.

I'm beginning to think criminals don't obey the rules. Sup' with that?

Well, at least they got rid of all those evil handguns, right? Nope. According to a King's College study, handguns were used in 3,685 British offenses in 2000 compared with 2,648 in 1997, an increase of 40%.

Bummer.

So what's happening lately in the UK, now void of private gun ownership? According to a 2009 joint report of the European Commission and United Nations, the UK has the highest rate of violent crime in Europe...higher than the United States! And, they have the second highest overall crime rate in the EU. Then there's this gem: by 2007, firearms used in crimes doubled...fricken doubled!

But America's gun grabbing nanny staters know what's best...THEIR plan for more gun laws will surely do the trick.

?

Actually, this is utter horseshit...

NationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United States

Murders committed by youths
UK - 139
US - 8,226

Murders with firearms
UK- 14
US- 9,369

Car thefts
UK -348,169
US -1,246,096

 

[eflatminor]

Does anyone really think that gun control laws will stop this....

Well....look at England

Okay, let's look at England. From another post:

After England banned guns in 1997, their rate of crime increased. According to the British Home Office and reported by BBC, street robberies were up 28% by 2001, violent crime up 11%, murders up 4%, and rape up 14%. The trend continued in 2004 with a 10% increase in street crime, 8% increase in muggings, and a 22% increase in robberies.

I'm beginning to think criminals don't obey the rules. Sup' with that?

Well, at least they got rid of all those evil handguns, right? Nope. According to a King's College study, handguns were used in 3,685 British offenses in 2000 compared with 2,648 in 1997, an increase of 40%.

Bummer.

So what's happening lately in the UK, now void of private gun ownership? According to a 2009 joint report of the European Commission and United Nations, the UK has the highest rate of violent crime in Europe...higher than the United States! And, they have the second highest overall crime rate in the EU. Then there's this gem: by 2007, firearms used in crimes doubled...fricken doubled!

But America's gun grabbing nanny staters know what's best...THEIR plan for more gun laws will surely do the trick.

?

Actually, this is utter horseshit...

NationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United States

Murders committed by youths
UK - 139
US - 8,226

Murders with firearms
UK- 14
US- 9,369

Car thefts
UK -348,169
US -1,246,096

Well that's cute. Thanks for playing. Of course, your stats in no way demonstrate what happened to England's crime rate following the confiscation of privately owned firearms as my post did. Comparing raw numbers between countries is what we call a non sequiter. I could throw up murder rates in Honduras, which are even higher than the US...but that would be ridiculous because were talking about the CHANGE in crime rates before and after gun confiscations in the United Kingdom.

Now what were you saying about horseshit?

 

[Darkwind]

Will we even pretend to do anything to prevent the next mass shooting by a crazed loner? I doubt it. We'll just add Aurora to the growing list -- Columbine, Virginia Tech, Tucson -- and wait for the inevitable.

When that next atrocity comes, we'll tell each other we're shocked and stunned, knowing full well we should be neither. We'll probe the assailant's life in search of a motive, knowing full well we won't find one that makes any sense. We'll comfort the survivors and the victims' families and assure them their suffering will not be in vain.



Meanwhile, somewhere out there, another disturbed young man will be purchasing an assault rifle and making unspeakable plans.

I can only conclude that we, as a society, have decided this state of affairs is acceptable, that the occasional murderous rampage is the price we pay for ... for what? For freedom? For the Second Amendment? For campaign contributions from the National Rifle Association?

Forgive me if I sound cynical. I'm afraid I am. Five years ago, I arrived on the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, Va., just hours after student Seung Hui Cho's murderous rampage left 33 dead, including himself. I will never forget what it felt like -- the stunned disbelief, the white-hot anger, the unbearable sadness of so many young lives being extinguished for no reason, no higher purpose. No purpose at all.

I was there as a journalist, so I interviewed witnesses and survivors, took notes, wrote columns. But I was hardly an objective observer because I'm a father who has sent two sons off to college.

*************************

I don't own a gun and never have.

But this is disgusting.

We kill 180,000 people a year because of cigarettes and 19,000 people die because of drunk drivers.

Robins uses the deaths of youth in Colorado for one purpose, to stick his finger in the eye of the right.

I would not want anyone to shoot Eugene. Instead, I'd like the them to beat him black and blue with the stock (oops sorry...only blue).

Yep, he currently sits in the big chair at the White House, in a little oval room.

 

[whitehall]

Did anyone sob when the civilian bodyguard for the most notorious anti-gun senator,Teddy Kennedy, was arrested for trying to enter the Senate Office building with a couple of fully automatic weapons? The hypocrisy is obvious. It's the same old story. The liberal elite want personal protection but they would deny it to the riff-raff commoners.

 

[Listening]

Anyone else think that Robinson is a major hack ?

I certainly do.

He shows up on Rachael Maddow a great deal....no wonder almost nobody watches her that isn't related to her.

 

[JoeB131]

Well that's cute. Thanks for playing. Of course, your stats in no way demonstrate what happened to England's crime rate following the confiscation of privately owned firearms as my post did. Comparing raw numbers between countries is what we call a non sequiter. I could throw up murder rates in Honduras, which are even higher than the US...but that would be ridiculous because were talking about the CHANGE in crime rates before and after gun confiscations in the United Kingdom.

Now what were you saying about horseshit?

There was very little private gun ownership BEFORE they confiscated the few that were left, and the UK"s crime states are NOMINAL compared to ours.

14 Gun deaths compared to 9000? I'd take that any day of the week.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't own a gun and never have.

But this is disgusting.

We kill 180,000 people a year because of cigarettes and 19,000 people die because of drunk drivers.

Robins uses the deaths of youth in Colorado for one purpose, to stick his finger in the eye of the right.

I would not want anyone to shoot Eugene. Instead, I'd like the them to beat him black and blue with the stock (oops sorry...only blue).

Well, I guess he isn't "white and delightsome" since he suffers from the "curse of Cain".

Seriously, I missed this bit of racism when you first posted it, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I'm sorry, if there's ever a time to actually have a discussion about whether guns should be freely available to crazy people, it's after a crazy person goes out and shoots a bunch of people with a gun he never should have been able to get.

Take crazy people and criminals off the streets not legal guns.

 

[jillian]

This thread is about Robinson's willingness to use tragedy for political purposes.

You can argue all you want about gun control. But choosing a high emotion time to make your case is simply slimey.

And Robinson has always been a slimeball.

I'm sorry, if there's ever a time to actually have a discussion about whether guns should be freely available to crazy people, it's after a crazy person goes out and shoots a bunch of people with a gun he never should have been able to get.

no civilian needs an AK-47

but it's funny to see all of the "originalists" suddenly want to expand the constitution to protect something that didn't exist when the founders did their thing.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm sorry, if there's ever a time to actually have a discussion about whether guns should be freely available to crazy people, it's after a crazy person goes out and shoots a bunch of people with a gun he never should have been able to get.

Take crazy people and criminals off the streets not legal guns.

Two problems with that bit of stupidity.

First, if you even talk about an extensive mental health care program for the mentally ill, the right will scream "Whaaaaaaat! Socialism!!!!! Don't you know that we need that money for Stepford Ann's Polo Pony!!!!"

Second, we lock up more people than any country in the world, 2 million compared to less than 100,000 for most industrialized nations. Locking them up doesn't work.

 

[OODA_Loop]

no civilian needs an AK-47

but it's funny to see all of the "originalists" suddenly want to expand the constitution to protect something that didn't exist when the founders did their thing.

No civilian needs a computer to transmit child porn, terroristic plots or the sexual exploitation of women but suddenly want to expand the constitution to protect something that didn't exist when the founders did their thing.

 

[jillian]

no civilian needs an AK-47

but it's funny to see all of the "originalists" suddenly want to expand the constitution to protect something that didn't exist when the founders did their thing.

No civilian needs a computer to transmit child porn, terroristic plots or the sexual exploitation of women but suddenly want to expand the constitution to protect something that didn't exist when the founders did their thing.

thanks for the irrational response. appreciated.

let me know when you remember the part of the 2nd that talks about "a well-ordered militia"