Erskine Bowles - Ryan budget is “sensible honest, serious”

[Trajan]

wow, really? the Democratic Co-chair of the Deficit commission? Noooo way....

yes way....


snip from clip;

“Have any of you met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing, uh. I always thought that I was OK with arithmetic, but this guy can run circles around me. And, he is honest. He is straightforward. He is sincere.

And, the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit by $4 trillion…just like we did.

The President came out with his own plan and the President came out, as you will remember, with a budget and I don’t think anyone took that budget very seriously. Um, the Senate voted against it 97 to nothing. He, therefore, after a lot of pressure from folks like me, he came out with a new budget framework and, in the new budget framework, he cut the budget deficit by $4 trillion over 12 years. And, to be candid, this $4 trillion cut was very heavily back-end loaded. So, if you looked at it on a 10 year basis and compared apples-to-apples, it was about a $2.5 trillion cut.”

Erskine Bowles | 2011 Lambeth Lecture - YouTube!


in all seriousness, its worth watching, honest guy.


hat tip HotAir.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/13/video-erskine-bowles-says-ryan-budget-sensible-honest-serious/

 

[Darkwind]

He must have children and grandchildren....or wants grandchildren....

 

[SniperFire]

Imagine.... an Administration with real leadership!

 

[Trajan]

the video goes on, Bowles doesn't love everything Ryan wants to do and thats fine, but he agrees hes serious and its certainly worth hashing out, as Ryan has been with Democratic senator Ron Wyden.

 

[Jackson]

And persona non grata to the Democratic party!

 

[onecut39]

the video goes on, Bowles doesn't love everything Ryan wants to do and thats fine, but he agrees hes serious and its certainly worth hashing out, as Ryan has been with Democratic senator Ron Wyden.

Have you not heard? This is a non issue. Romney has specifically stated he is "not running on the Ryan Budget" That too he has tossed under the bus.

Makes you wonder why he picked Ryan. It begins to appear to be a sucker punch to the base.

Oh well, they have been being sucker punched for 50 years.

 

[candycorn]

thats fuking it, talk about shoving me into the abyss? Romneys out.....and I aint kidding. Hes as phony as Cater anyway....*shrugs*

If Ryan is serving a "phony" as VP...does it really matter?

 

[Ravi]

thats fuking it, talk about shoving me into the abyss? Romneys out.....and I aint kidding. Hes as phony as Cater anyway....*shrugs*

If Ryan is serving a "phony" as VP...does it really matter?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Of course it is... while Ryan acts like an adult and addresses issues.. team Obama runs around whining about contraceptives, Ann Romney's horse and some guy'ss wife dying from cancer.

They're toast.

 

[Katzndogz]

Of course it is... while Ryan acts like an adult and addresses issues.. team Obama runs around whining about contraceptives, Ann Romney's horse and some guy'ss wife dying from cancer.

They're toast.

obama is also running on the issue of taking the nation into all out socialism.

 

[Decus]

To all of you who said there is no such thing as an honest Democrat - I say Bowles

 

[Claudette]

Of course it is... while Ryan acts like an adult and addresses issues.. team Obama runs around whining about contraceptives, Ann Romney's horse and some guy'ss wife dying from cancer.

They're toast.

I just hope they are just that. Toast.

They will be throwing eveything, including the kitchen sink, at Romney and Ryan.

They sure don't want to talk about the economy, the debt, deficit or how entitlements are killing us.

Ryan is a good choice for VP. He sure beats Biden seven ways to Sunday.

 

[candycorn]

Of course it is... while Ryan acts like an adult and addresses issues.. team Obama runs around whining about contraceptives, Ann Romney's horse and some guy'ss wife dying from cancer.

They're toast.

I just hope they are just that. Toast.

They will be throwing eveything, including the kitchen sink, at Romney and Ryan.

They sure don't want to talk about the economy, the debt, deficit or how entitlements are killing us.

Ryan is a good choice for VP. He sure beats Biden seven ways to Sunday.

Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.

 

[Decus]

Of course it is... while Ryan acts like an adult and addresses issues.. team Obama runs around whining about contraceptives, Ann Romney's horse and some guy'ss wife dying from cancer.

They're toast.

I just hope they are just that. Toast.

They will be throwing eveything, including the kitchen sink, at Romney and Ryan.

They sure don't want to talk about the economy, the debt, deficit or how entitlements are killing us.

Ryan is a good choice for VP. He sure beats Biden seven ways to Sunday.

Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.

Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)

He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.

Why not deal with what Bowles said?

 

[Claudette]

Guess we'll find out in 3 months.

 

[candycorn]

I just hope they are just that. Toast.

They will be throwing eveything, including the kitchen sink, at Romney and Ryan.

They sure don't want to talk about the economy, the debt, deficit or how entitlements are killing us.

Ryan is a good choice for VP. He sure beats Biden seven ways to Sunday.

Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.

Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)

He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.

Why not deal with what Bowles said?

Bowels said the President wants to cut the deficit by 2 Trillion dollars. It doesn't fit into the Romney Narrative.

Bowels said Ryan wants to cut it by 4 Trillion. We know how he wants to get there as well...do away with entitlements as we know them.

Whether or not Ryan will get to do that by serving a "phony" is a matter of debate I suppose but do you really know where the Governor will be on any topic the next time he opens his mouth?

 

[Trajan]

thats fuking it, talk about shoving me into the abyss? Romneys out.....and I aint kidding. Hes as phony as Cater anyway....*shrugs*

If Ryan is serving a "phony" as VP...does it really matter?

it always matters. how many reps, or non dems have you voted for?

 

[Trajan]

Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.

Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)

He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.

Why not deal with what Bowles said?

Bowels said the President wants to cut the deficit by 2 Trillion dollars. It doesn't fit into the Romney Narrative.

Bowels said Ryan wants to cut it by 4 Trillion. We know how he wants to get there as well...do away with entitlements as we know them.

Whether or not Ryan will get to do that by serving a "phony" is a matter of debate I suppose but do you really know where the Governor will be on any topic the next time he opens his mouth?

a) the president said so himself but hes done exactly the reverse.

b) Medicare will not change for anyone over 55 whenever if ever that takes effect.

c) Romney is a flip flopper, no doubt, thats why I said it and I have said it since then too.

so, lets check your intellectual honesty- is obama a flip flopper?

 

[Decus]

Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.

Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)

He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.

Why not deal with what Bowles said?

Bowels said the President wants to cut the deficit by 2 Trillion dollars. It doesn't fit into the Romney Narrative.

Bowels said Ryan wants to cut it by 4 Trillion. We know how he wants to get there as well...do away with entitlements as we know them.

Whether or not Ryan will get to do that by serving a "phony" is a matter of debate I suppose but do you really know where the Governor will be on any topic the next time he opens his mouth?

You are not quoting Bowles words accurately. His words were:

“The President came out with his own plan and the President as you remember, came out with a budget and I don’t think anybody took that budget very seriously. The Senate voted against it 97 to nothing.

“He, therefore, after a lot of pressure from folks like me, he came out with a new budget framework and, in that new budget framework, he cut the budget deficit by $4 trillion over 12 years. And, to be candid, this $4 trillion cut was very heavily back-end loaded. So, if you looked at it on a 10 year basis and compared apples-to-apples, it really was about a two and a half trillion dollar cut.”

Obama was being less than straightforward in his use of numbers. Doesn't that bother you?

 

[BlindBoo]

I just hope they are just that. Toast.

They will be throwing eveything, including the kitchen sink, at Romney and Ryan.

They sure don't want to talk about the economy, the debt, deficit or how entitlements are killing us.

Ryan is a good choice for VP. He sure beats Biden seven ways to Sunday.

Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.

Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)

He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.

Why not deal with what Bowles said?

In fact, the video maker cut out the part of the speech where Bowles calls the Wisconsin congressman's 2011 plan for Medicare "pretty radical." (See below for a more complete audio.)

Republicans rather focus on these quotes in the clip: "I'm telling you, this guy is amazing," Bowles says of Ryan. "I always thought I was OK with arithmetic, this guy can run circles around me."

"The budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan," he continued. "It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget ..."

The whole speech is not posted, just clips, so it's hard to tell the complete context of Bowles words. Case in point: later in the speech, Bowles went point-by-point comparing the plan drafted by the deficit commission he co-chaired to Ryan's proposal.

What's cut from the video is Bowles discussion of making Medicare a defined contribution plan, instead of a defined benefit plan. "We thought that was a pretty radical change," Bowles said. "And what we said is lets test it in the federal employees health care plan and see if it works. What we would rather do is we cut spending in the health care programs by about $450 billion. And our hope was ... we wouldn't have to do something more drastic like Paul had recommended or a something more drastic like a single payer plan."

Listen to all Bowles thoughts on Ryan's plan here. And get the audio of Bowles' full speech

Read more here: Updated: Bowles once praised Paul Ryan, but called Medicare changes 'pretty radical' | newsobserver.com projects