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Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.
Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)
He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.
Why not deal with what Bowles said?
In fact, the video maker cut out the part of the speech where Bowles calls the Wisconsin congressman's 2011 plan for Medicare "pretty radical." (See below for a more complete audio.)
Republicans rather focus on these quotes in the clip: "I'm telling you, this guy is amazing," Bowles says of Ryan. "I always thought I was OK with arithmetic, this guy can run circles around me."
"The budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan," he continued. "It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget ..."
The whole speech is not posted, just clips, so it's hard to tell the complete context of Bowles words. Case in point: later in the speech, Bowles went point-by-point comparing the plan drafted by the deficit commission he co-chaired to Ryan's proposal.
What's cut from the video is Bowles discussion of making Medicare a defined contribution plan, instead of a defined benefit plan. "We thought that was a pretty radical change," Bowles said. "And what we said is lets test it in the federal employees health care plan and see if it works. What we would rather do is we cut spending in the health care programs by about $450 billion. And our hope was ... we wouldn't have to do something more drastic like Paul had recommended or a something more drastic like a single payer plan."
Listen to all Bowles thoughts on Ryan's plan here. And get the audio of Bowles' full speech
Read more here: Updated: Bowles once praised Paul Ryan, but called Medicare changes 'pretty radical' | newsobserver.com projects
Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)
He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.
Why not deal with what Bowles said?
Bowels said the President wants to cut the deficit by 2 Trillion dollars. It doesn't fit into the Romney Narrative.
Bowels said Ryan wants to cut it by 4 Trillion. We know how he wants to get there as well...do away with entitlements as we know them.
Whether or not Ryan will get to do that by serving a "phony" is a matter of debate I suppose but do you really know where the Governor will be on any topic the next time he opens his mouth?
a) the president said so himself but hes done exactly the reverse.
b) Medicare will not change for anyone over 55 whenever if ever that takes effect.
c) Romney is a flip flopper, no doubt, thats why I said it and I have said it since then too.
so, lets check your intellectual honesty- is obama a flip flopper?
Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.
Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)
He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.
Why not deal with what Bowles said?
Bowels said the President wants to cut the deficit by 2 Trillion dollars. It doesn't fit into the Romney Narrative.
Bowels said Ryan wants to cut it by 4 Trillion. We know how he wants to get there as well...do away with entitlements as we know them.
Whether or not Ryan will get to do that by serving a "phony" is a matter of debate I suppose but do you really know where the Governor will be on any topic the next time he opens his mouth?
Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.
Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)
He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.
Why not deal with what Bowles said?
In fact, the video maker cut out the part of the speech where Bowles calls the Wisconsin congressman's 2011 plan for Medicare "pretty radical." (See below for a more complete audio.)
Republicans rather focus on these quotes in the clip: "I'm telling you, this guy is amazing," Bowles says of Ryan. "I always thought I was OK with arithmetic, this guy can run circles around me."
"The budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan," he continued. "It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget ..."
The whole speech is not posted, just clips, so it's hard to tell the complete context of Bowles words. Case in point: later in the speech, Bowles went point-by-point comparing the plan drafted by the deficit commission he co-chaired to Ryan's proposal.
What's cut from the video is Bowles discussion of making Medicare a defined contribution plan, instead of a defined benefit plan. "We thought that was a pretty radical change," Bowles said. "And what we said is lets test it in the federal employees health care plan and see if it works. What we would rather do is we cut spending in the health care programs by about $450 billion. And our hope was ... we wouldn't have to do something more drastic like Paul had recommended or a something more drastic like a single payer plan."
Listen to all Bowles thoughts on Ryan's plan here. And get the audio of Bowles' full speech
Read more here: Updated: Bowles once praised Paul Ryan, but called Medicare changes 'pretty radical' | newsobserver.com projects
The CBO says the Pub plan for Medicare WOULD affect EVEN the "uneffected"...
Trajan...the author of the OP, calls Romney a "phony". Ryan's place on the ticket is inconsequential as a result.
Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)
He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.
Why not deal with what Bowles said?
In fact, the video maker cut out the part of the speech where Bowles calls the Wisconsin congressman's 2011 plan for Medicare "pretty radical." (See below for a more complete audio.)
Republicans rather focus on these quotes in the clip: "I'm telling you, this guy is amazing," Bowles says of Ryan. "I always thought I was OK with arithmetic, this guy can run circles around me."
"The budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan," he continued. "It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget ..."
The whole speech is not posted, just clips, so it's hard to tell the complete context of Bowles words. Case in point: later in the speech, Bowles went point-by-point comparing the plan drafted by the deficit commission he co-chaired to Ryan's proposal.
What's cut from the video is Bowles discussion of making Medicare a defined contribution plan, instead of a defined benefit plan. "We thought that was a pretty radical change," Bowles said. "And what we said is lets test it in the federal employees health care plan and see if it works. What we would rather do is we cut spending in the health care programs by about $450 billion. And our hope was ... we wouldn't have to do something more drastic like Paul had recommended or a something more drastic like a single payer plan."
Listen to all Bowles thoughts on Ryan's plan here. And get the audio of Bowles' full speech
Read more here: Updated: Bowles once praised Paul Ryan, but called Medicare changes 'pretty radical' | newsobserver.com projects
the video goes on, Bowles doesn't love everything Ryan wants to do and thats fine, but he agrees hes serious and its certainly worth hashing out, as Ryan has been with Democratic senator Ron Wyden.
Have you not heard? This is a non issue. Romney has specifically stated he is "not running on the Ryan Budget" That too he has tossed under the bus.
Makes you wonder why he picked Ryan. It begins to appear to be a sucker punch to the base.
Oh well, they have been being sucker punched for 50 years.
Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)
He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.
Why not deal with what Bowles said?
In fact, the video maker cut out the part of the speech where Bowles calls the Wisconsin congressman's 2011 plan for Medicare "pretty radical." (See below for a more complete audio.)
Republicans rather focus on these quotes in the clip: "I'm telling you, this guy is amazing," Bowles says of Ryan. "I always thought I was OK with arithmetic, this guy can run circles around me."
"The budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan," he continued. "It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget ..."
The whole speech is not posted, just clips, so it's hard to tell the complete context of Bowles words. Case in point: later in the speech, Bowles went point-by-point comparing the plan drafted by the deficit commission he co-chaired to Ryan's proposal.
What's cut from the video is Bowles discussion of making Medicare a defined contribution plan, instead of a defined benefit plan. "We thought that was a pretty radical change," Bowles said. "And what we said is lets test it in the federal employees health care plan and see if it works. What we would rather do is we cut spending in the health care programs by about $450 billion. And our hope was ... we wouldn't have to do something more drastic like Paul had recommended or a something more drastic like a single payer plan."
Listen to all Bowles thoughts on Ryan's plan here. And get the audio of Bowles' full speech
Read more here: Updated: Bowles once praised Paul Ryan, but called Medicare changes 'pretty radical' | newsobserver.com projects
The entire speech is in the OP. Bowles begins talking about the three budgets at about 35:30. He begins with Ryan's plan, contrasts it with his plan, and then closes with Obama's plan. That ends around 41:00.
Bowles said that if cutting spending by $450 billion, which means cutting benefits, in the federal employee healthcare system didn't work by lowering health care cost growth by GDP plus one percent, then they would have to give serious consideration to Ryan's plan.
He also states that Ryan's block grant Medicaid plan is being tested in some states, and is successful. Other states are now asking to participate.
He also states no one took Obama's plan seriously.
Obama's "heavily back-end loaded" plan is typical of Obama. Obama is putting the heavy costs of his social programs well into the future, long after he has departed the scene and laughing his ass off on the golf course. He will need heavy Secret Service protection in his retirement when the bills come due to the taxpayers.
Obama's plan is an unmitigated disaster.
Obama's "heavily back-end loaded" plan is typical of Obama. Obama is putting the heavy costs of his social programs well into the future, long after he has departed the scene and laughing his ass off on the golf course. He will need heavy Secret Service protection in his retirement when the bills come due to the taxpayers.
thats fuking it, talk about shoving me into the abyss? Romneys out.....and I aint kidding. Hes as phony as Cater anyway....*shrugs*
If Ryan is serving a "phony" as VP...does it really matter?
it always matters. how many reps, or non dems have you voted for?
Did you know that as Clinton's Chief of Staff: "One of Bowles's major responsibilities was dealing with federal budget negotiations between the White House and Congress."? (from wiki)
He was also co-chair of President Barack Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. What is interesting is that he was chosen by Obama to review options and propose ways to reel-in our troublesome debt and deficit spending. His conclusion seems to be that Obama is kicking the can down the road, and that Ryan is trying to do the right thing...and doing it very well.
Why not deal with what Bowles said?
Bowels said the President wants to cut the deficit by 2 Trillion dollars. It doesn't fit into the Romney Narrative.
Bowels said Ryan wants to cut it by 4 Trillion. We know how he wants to get there as well...do away with entitlements as we know them.
Whether or not Ryan will get to do that by serving a "phony" is a matter of debate I suppose but do you really know where the Governor will be on any topic the next time he opens his mouth?
a) the president said so himself but hes done exactly the reverse.
b) Medicare will not change for anyone over 55 whenever if ever that takes effect.
c) Romney is a flip flopper, no doubt, thats why I said it and I have said it since then too.
so, lets check your intellectual honesty- is obama a flip flopper?
If Ryan is serving a "phony" as VP...does it really matter?
it always matters. how many reps, or non dems have you voted for?
So you're voting for Romney...whom you called a "phony"?
Bowels said the President wants to cut the deficit by 2 Trillion dollars. It doesn't fit into the Romney Narrative.
Bowels said Ryan wants to cut it by 4 Trillion. We know how he wants to get there as well...do away with entitlements as we know them.
Whether or not Ryan will get to do that by serving a "phony" is a matter of debate I suppose but do you really know where the Governor will be on any topic the next time he opens his mouth?
a) the president said so himself but hes done exactly the reverse.
b) Medicare will not change for anyone over 55 whenever if ever that takes effect.
c) Romney is a flip flopper, no doubt, thats why I said it and I have said it since then too.
so, lets check your intellectual honesty- is obama a flip flopper?
a) Yes..and you trust the "phony" to deliver? Ahh..I see.
I would use the term "liar" on some topics to describe the President; not "flip flopper". A flip-flopper tells you what you want to hear. The President has just flushed past statements down the toilet. Where it was politically expedient, he's definitely shaved the truth--as I have said so in the past. See his pledge to use public money only in 2008.
When he has lied; it was injurous to his own side more than it was to garner support from the other however. It wasn't for political expediency; more for pragmatic deals.
The CBO says the Pub plan for Medicare WOULD affect EVEN the "uneffected"...
how about a link there big boy!
a) the president said so himself but hes done exactly the reverse.
b) Medicare will not change for anyone over 55 whenever if ever that takes effect.
c) Romney is a flip flopper, no doubt, thats why I said it and I have said it since then too.
so, lets check your intellectual honesty- is obama a flip flopper?
a) Yes..and you trust the "phony" to deliver? Ahh..I see.
I would use the term "liar" on some topics to describe the President; not "flip flopper". A flip-flopper tells you what you want to hear. The President has just flushed past statements down the toilet. Where it was politically expedient, he's definitely shaved the truth--as I have said so in the past. See his pledge to use public money only in 2008.
When he has lied; it was injurous to his own side more than it was to garner support from the other however. It wasn't for political expediency; more for pragmatic deals.
I would trust ryan, I am not sure of Romney...you want me to say it 10 more times? you seem to respond logically minus insults, so lets have a civil discussion and please stop putting words in my mouth.
so, is Romney a flip flopper or liar?
You just did it again.......wtf?
