Environmental Stuff & Fluff

[Old Rocks]

There is only one thing that separates Scott Pruitt from the others. Pruitt is the only nominee that can directly take money away from environmental parasites.

Scott Pruitt will be defeated by a whole lot of zeroes:

Governments are spending big, billions at a time. And doesn’t everyone feel the increasing costs of energy and products?

But a new estimate about what it will cost the world’s citizens to reduce the world’s temperature by the end of the century by a “grand total of three tenths of one degree” is a stunner: $100 trillion.

That’s $100,000,000,000,000.00.​

Climate-change-fight cost: $100,000,000,000,000
Posted By Bob Unruh On 01/17/2017 @ 9:11 pm

Climate-change-fight cost: $100,000,000,000,000​

Bjørn Lomborg
Credentials

• Ph.D., Department of Political Science, University of Copenhagen (1994).
• M.A., political science (1991).

Bjørn Lomborg

Were I to quote a Poly-sci graduate on climate science on this board, you would all be laughing your heads off, justifiably. However, you feel free to do that for your side. LOL

 

[Flanders]

Were I to quote a Poly-sci graduate on climate science on this board, you would all be laughing your heads off,

To Old Rocks: You should be laughed at for your unceasing stupidity in every forum —— the Environment forum most of all.

The environmental movement is about parasite politics. Every EPA administrator was appointed to promote the United Nations agenda:

The EPA spends billions of dollars for the sole purpose of hiding its loyalty to the United Nations. Notice that the EPA has acquired the authority to settle lawsuits far beyond the original environmental scam —— enforcing the Clean Air Act:​

The EPA Stashes BILLIONS In Slush Fund-Like Accounts
Ethan Barton
10:40 PM 04/29/2016

The EPA Stashes BILLIONS In Slush Fund-Like Accounts​

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The EPA “enforces” the Clean Air Act. As far as I know that was the first time a bureaucracy told Americans what to do. The Affordable Care Act is following in the EPA’s footsteps.

Prior to the EPA/Clean Air Act a suspected lawbreaker was arrested and given a day in court. The EPA circumvented the system. The EPA can fine, tax, shutdown, control an individual’s private property and so on. Former EPA administrator, Lisa Jackson, actually claimed taxing authority.​

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The entire environmental movement is a fraud being perpetrated by hustlers after tax dollars, and the United Nations with a political agenda; i.e., claiming authority over the atmosphere and oceans in order to gain the authority to tax the American people. Notice the EPA, a de facto United Nations Agency, is slowly acquiring authority over private property and America’s fresh water resources which have not a damn thing to do with enforcing the Clean Air Act.​

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Instead of giving billions to sharpshooters, put tax dollars into scrubber technology if it is about clean air. After all, the EPA was created to enforce the Clean Air Act. Remember the acid rain scare tactics? Bottom line: Environmental parasites and hustlers saw clean air as a losing issue because the problem is easily solved; so they hit upon global warming/manmade climate change, and the latest “climate disruption.”​

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No reporter will ever challenge clowns like Al Gore, or John Kerry, or a president, when they lie about the environment. For all political purposes the EPA is a United Nations agency enforcing the Clean Air Act for the United Nations; so Podesta is actually saying that Congress cannot stop the United Nations.​

Podesta: Congress Can’t Stop Obama On Global Warming
4:24 PM 05/05/2014
Michael Bastasch

Podesta: Congress Can’t Stop Obama On Global Warming​

Scott Pruitt Is Pissing Into The Wind​

In any event Bjorn Lomborg is infinitely more qualified to discuss science than is douche bag Gina McCarthy and all of her predecessors. Note that McCarthy is even dumber than you:

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[Old Rocks]

The utilities are going to have a say in that.

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind
Emerging markets are leapfrogging the developed world thanks to cheap panels.
by
Tom Randall
December 14, 2016, 10:00 PM PST December 14, 2016, 10:04 PM PST
A transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.

This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially competitive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The chart below shows the average cost of new wind and solar from 58 emerging-market economies, including China, India, and Brazil. While solar was bound to fall below wind eventually, given its steeper price declines, few predicted it would happen this soon.

“Solar investment has gone from nothing—literally nothing—like five years ago to quite a lot,” said Ethan Zindler, head of U.S. policy analysis at BNEF. “A huge part of this story is China, which has been rapidly deploying solar” and helping other countries finance their own projects.

Half the Price of Coal
This year has seen a remarkable run for solar power. Auctions, where private companies compete for massive contracts to provide electricity, established record after record for cheap solar power. It started with a contract in January to produce electricity for $64 per megawatt-hour in India; then a deal in August pegging $29.10 per megawatt hour in Chile. That’s record-cheap electricity—roughly half the price of competing coal power.

 

[Old Rocks]

Another point, what you are saying is that there is a vast conspiracy among scientists to lie about climate and energy. Scientists from all nations and cultures. Not only pervasive, but so effective that nobody is squealing on them. Methinks your little tin hat is a bit too tight. Cutting off the circulation to your brain.

 

[Flanders]

what you are saying is that there is a vast conspiracy among scientists to lie about climate and energy.

To Old Rocks: When will you say something that is true? A large group of scientists are after tax dollars. “Scientific consensus” is their best-known lie. Because the United Nations is the driving force behind their lies they sidestep the charge of criminal conspiracy:

conspiracy (noun)
plural conspiracies

1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

2. A group of conspirators.

3. Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

conspiracy theory (noun)

A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.

conspiracy theorist (noun)​

On the other hand, you and your kind repeatedly cite pseudo-scientists as though they prove your nonsense, but you never mention the parasites in higher education, and in alternative energy corporations, who conspire to “legally” pocket vast amounts of tax dollars.

 

[Old Rocks]

Flanders, you are a lying idiot. First of all, you posit a vast conspiracy among many nations and cultures. One so good that no one has come forth with any information on it. LOL

Scientific consensus. OK, go ahead and find me a Scientific Society that states that AGW is not real. Even one from Outer Slobovia.

Pseudo scientists? You mean scientists with doctorates in this field of study, and decades of research under their belt. Yes, that is what you mean. Anyone that really does real science is a fraud in your book because they do not come to your predetermined conclusions. What is a fraud is someone like you pretending that they have an expertise in any branch of science.

 

[Flanders]

Flanders, you are a lying idiot. First of all, you posit a vast conspiracy among many nations and cultures. One so good that no one has come forth with any information on it. LOL

Scientific consensus. OK, go ahead and find me a Scientific Society that states that AGW is not real. Even one from Outer Slobovia.

Pseudo scientists? You mean scientists with doctorates in this field of study, and decades of research under their belt. Yes, that is what you mean. Anyone that really does real science is a fraud in your book because they do not come to your predetermined conclusions. What is a fraud is someone like you pretending that they have an expertise in any branch of science.

To Old Rocks: Stop dumping your sewage in my threads:

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[Old Rocks]

Flanders, you are a stupid ass. Why would you start a thread if you did not expect replies? Simply pointing out that anyone replying to your threads need to bring a shovel for the BS. AGW is the accepted reason for the increase in temperatures that we are seeing worldwide. Only the political right of the US says otherwise. Even in other countries that have a conservative government they know that their scientists are not lying to them. What fools people like you are.

 

[Flanders]

Why would you start a thread if you did not expect replies?

To Old Rocks: I cannot stop assholes from spouting parasite talking points in my threads.

To Old Rocks: You should know by now that I do not post my messages for your kind. I would have a better chance of convincing used car salesmen to stop lying than it is to expect dimwits who believe “truth” from parasitic scientists lusting after tax dollars. Just to be clear. Not every scientist is a tax dollar parasite.

You really are a sick man. You defend designer-science lies by attacking me. You must really believe that a few words from you will change the minds of anyone who knows better; whereas, I would not waste my time trying to convince the suckers that manmade climate change is a fraud. In short: There is a sucker born every minute and two to take him. That’s why there is never a shortage of suckers who believe everything they are told by hustlers.

Trust A Liar At Your Own Peril​

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL I love to post messages for your kind. Intolerant willfully ignorant assholes that think opinion is equal to science. Note that when I post, most of the time I include links to real scientists and their papers. All you do is flap yap, and post garbage from non-scientists.

Also, there are other people that do not know the reality of what is happening with AGW, and I post so idiots like you are not the only voice they hear.

 

[Flanders]

LOL I love to post messages for your kind. Intolerant willfully ignorant assholes that think opinion is equal to science. Note that when I post, most of the time I include links to real scientists and their papers. All you do is flap yap, and post garbage from non-scientists.

Also, there are other people that do not know the reality of what is happening with AGW, and I post so idiots like you are not the only voice they hear.

To Old Rocks: Before you mouth off with the same parasite talking points read these threads AGAIN:

Gina Can Do It

Massive Grants Causes Global Warming

Putin Wins Another One!

How Much For One Peanut?

Hillary Will Give Them The Tree

How Can I Become A Refugee!

Profit v. Grand Larceny

The Public Trough Is Stronger Than God

The Coal Fraud

Trump Invites The Clown Over For A Chat

Scott Pruitt Is Pissing Into The Wind

Fuel or Fraud?

Better Late Than Never

E J Means Higher Prices

One More Parasitic Industry

Temperature Tyrants

How to Lose One’s Head

The Environmental Movement Is The Color Of Money

Rick Perry’s Enemies List

High Court Missionaries

Idiots, Crooks, & Bedbugs

International Parasite Agreement

Boehner and McConnell Are the Problem

Zero In On The United Nations

The Unconstitutional Apple Is Full Of Worms

Justifying A Government Religion

Ranking The Parasites

Trust A Liar At Your Own Peril

Shoes & A Camel

Selling The Same Lie

 

[Old Rocks]

There is no ban on using DDT on malarial mosquitoes in Africa. And the rest of your whole spiel is a lie.

Malaria, Mosquitoes, and DDT | Worldwatch Institute

DDT is no longer used or manufactured in most of the world, but because it does not break down readily, it is still one of the most commonly detected pesticides in the milk of nursing mothers. DDT is also one of the "dirty dozen" chemicals included in the 2001 Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants. The signatories to the "POPs Treaty" essentially agreed to ban all uses of DDT except as a last resort against disease-bearing mosquitoes. Unfortunately, however, DDT is still a routine option in 19 countries, most of them in Africa. (Only 11 of these countries have thus far signed the treaty.) Among the signatory countries, 31-slightly fewer than one-third-have given notice that they are reserving the right to use DDT against malaria. On the face of it, such use may seem unavoidable, but there are good reasons for thinking that progress against the disease is compatible with reductions in DDT use.

And then there is the effect of DDT on birds, particularly raptors.

 

[Old Rocks]

So that fucking dumb ass Cruz believes that he is a expert on climate. What science does the asshole have a degree in? Just another politician swinging on the dick of the fossil fuel companies.

 

[Old Rocks]

You consider Putin to be an expert, someone to be believed. Oh yes, that right, you rightwingnutjobs have decided toe line up to kiss Putin's ass and give the Russian Bear whatever it wants. You are treasonous bastards, one and all.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, dumb fuck, solar and wind are hardly expensive for generating electricity.

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind

World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper Than Wind
Emerging markets are leapfrogging the developed world thanks to cheap panels.
by
Tom Randall
December 14, 2016, 10:00 PM PST December 14, 2016, 10:04 PM PST
A transformation is happening in global energy markets that’s worth noting as 2016 comes to an end: Solar power, for the first time, is becoming the cheapest form of new electricity.

This has happened in isolated projects in the past: an especially competitive auction in the Middle East, for example, resulting in record-cheap solar costs. But now unsubsidized solar is beginning to outcompete coal and natural gas on a larger scale, and notably, new solar projects in emerging markets are costing less to build than wind projects, according to fresh data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The chart below shows the average cost of new wind and solar from 58 emerging-market economies, including China, India, and Brazil. While solar was bound to fall below wind eventually, given its steeper price declines, few predicted it would happen this soon.1

“Solar investment has gone from nothing—literally nothing—like five years ago to quite a lot,” said Ethan Zindler, head of U.S. policy analysis at BNEF. “A huge part of this story is China, which has been rapidly deploying solar” and helping other countries finance their own projects.

Half the Price of Coal
This year has seen a remarkable run for solar power. Auctions, where private companies compete for massive contracts to provide electricity, established record after record for cheap solar power. It started with a contract in January to produce electricity for $64 per megawatt-hour in India; then a deal in August pegging $29.10 per megawatt hour in Chile. That’s record-cheap electricity—roughly half the price of competing coal power.

“Renewables are robustly entering the era of undercutting” fossil fuel prices, BNEF chairman Michael Liebreich said in a note to clients this week.

 

[Old Rocks]

In 2011, solar panel company Solyndra defaulted on a $535 million loan guaranteed by the Department of Energy. The agency had a few other high-profile bankruptcies, too — electric car company Fisker and solar company Abound among them. But now that loan program has started turning a profit.

Overall, the agency has loaned $34.2 billion to a variety of businesses, under a program designed to speed up development of clean-energy technology. Companies have defaulted on $780 million of that — a loss rate of 2.28 percent. The agency also has collected $810 million in interest payments, putting the program $30 million in the black.

When Congress created the loan program under the Energy Policy Act of 2005, it was never designed to be a moneymaker. In fact, Congress imagined there would be losses and set aside $10 billion to cover them.

After Solyndra Loss, U.S. Energy Loan Program Turning A Profit

So, in spite of Solyndra, the Department of Energy has actually turned a profit. And helped create solar panels that can deliver electricity even cheaper than can dirty coal. Flanders, you are such a liar on every subject you turn to.

 

[Old Rocks]

You are already a refugee, running from reality. And Michelle Malkin is hardly someone considered a credible choice.

 

[Old Rocks]

Exxon is guilty of marketing lies to protect their business. Tillerson is one of the few people I would enjoy seeing hung.

ExxonMobil: New Disclosures Show Oil Giant Still Funding Climate Science Denial Groups

ExxonMobil and the climate science denial machinery that it has helped to build over the years are now under more scrutiny than ever before.

At its most recent AGM, the oil and gas giant faced a barrage of questions and resolutions over its position on climate change. Then there is the not insignificant matter of investigations by a group of attorneys general that allege the company lied about its knowledge of the risks of burning fossil fuels. ExxonMobil is retaliating.

The company has pleaded innocence, with CEO Rex Tillerson telling the company’s shareholders that his views on climate science were perfectly in line with the United Nations.

But the latest disclosures on donations by ExxonMobil, reported publicly here for the first time, show it continues to support organisations that claim greenhouse gases are not causing climate change, or that cuts to emissions are a waste of time and money.

Organisations including the American Enterprise Institute, the American Legislative Exchange Council and the National Black Chamber of Commerce — all organisations with a record of misinformation on climate science — all received grants in 2015 from ExxonMobil. The 2015 tally brings the total amount of known Exxon funding to denial groups north of $33 million since 1998.

Since 1997, ExxonMobil has been releasing reports annually listing donations to public policy groups — several of which were engaged in a public misinformation campaign on climate change science.

 

[skookerasbil]

ps......to the curious on the issue of costs...........coal vs solar. Ive already laid out the stark bottom line with supportive links which decimate solar on the facts. Supporters of solar leave out some of the rater important "costs" of solar. But people can decide on their own.

But something to ponder...........

If solar is so cheap vs coal, why is China opening 2-3 new coal plants every month!! Every month...........and increasing their production by........ready for this............50% by the year 2050!! ( links within this thread ). Even Obama's Energy Information Agency agreed!! Guess those Chinese must be pretty fucking stoopid.



Oh......... and why is solar power projected to only provide America with 4% of its electricity from solar by 2040?!

 

[Old Rocks]

China continues to lead the world in solar-power installations and is expected to increase its capacity by more than 7 gigawatts (GW), or 7 billion watts, over last year, according to a new report.

Last year, China installed 15.13GW of new solar photovoltaic (PV) capacity, reaching a cumulative solar capacity of 43.48GW, according to research firm GlobalData.

This year, China's cumulative capacity has already surpassed 50.3GW. The country's PV installed capacity has increased around 15-fold since 2011 when it had 3.30GW of installed solar capacity.

In the first quarter of 2016, China added a total of 7.14GW of solar capacity, of which 6.17GW accounted for solar PV power plants, and 970 megawatts (MW) for distributed PV installations, such as rooftop panels.


13th Five Year Plan (FYP) sets a 2020 solar PV target at 150GW to 200GW, and aims to shift focus from grid-scale expansion toward quality and efficiency. The FYP also intends to attain a non-fossil fuel renewable energy consumption of around 15% by 2020 and 20% by 2030, Mathur said in an email reply to Computerworld.

China leads the world in solar power installations

Those are China's near term plans.